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Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

Lou3000

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It's not that straightforward though. You'll be dealing with a potentially unhappy, unmotivated player who believes his employer is underpaying him. And at the end of next season we'll have no power over who he signs for, so if he wants to keep his family London, for example, he signs for Scum or Scummer. Which would not be good.


Let him be unhappy then. He'll still have to convince a club to pay £25m for him. If he were a 24 year old, most clubs would take a punt at £25m, but a disgruntled 30 year old who hasn't played in a year?
 

Shadydan

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Totally agree. Keep him, activate the extra year in the summer of 2019 and if anybody wants to pay £25m for a 30 year old then so be it, how much mileage will anybody get out of him then anyway??. We still would have doubled our money on him without paying daft wages over the 4 years he would have been here. That represents a better deal than paying him 150k now for 5 years when he'll be 34. Foyth and Sanchez will be that much better and we can concentrate on getting a LCB in to replace Verts. Sorted.

You gonna be happy if Liverpool or Chelsea match the release clause and he can only go to these teams for example?
 

jurgen

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This this and this.

We’ve already done our succession planning with Toby and gave great RCBs for the next decade in Sanchez and Foyth, while Carter Vickers appears to have turned it around with this new loan too. I’d like one more season of Toby and then let him leave for that £25m clause as a 30 year old with a poor recent injury history.

Fact is, with his current wage being so ‘low’ anyway we can justifiably have him as a squad player for a year anyway, anybody we brought in to be our 3rd centre back behind Jan and Dave would command at least £50k per week anyway. We hold the cards, it’s up to him to play ball or not. Yes, he is better than Sanchez for now, but it’s not unrealistic to think that in June 2019 this will reverse. Up to Toby to commit his last hurrah at the top level to us, if he doesn’t then he’s playing with fire.

Of course, if we want to make more money out of him, sell him this summer, reinvest in a young LCB to succeed Vertonghen, it will be a slightly worse situation but not dramatically. However, for all intents and purposes Toby has become a touch redundant thanks to his injuries and Sanchez progression. In any industry, if a company can restructure to profess a young talent into the position of their superior and make a profit in the process without the product being negatively effected, it will.

Clearly you like to look on the bright side of things in general, but if we were to let him leave for the clause, he could presumably go anywhere he wanted to, including picking up 200k+/pw at Arsenal or Chelsea who'd both love to have him I'm sure. Personally, I don't like that option at all.

I guess if we sell him this summer, it'll only be one of the Manchester clubs he goes to rather than one of our closest rivals, but either way it will be a shame to see us strengthening another team around us again. Given he's absolutely built for this league, and this league has all the money, I really feel that's where he'll stay.

And I'm not convinced about the sweeping statements of him being 'redundant' due to injuries nor that a few games for Ipswich present Carter Vickers as any form of replacement for Alderweireld's quality yet.

Ironically, his injury seemed to come from the one moment he's really sprinted after a ball (not sure what he was up to doing that so far up the pitch vs. Madrid..) because he doesn't really rely on his pace particularly and so is obviously a prime candidate for a defender who could play deep into his thirties.

So to write him off as a potential '30 year old with a poor recent injury history' is pretty naive in my opinion. Vertonghen is now nearly 31 and playing arguably the best football of his life, so it's highly likely that Alderweireld as another intelligent defender could have an amazing 2-3 years in front of him at least.

If he leaves because we can't afford him then I can understand it - assuming we'd explored every possible option - but lets not sugarcoat it, it will be shit and leave us a poorer squad for it, because he's a really good player.
 

Lilbaz

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Do we know if this £25m might not be another suarez situation? They can talk to another club if they bid above that but we can reject it?
It would fit with poch saying he had been told we have him for two years (so would the buyout clause though).

Out of our hands no point getting wound up about it. He'll stay or he leaves. He stays great. He leaves we sell him for as much as we can and spend that money well. At 29 his value is depreciating.
 

Shadydan

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Do we know if this £25m might not be another suarez situation? They can talk to another club if they bid above that but we can reject it?
It would fit with poch saying he had been told we have him for two years (so would the buyout clause though).

Out of our hands no point getting wound up about it. He'll stay or he leaves. He stays great. He leaves we sell him for as much as we can and spend that money well. At 29 his value is depreciating.

I never understood how that worked, he had a £40m release clause and Arsenal bit £40m and £1 yet Liverpool still rejected it and he went onto sign a new contract.
 

The Scarecrow

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Do we know if this £25m might not be another suarez situation? They can talk to another club if they bid above that but we can reject it?
It would fit with poch saying he had been told we have him for two years (so would the buyout clause though).

