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E17yid

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Oh I see.

Splitting hairs that way are we:D

Well it’s a bit different isn’t it.

Gatland was talking about a single incident that wasn’t even the refs decision and you, and the majority of English fans, seem to be extremely unhappy at Owens’ entire performance.
 

talkshowhost86

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Well it’s a bit different isn’t it.

Gatland was talking about a single incident that wasn’t even the refs decision and you, and the majority of English fans, seem to be extremely unhappy at Owens’ entire performance.

We were talking about Jones.

The point is that Jones is taking responsibility. Gatland very rarely seems to and you can split hairs on what he's actually blaming but it's still the same point.
 

E17yid

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We were talking about Jones.

The point is that Jones is taking responsibility. Gatland very rarely seems to and you can split hairs on what he's actually blaming but it's still the same point.

No it isn’t. Criticising a blind TMO is one thing. Coming out after the game and saying the ref was terrible is another. With the latter you’ve got to be very careful and best have lots of clear cut decisions that went against you otherwise it doesn’t look good.

The ref wasn’t particularly kind to us against Ireland yesterday but like England we just got done by the better team on the day and you didn’t see Gatland coming out moaning then.
 

E17yid

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Okay mate :rolleyes:

So you honestly don’t see any difference between the 2? Are you being serious or just a bit annoyed about yesterday?

It’s why I mentioned the Care and Farrel incidents. If one of those was legitimate try and Jones criticised the TMO (not ref) then that’s a little bit different than saying the ref was shit, was totally inconsistent, screwed us at the breakdown didn’t treat us fairly.

If you see that as splitting hairs I honestly don’t know what to say. Again, it’s why I mentioned our loss yesterday as they weren’t to dissimilar (accept Scotland’s Win was a bit more comfortable) we had some decisions go against us but we can’t use that as an excuse just as Eddie couldn’t.

With our game there was a single, isolated controversial moment that wasn’t even reviewed by the ref as it was the TMO. Totally different. Especially, putting yourself in Welsh shoes, when the TMO said it was an English hand which was clearly wrong.

Gatland and Jones knew they didn’t have a leg to stand on re the ref in our respective games hence why they both kept quiet. Nothing about taking responsibility.
 

E17yid

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Nick Knowles (I had no idea who he was either) said something funny along the lines of “Nigel Owens trying to avenge the England defeat of wales”

Thoughts from Woodward:

“Nigel, once again excellent performance from you and both teams know the right team won- well done again”

Thoughts from Will Greenwood:

Embarrassed by some of the comments made towards Nigel Owens- watched our game for the second time- particular focus on key decisions, England rugby can have no complaints about Scotland win. Many things to blame- None of them Nigel

Thoughts from Paul O’Connel:

For my eyes, I thought Nigel Owens had a good game.
 

talkshowhost86

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I don't see any difference no.

Gatland refuses to accept his team had been beaten by the better team. He blamed a decision.

Jones has accepted responsibility and said Scotland were better than us.

And only a Wales fan would say there were no issues to look at with the reffing yesterday. Maybe it's just because you weren't watching properly (which I think you've said) but you're only talking about the two try incidents for England whereas most people talking about it (not only English fans) are talking about the game in general where the way the breakdown was reffed was very odd.

But I'm glad Jones has (somewhat out of character) shown more class than Gatland did a couple of weeks back.

Just hope he can turn the team around as well.
 

E17yid

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I don't see any difference no.

Gatland refuses to accept his team had been beaten by the better team. He blamed a decision.

Jones has accepted responsibility and said Scotland were better than us.

And only a Wales fan would say there were no issues to look at with the reffing yesterday. Maybe it's just because you weren't watching properly (which I think you've said) but you're only talking about the two try incidents for England whereas most people talking about it (not only English fans) are talking about the game in general where the way the breakdown was reffed was very odd.

But I'm glad Jones has (somewhat out of character) shown more class than Gatland did a couple of weeks back.

Just hope he can turn the team around as well.

I’ll break down the differences mate.

1, it was the TMO not the ref.

2, Gats was talking about 1 incident but you lot on here have a list as long as your arm.

So other than the fact Gatland didn’t criticise the ref and other than the fact you’re talking about dozens of separate incidents, yeah, they’re exactly the same.

Oh, are Woodward and Greenwood Welsh, then? I must’ve missed that seeing as they said Nige had a great game.
 

talkshowhost86

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Only English fans are complaining about Owens.

English fans are complaining obviously because it effected them but seen lots of no. English people questioning the performance.

Irish and Welsh fans would have been furious off the back of that yesterday.

I think there have been a good number of English fans however who accept that it wasn't the reason we lost.
 

E17yid

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The other difference being our game was a lot tighter so a lot more hinges on that 1 decision by the TMO whereas Scotland gave you a damn good seeing to but I guess you’ll just say but Nigel fucked is over about 200 times during the game.
 

talkshowhost86

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I’ll break down the differences mate.

1, it was the TMO not the ref.

2, Gats was talking about 1 incident but you lot on here have a list as long as your arm.

So other than the fact Gatland didn’t criticise the ref and other than the fact you’re talking about dozens of separate incidents, yeah, they’re exactly the same.

Oh, are Woodward and Greenwood Welsh, then? I must’ve missed that seeing as they said Nige had a great game.

You seem to be completely ignoring the point...I'm assuming on purpose.

Gatland didn't accept the better team won.

Jones did.
 

talkshowhost86

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The other difference being our game was a lot tighter so a lot more hinges on that 1 decision by the TMO whereas Scotland gave you a damn good seeing to but I guess you’ll just say but Nigel fucked is over about 200 times during the game.


I've been very clear Scotland deserved to win.

Not sure if you're just deliberarely ignoring that.
 

werty

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English fans are complaining obviously because it effected them but seen lots of no. English people questioning the performance.

Irish and Welsh fans would have been furious off the back of that yesterday.

I think there have been a good number of English fans however who accept that it wasn't the reason we lost.
I would have been furious at the lack of players in the breakdown from my team, not the performance of the ref.
 

talkshowhost86

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I would have been furious at the lack of players in the breakdown from my team, not the performance of the ref.

Which is why I mentioned the performances more than anything else.

I know it's unusual both on Ireland and Wales but it's possible to question a red without also playing the 'plucky underdog with everyone against us' card.

England were crap yesterday. Scotland were excellent. As Eddie Jones said.
 
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