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Toby's wage demands

Mullers

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What about the other players that want improved contracts? We can't give them all what they want as we don't have the money.
What toby is asking for is more than any player at juventus or bayern, it isn't chicken feed.

At the end of the day there are people at spurs that decide what we can and can't afford to pay. I'll trust them. Even if it means we have to sell toby.
They will look for improved contracts, regardless of whether Toby is looking for an improved contracts.

At the end of day it's very simple, if we don't pay up on the players we want to keep then we'll have to sell them and take backward steps in regards to team progression.
 

elDiablo

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offer 110k per week and if has plays the whole season without any significant injury bump it up to the 150k.
 

Lilbaz

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I think the problem is Toby will be comparing his wages to that of other Premier League players rather than those of other leagues. I agree with what you are saying but i doubt Toby sees it that way.

We have had a massive increase in match day income due to playing at Wembley and will also get see an increase, although possibly less so, when moving into the new stadium. So i think Levy needs to look at raising the wage limit. Having said that though all contract negotiations will have to end in a compromise and hopefully that will be the case here and we can keep Toby.

We are raising the wage limit and are in negotiations with a number of players. We are doubling tobys pay if he accepts.
We will not be able to match what city or utd can pay. There are only 3 teams in the world that could.
 

MyNameIsNicolaBerti

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The usual Levy-fix for this kind of situation is a contract with a moderate basic salary and a broad, generous package of achievement-based incentives, based on such factors as club appearances, trophies, league position and international selection.

It would not surprise me if this turns out to be the face-saving solution again for both sides. Alderweireld does not strike me as the type who needs to brag about a number, but just wants to be remunerated as he feels is appropriate to his level of achievement.
Thing is that add ons like that can only go so far, and present a problem if a player becomes injured.

Alderweireld is probably the best centre back in the league and he CAN walk into any other top six club and be paid twice as much as £150k, let alone £110k. Even Arsenal can pay him twice as much.

I am not saying we comprise our conservative approach to wages, but overall quality of our squad has improved to the stage that we have to compete at least some degree with the market level. If we don't we unsettle and lose the players and fall back.

Seems to me Levy has a choice, either we fall back a few years and wait until we can build up again with the benefit of the new stadium income, or we try to keep the squad together and that means probably paying the more senior members at least something in the £100 - £150k range, with Kane paid more. That's reality if we want to be top four regulars and compete for the league.
 

Shadydan

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Think we just need to wait until the summer until we see what happens with our wage structure, as I understand a load of players will get a hike and Toby will be amongst those to be offered one.
 

Tiberius Gracchus

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The usual Levy-fix for this kind of situation is a contract with a moderate basic salary and a broad, generous package of achievement-based incentives, based on such factors as club appearances, trophies, league position and international selection.

It would not surprise me if this turns out to be the face-saving solution again for both sides. Alderweireld does not strike me as the type who needs to brag about a number, but just wants to be remunerated as he feels is appropriate to his level of achievement.

I agree with this. Will be interesting to see if - and how - this approach shifts with the new stadium. There's certainly a perception that Spurs pay less prima facie so I wonder to what degree this perception will change as we grow, or whether Daniel Levy will continue to address discrepancies in basic, with generous add-ons
 

WhiteHeartLowe

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To put it into another perspective, there are probably only four or five players on this list of the best-paid players in the Prem (Aguero, De Bruyne, Hazard, De Gea, arguably Silva) who are as important, or as good, as Alderweireld.

Wow, that list really makes Kane's position look incredible. Looking at the nobodies he is down there with, and compared to what players of even approaching his level of significance and performance are being paid, Its amazing! :eek:

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But none of these perspectives are particularly important - the only thing that is important is answering the question "could Alderweireld earn significantly more if he moved?". The answer is yes, and the consequence of that is that we need to pay him what he's worth or lose him.
 

Disconosebleed

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Incredible and amazing are possible words to use, I'd go with frightening personally - pretty much all of our top players are earning nowhere near what players of a similar standard are getting, and that is unsustainable long-term.

I suspect that Kyle Walker's sale, while obviously forced by the player wanting to leave, was seen as an opportunity to raise the sort of funds needed to increase the club's wage structure - £50m equates to around £200k a week over the course of a 5-year contract, which could go a long way to paying for the wages we need to pay to keep players like Kane, Eriksen, Alli and Lloris. This could potentially be the way forward for us - funding the wages needed to retain our top players by allowing the odd one to leave for a big fee.
 

Lilbaz

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Incredible and amazing are possible words to use, I'd go with frightening personally - pretty much all of our top players are earning nowhere near what players of a similar standard are getting, and that is unsustainable long-term.

I suspect that Kyle Walker's sale, while obviously forced by the player wanting to leave, was seen as an opportunity to raise the sort of funds needed to increase the club's wage structure - £50m equates to around £200k a week over the course of a 5-year contract, which could go a long way to paying for the wages we need to pay to keep players like Kane, Eriksen, Alli and Lloris. This could potentially be the way forward for us - funding the wages needed to retain our top players by allowing the odd one to leave for a big fee.