Out of our hands no point getting wound up about it. He'll stay or he leaves. He stays great. He leaves we sell him for as much as we can and spend that money well. At 29 his value is depreciating.
Even so, he'd only have one year left on his contract, and we most likely wouldn't get him to extend it.
 

Japhet

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IMO Toby has the rest of the season to prove his fitness and the club have the rest of the season to decide if they want to cash in or cough up for a new contract. I don't see us letting it run til the buy out clause is active because he could go anywhere. If it's still at a stalemate in the summer I think we'll try to sell him abroad for a king's ransom. Both sides are holding a few aces.
 

Singayid

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Lots of great discussion going on here with very relevant comments on both sides of sell him / don't sell him:

BEN on FTL saying that it's not down to wages either. The issue is the agent. The agent is getting on everyone's bad side, insisting on a set release clause that is out of line.
We don't know if the agent is demanding a huge pay off?? But if he is then clearly TA is sanctioning this surely.

This ties in with what others have said.

But of course, it's because we won't pay the wages :banghead:
Is it as simple as this or is it related to above RE agent fees???

If Toby wants to stay he'll find a way to reign in his mad hatter agent, surely?

If he let's him run wild with bonkers release clause demands that no one would agree to, then you have to assume he wants to go and we should sell move on.

If you want to be here, be here; if you want to go, go.

The fans are the club; the club is bigger than any player.

I don't want a player here who's not all-in.

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES I'm in love with @thinktank :love:

The agent is only doing what he's told. If he wasnt, he wouldnt be Toby’s agent any longer. So clearly it isnt Toby’s agent being difficult. It’s Toby. He doesnt want to be here. Oh well. Move on. Good bye. Just dont sell him to an English club.

I gave this WTF @yankspurs cos he's being logical (for a change) ;)

Have to say I love Toby. But I love Poch’s Spurs so much more. Nothing must compromise that.

If the breaking story is actually true, then let Toby negotiate his last big contract aboard.

A full pre-season with Davidson and Foyth should see them both raise their game further. Teams evolve and change. Under Poch that’s usually been for the better.


ALL US SPURS FANS MUST REMEMBER THE CURRENT EQUATION :

THFC + POCH > ANY INDIVIDUAL PLAYER
 

worcestersauce

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The fact that there is a clause that he must be allowed to leave for £25million doesn't necessarily mean that he can go anywhere he chooses, if three clubs offer the amount then can we not allow him to go to the one we choose, if he rejects the move ok but would we not have fulfilled our part of the bargain?
 

tiger666

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The fact that there is a clause that he must be allowed to leave for £25million doesn't necessarily mean that he can go anywhere he chooses, if three clubs offer the amount then can we not allow him to go to the one we choose, if he rejects the move ok but would we not have fulfilled our part of the bargain?

If it's a release clause we have no say in it. If a club bids the clause amount, they can talk to the player.
 

cider spurs

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What I am somewhat struggling with is how Mr Levy agreed to this clause in the first place.

I know money for players has gone mad, but this was always on the cards and was well reported at least a couple of seasons ago, that there was going to be a big hike financially regarding money spent on players.


Maybe Toby held all the aces last time round, insisting on clause or no deal, perhaps he believes he can continue to hold all the aces this time as a result. I don't think Mr Levy likes losing 2 in a row.
 

worcestersauce

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If it's a release clause we have no say in it. If a club bids the clause amount, they can talk to the player.
I get that but if more than one club offer the buyout amount it isn't clear that he is the only one with a say on which one we sell to and if we agree to sell to one of them and he rejects it, for whatever reason, has he not made the decision to stay? Also presumably £25 million is the minimum and doesn't rule out higher bids.

What I am somewhat struggling with is how Mr Levy agreed to this clause in the first place.
Isn't it twice what we paid for him?
 

Lilbaz

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Even so, he'd only have one year left on his contract, and we most likely wouldn't get him to extend it.

He'd be losing over £10m in wages and be 31 then. Might be enough to make him sign.
If he didn't. We'd have him for two years, the best two left on his career.
Dunno, cash in or not?
 

tiger666

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I get that but if more than one club offer the buyout amount it isn't clear that he is the only one with a say on which one we sell to and if we agree to sell to one of them and he rejects it, for whatever reason, has he not made the decision to stay? Also presumably £25 million is the minimum and doesn't rule out higher bids.

Any club bidding £25m can offer him a contract. He can choose where he goes. We have no say in it. Assuming it's a normal release clause.
 

cozzo

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How are his current wages and release clause public knowledge? Where can I find this?
 
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