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Spurzinho

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Per Hinds and Griffiths: We've offered pro-terms to far worse players than those two so if its true, and its a big if, then there must be something more going on because they're certainly deserving of professional contracts on performances alone. if they've refused to sign pro contracts then that's a different matter and they won't as much be released as free to negotiate with other clubs (with compensation complicating a domestic move). IF they were going down the free agent route then I find it very difficult to believe that the club would just blithely carry on playing them for the U18s and U23s. Its just not our style. We've not done that before.

I'm inclined to believe that someone has got their wires crossed and that both will be here next season.
 

beats1

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Per Hinds and Griffiths: We've offered pro-terms to far worse players than those two so if its true, and its a big if, then there must be something more going on because they're certainly deserving of professional contracts on performances alone. if they've refused to sign pro contracts then that's a different matter and they won't as much be released as free to negotiate with other clubs (with compensation complicating a domestic move). IF they were going down the free agent route then I find it very difficult to believe that the club would just blithely carry on playing them for the U18s and U23s. Its just not our style. We've not done that before.

I'm inclined to believe that someone has got their wires crossed and that both will be here next season.
We havent at u23 but u18's we have iirc and tbh we did it with stewart
 

Spurzinho

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We havent at u23 but u18's we have iirc and tbh we did it with stewart

Stewart was released at 20 not 18, he'd been part of the U23's for 2 years when we cut out losses. We're talking about dispensing with Hinds & Griffiths at 18 after completing their scholarships. I can think of a few lads we've given a couple of games to towards the end of their second year knowing they were getting released but that's a very different situation because it was our decision and they weren't good enough and we were probably letting scouts have a look at them. Griffiths and Hinds are stand outs at U18 level and are simply a different kettle of fish to every else I can think of.
 

IGSpur

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Not too dissimilar to early descriptions of Kane...(not necessarily style, just that Kane never looked the part, until he started scoring goals...)

It's hard to explain but Kane definitely looked a lot more graceful on the ball than Griffiths. Griffiths looks very unnatural, but has very decent style, and kind of runs like Woody from Toy Story. He is improving no doubt and he has a great knack for getting goals which is great.

Regarding whether he should get first team opps, as BG said, he won't but he needs to probably step upto u23s first.. He is well built and one of the older players in the u18s as a 2nd year, he needs to see how he would match up against bigger players.

Also our result yesterday is very impressive. I don't know Reading's team, but they have contributed 6 players to the England u16s age group, so their academy is doing well. Our u17s also beat their u17s 6-4 so they mist have definitely had some of the England players featuring across the teams.

Thorpe scored 2 goals in the 6-4 win, as did Walcott.
 

IGSpur

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I think Kane started to look the part a few months after training under Poch and his coaches.

Remember Kane was looking good under AVB and then started the last 6 games of the season under Sherwood and bagged 3 goals. He then started the 14/15 season on fire, I don't know how much of Pochettino's coaching would have affected Kane in 2/3 months
 

IGSpur

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Arsenal have been in the europa league so it's a bit harsh to compare our records when they've basically had a reserve competition to play in

Ampadu and musonda didn't come through chelseas academy, unless you were going to include foyth aswell as a just a young player getting games

McTominay is clearly just a pawn in Mourinhos battle with pogba and is being thrown into games he's clearly not ready for. I suppose it's still integrating a youth player but it's not for the right reasons and that taints it a bit for me.

Klopp has done well with TAA though tbf

I love how when other clubs bring through players, there are special circumstances or reasons given but when we do, it is through great planning.

I'm sure other clubs sit there and go Winks has only been given chances due to Wanyama and Dembele being injured, and the only reason Kane(our best player) was given a chance was due to the EL. Whereas they managed to bring through Iwobi and Bellerin despite not having EL football to give them chances. So It think it is fair to compare our records
 

IGSpur

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Stewart was released at 20 not 18, he'd been part of the U23's for 2 years when we cut out losses. We're talking about dispensing with Hinds & Griffiths at 18 after completing their scholarships. I can think of a few lads we've given a couple of games to towards the end of their second year knowing they were getting released but that's a very different situation because it was our decision and they weren't good enough and we were probably letting scouts have a look at them. Griffiths and Hinds are stand outs at U18 level and are simply a different kettle of fish to every else I can think of.

Agree. Very unusual situation, and I also can't think of a similar one, but where also at a time where English players are realising that despite their ability they just don't stand a chance here so want to leave. Secondly, like BG said I think we still owe them development opportunities, but I am surprised we're giving them so many chances. Either way I hope they do go abroad.

They (two people run the account) do have some connections.

Didn't know there were 2 people behind it
 

Blake Griffin

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if aurier continues his poor form i would be annoyed if kwp doesn't get the chance

i'd love to know what they've been telling kwp with regards to what the plan is with him, just feels like he's been strung along a bit. if nothing changes in the summer then he needs to demand a move.
 

kmk

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Remember Kane was looking good under AVB and then started the last 6 games of the season under Sherwood and bagged 3 goals. He then started the 14/15 season on fire, I don't know how much of Pochettino's coaching would have affected Kane in 2/3 months

Yes, Kane scored 3 league goals under Sherwood at the end of the 2013/14 season. However he looked nothing like the player that flourished under Poch. The one that bullies defenders with his strength.

Also he didn't start the 14/15 season on fire. He scored his first league goal in November after coming on as a sub against Villa. After that game, his fortunes, Poch's fortunes and the clubs changed completely.
 

Streetspur77

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I love how when other clubs bring through players, there are special circumstances or reasons given but when we do, it is through great planning.

I'm sure other clubs sit there and go Winks has only been given chances due to Wanyama and Dembele being injured, and the only reason Kane(our best player) was given a chance was due to the EL. Whereas they managed to bring through Iwobi and Bellerin despite not having EL football to give them chances. So It think it is fair to compare our records

The original post was about this season so that's what I was replying to, there's no point making it about recent seasons because that's not what a was talking about. Also Bellerin came through Barca's academy unless you are going to praise us for bringing through dele and Foyth?

I wasn't defending our youth policy this season, just saying was that I don't think any team deserves any real credit for youth academy intergration this season except for Klopp with TAA. If you can refute any of the points then be my guest but don't just misquote what I said to fit in with your opinion.
 

Cornpattbuck

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Bellerin never made an appearance for Barcelona; Bentaleb would be a fairer comparison perhaps.

Not really as Bellerin and Fabregas were really highly rated players nabbed before rules changed. Bentaleb was a random wanderer we took a punt on.
 
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Blake Griffin

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The original post was about this season so that's what I was replying to, there's no point making it about recent seasons because that's not what a was talking about. Also Bellerin came through Barca's academy unless you are going to praise us for bringing through dele and Foyth?

I wasn't defending our youth policy this season, just saying was that I don't think any team deserves any real credit for youth academy intergration this season except for Klopp with TAA. If you can refute any of the points then be my guest but don't just misquote what I said to fit in with your opinion.

out of interest, if jonathan de bie comes through and becomes spurs' #1 at some point, will he not count as an academy product? i'm just wondering where we draw the line here. i think j'neil bennett joined from qpr at 15, would he count? griffiths from orient at 14?
 
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