We'll keep with a wage bill of around 50-55% of turnover. But we will try and buy low (young players with high potential, or opportuntities like moura) and sell high, then try and reinvest.
As long as you have mega cluubs that can spend hundreds of millions on players and untill we have sustained success that is how it has to be to compete.

But we are growing and hopefully success is just around the corner.
 

garyhopkins

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We'll keep with a wage bill of around 50-55% of turnover. But we will try and buy low (young players with high potential, or opportuntities like moura) and sell high, then try and reinvest.
As long as you have mega cluubs that can spend hundreds of millions on players and untill we have sustained success that is how it has to be to compete.

But we are growing and hopefully success is just around the corner.
So, we sell Toby for a World record fee for a defender, and (try to) bring in Sessegnon and Malcolm. We'd have the funds.

Alternatively Toby signs a new contract at the rate the club can afford.

I love Toby, but his injury record suggests that selling now may not be such a bad thing (if we get that record fee).

i think the club have the upper hand here. Toby is our best central defender, but Sanchez, Dier and Foyth are the future.
 

WalkerboyUK

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We'll keep with a wage bill of around 50-55% of turnover. But we will try and buy low (young players with high potential, or opportuntities like moura) and sell high, then try and reinvest.
As long as you have mega cluubs that can spend hundreds of millions on players and untill we have sustained success that is how it has to be to compete.

But we are growing and hopefully success is just around the corner.
So, we sell Toby for a World record fee for a defender, and (try to) bring in Sessegnon and Malcolm. We'd have the funds.

Alternatively Toby signs a new contract at the rate the club can afford.

I love Toby, but his injury record suggests that selling now may not be such a bad thing (if we get that record fee).

i think the club have the upper hand here. Toby is our best central defender, but Sanchez, Dier and Foyth are the future.
World record fee for a player who only has 2 years left on his contract in the summer, plus a rumoured £25 million clause next summer and also may well end up having missed half a season?!?

Two words - Dream On...

Why would a team pay £65 million this summer when they can wait a year and get him cheap???
 

buckley

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with people saying "pay him the going rate"I feel they are misguided by clubs like Man City and psg and Chelsea who can overpay and inflate wages because they pay no notice of FFPand this causes inflated fees and wages backed up by the fact if they are questioned aboutFFP they just use one of there companies owned by them to sponsor a toilet brush for £50 million and circumvent the rules.All this while the rest are trying to stay within FFP.To say the going rate is to say the rate that a few are willing to pay because they can and sod the rules . I tell you PSG man city and Chelsea will not stop with these inflated wages and transfer fees until the bring everyone else to the edge of financial ruin thankfully we have a chairman who will not allow this to happen to our club and so I say to Toby like it or lump it
 

Lilbaz

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World record fee for a player who only has 2 years left on his contract in the summer, plus a rumoured £25 million clause next summer and also may well end up having missed half a season?!?

Two words - Dream On...

Why would a team pay £65 million this summer when they can wait a year and get him cheap???

Agree with the sentiment but there have been mad deals for players in the last year of their contracts this season.
 

garyhopkins

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World record fee for a player who only has 2 years left on his contract in the summer, plus a rumoured £25 million clause next summer and also may well end up having missed half a season?!?

Two words - Dream On...

Why would a team pay £65 million this summer when they can wait a year and get him cheap???
Liverpool paid more for VVD and everyone seems to rate Toby higher.

I merely ponder what is possible. The club, it is said, may be willing to sell. We are unlikely to let Toby go for much less.

If he he doesn't sign a new contract, we get 15 more months of one of the best CH and our younger players get more experience.
 

Lilbaz

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Liverpool paid more for VVD and everyone seems to rate Toby higher.

I merely ponder what is possible. The club, it is said, may be willing to sell. We are unlikely to let Toby go for much less.

If he he doesn't sign a new contract, we get 15 more months of one of the best CH and our younger players get more experience.

Liverpool are idiots though.
 

parj

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I all honesty, I'm not too fussed about Toby right now. I would rather give his rumoured new salary to Dele, Eriksen and Kane.

Sanchez is stepping up. Foyth looks promising and we still have Dier. I would rather make Dier feel more secure as he younger and covers 2 positions. Maybe invest in a young dynamic DM who needs a few years with Poch
 

Spurslove

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To put it into perspective he is asking for more than anyone paid at bayern, including lewandowski.

What we are offering is more than kompany, cahill, stones, luiz earn. More than utd's defenders.

If he is asking for £150,000 per week, I'd find it hard to believe that all those players you mentioned were earning less than that.
 

cider spurs

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Has anyone considered we might be playing the waiting game ourselves, waiting to see if we do indeed qualify for the champions league proper, and the added finances that could provide.

Might be in a posotion to push the structure of wages even furthet once CL secured.
 

tiger666

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Has anyone considered we might be playing the waiting game ourselves, waiting to see if we do indeed qualify for the champions league proper, and the added finances that could provide.

Might be in a posotion to push the structure of wages even furthet once CL secured.

Hopefully not. We shouldn't base our spending on CL revenue.
 
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