Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

Led's Zeppelin · Feb 23, 2018

SpursDave88 said:
Interested to hear your thoughts...

I’ve added them to the post in an edit.

I know that the club, like all clubs, manipulate the press to an extent but the idea that they need an excuse for not playing a player who is determined to move, or that anyone thinks it’s a good idea to force things at this stage of his comeback, is plainly mistaken and in my opinion is quite a naive view of what goes on inside football clubs.

Time will tell.

Hazelton · Feb 23, 2018

Fuck sake, I'm gutted if true.

Just make sure it's not to another English team, please.

CowInAComa · Feb 23, 2018

Sell him abroad in the summer and fine, whatever. Cheers, bye and all that.

But not to one of our premier league rivals .

tiger666 · Feb 23, 2018

CowInAComa said:
Sell him abroad in the summer and fine, whatever. Cheers, bye and all that.

But not to one of our premier league rivals .

What if he doesn't want to go abroad?

Lilbaz · Feb 23, 2018

CowInAComa said:
Sell him abroad in the summer and fine, whatever. Cheers, bye and all that.

But not to one of our premier league rivals .

Only 3 teams in europe that can afford him.

CowInAComa · Feb 23, 2018

Lilbaz said:
Only 3 teams in europe that can afford him.

Sorry my bad . thought we were talking about toby alderwerield not neymar.

CowInAComa · Feb 23, 2018

tiger666 said:
What if he doesn't want to go abroad?

He is already abroad.

thinktank · Feb 23, 2018

If Toby wants to stay he'll find a way to reign in his mad hatter agent, surely?

If he let's him run wild with bonkers release clause demands that no one would agree to, then you have to assume he wants to go and we should sell move on.

If you want to be here, be here; if you want to go, go.

The fans are the club; the club is bigger than any player.

I don't want a player here who's not all-in.

coys200 · Feb 23, 2018

Barca don’t need a CB they just bought that massive Colombian guy. Madrid maybe,but they have more pressing needs. Then who in PL? It’s really only Liverpool and united. Can’t see Liverpool and what if United finish 5th. His options aren’t as plentiful as many think.

CowInAComa · Feb 23, 2018

He's not even in the top 2 Belgians at our club.

Led's Zeppelin · Feb 23, 2018

thinktank said:
If Toby wants to stay he'll find a way to reign in his mad hatter agent, surely?

If he let's him run wild with bonkers release clause demands that no one would agree to, then you have to assume he wants to go and we should sell move on.

If you want to be here, be here; if you want to go, go.

The fans are the club; the club is bigger than any player.

I don't want a player here who's not all-in.

I agree.

However, I don’t believe the stories in the press and most of the conclusions people are drawing from them.

Lilbaz · Feb 23, 2018

CowInAComa said:
Sorry my bad . thought we were talking about toby alderwerield not neymar.

As i have said he is asking for more than bayern pay lewandowski (their top earner).
Also more than juventus pay any of their stars including higuain and dybala.

mpickard2087 · Feb 23, 2018

People who are going 'FFS why don't we stop being so tight and just pay him 150k' are completely missing the point. He's obviously being tempted by clubs above us in the pecking order, both on a football and financial level. They will be in his and his agents ear and just offering a blank cheque + the trophies. We go to 150k, they will just offer 180 or 200k. We wont win in that scenario.

We have to bank on a player being happy here with his day to day life, so forgoing a bit of financial reward, and feel the timeframe for the clubs ambition matches his. Each year some we will keep, but inevitably some we will lose. Especially when the core of the squad really aren't that young anymore.

As for Alderweireld the player, well my thoughts are well documented over the last year or so. I think people saying he is the best centre back in the league are making lazy claims based on a couple of years ago. Time's moved on since then... In his first season and up until that leg injury he got those claims were accurate, he was some distance for me ahead of others, in imperious form. However he hasn't reached those heights since in the last year... He's lost a bit of mobility, he's a little more tentative, there are more little errors that happen, and he seems to be more injury prone given the number of times he has a muscle problem etc in games (culminating in the major injury recently). Vertonghen has overtaken whilst he has slipped back a bit. That's not to say he isn't still a very good centre back, and it would be a blow to lose him, but he's been on a slight downward trajectory in the last year, and no evidence currently he's on his way back up to the summit.

Pellshek · Feb 23, 2018

WalkerboyUK said:
As @spursfan77 said, £150k per week is the best part of £40 million over the next 5 years.

I don't think this is the right calculation.

I think the right calculation is the difference between £110k pw, which we're prepared to offer, and £150k pw, which is what he wants. That's about £2m pa, which is £6m - £8m difference over a 3 or 4 year contract extension. In this day and age, that's peanuts money spread over several years.

In addition, I think the idea we'd get £80m for him, as some have said, is wishful thinking. He's 29 in March, and 3 years older than VvD. Feels more like a £50m deal to me at best, and we'd probably spend most of that on a replacement.

I think Levy is amazing, but I think selling would be a big mistake (assuming Poch wants him of course). The best case scenario is that we break even on selling and replacing him, end up paying much the same in wages, but end up with a player who's 3 or 4 years younger. Meh. I'm really not sure that's such a great deal versus getting 3 or 4 more years of service out of Toby.

srups34 · Feb 23, 2018

nicdic said:
BEN on FTL saying that it's not down to wages either. The issue is the agent. The agent is getting on everyone's bad side, insisting on a set release clause that is out of line.

Agent or no agent, Toby surely has the final say?

SpursDave88 · Feb 23, 2018

This mumble about agents is always nonsense. We had the same rubbish of people blaming berbatovs agent and bale's. The players instructs the agent, not the other way round.

Streetspur77 · Feb 23, 2018

SpursDave88 said:
This mumble about agents is always nonsense. We had the same rubbish of people blaming berbatovs agent and bale's. The players instructs the agent, not the other way round.

Ok? All that means is that Toby is the **** rather then his agent

TBH we should've always known, anyone with that hair is a certified prick

WalkerboyUK · Feb 23, 2018

Pellshek said:
I don't think this is the right calculation.

I think the right calculation is the difference between £110k pw, which we're prepared to offer, and £150k pw, which is what he wants. That's about £2m pa, which is £6m - £8m difference over a 3 or 4 year contract extension. In this day and age, that's peanuts money spread over several years.

In addition, I think the idea we'd get £80m for him, as some have said, is wishful thinking. He's 29 in March, and 3 years older than VvD. Feels more like a £50m deal to me at best, and we'd probably spend most of that on a replacement.

I think Levy is amazing, but I think selling would be a big mistake (assuming Poch wants him of course). The best case scenario is that we break even on selling and replacing him, end up paying much the same in wages, but end up with a player who's 3 or 4 years younger. Meh. I'm really not sure that's such a great deal versus getting 3 or 4 more years of service out of Toby.

I'm not even sure we would do that - we already bought the replacement(s) last summer. All depends if the plan is to go back to playing 3 at the back, in which case we would need someone else in.

WalkerboyUK · Feb 23, 2018

Lilbaz said:
As i have said he is asking for more than bayern pay lewandowski (their top earner).
Also more than juventus pay any of their stars including higuain and dybala.

That's what the influx of TV money has done to the PL.
Lesser players on bigger wages in England, better players on lower wages (and transfer fees) in other countries.

archiewasking · Feb 23, 2018

CowInAComa said:
He's not even in the top 2 Belgians at our club.

Sissoko is French.

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