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Match Ratings Ratings vs Crystal Palace

MOTM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 4 1.4%
  • Aurier

    Votes: 18 6.1%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 58 19.8%
  • Dier

    Votes: 72 24.6%
  • Davies

    Votes: 27 9.2%
  • Wanyama

    Votes: 8 2.7%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 14 4.8%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 16 5.5%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 12 4.1%
  • Dele

    Votes: 11 3.8%
  • Kane

    Votes: 47 16.0%
  • Moura

    Votes: 4 1.4%
  • Son

    Votes: 2 0.7%

  • Total voters
    293

GMI

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And what player didn't misplace passes?
Agreed. Our style of play involves 100s of passes per match, passes made in tight areas of the pitch. Dier started slow but controlled the game well when called upon.
 

ohtottenham!

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I am a Dembele fan and I actually thought he was better than Eriksen.

I don't want to start an argument re Eriksen but i think he is extremely overrated.

Onions and all that.

Edit: Watch me get "disagrees" from the Eriksen fan boys without them giving any reasons.
I don't think Eriksen is overrated at all. I also don't think anyone in midfield had their game on today. A real lack of movement and energy, slack passing, horrible first touch when receiving passes - it seemed to affect everyone today.

Still, don't think I was alone in thinking we'd somehow get a result in this game, even in the late stages. A Tottenham team grinding a result out despite playing under par just like other successful teams do.
 

lukespurs7

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6’s and 7’s all round.

We controlled the game well but wasted the chances we had, we were a bit sloppy with our passing at Times and a little slow with our play but we dominated the whole game and deserved the win, squeaky bum time at the end.

Lloris 7 saved what he needed to

Aurier 5 got forward well, one great tackle and shot but some poor crosses and foul throws inexcusable. Clearly he has parts of his game to work on but he wasn’t as bad as some people have made out.

Dier 8 very solid

Sanchez 7 good but pipped by dier who handled Benteke very well

Davies 7 deserved to score, standard Davies solid and got forward quite well

Dembele 6 not quite at his usual very high standards

Wanyama 6 did ok

Eriksen 6 bit under par from him

Lamela 7 mixed bag, energetic some great creative play mixed with a few poor touches and decisions and fouls but generally a decent game

Alli 7.5 one of his better games

Kane 7 fluffed a few but got the job done

Important 3 points, Palace just got 10 men behind the ball and hit long to benteke, we controlled the game and should’ve scored earlier, thought it was going to be one of those days but got the job done.

COYS.
 

Frozen_Waffles

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Death and Taxes - Embrace the Grind

Weirdly, I enjoyed that game. I think we actually played very well in two thirds of the pitch against an incredibly well drilled unit and but for abject wastefulness, poor decisions by the ref and a bit of rub, we'd have won a very tricky game more comfortably.

Selection wise I didn't really understand the logic of Aurier for that one, I'd have had Trippier in there, and I don't understand the logic of Sissoko on the bench instead of Winks when you also have two other attacking options on the bench as well, if Wanyama or Dembele needed to be replaced (a not unlikely event seeing as both have had their injury issues) who would we rather bring on as a CM, Sissoko or Winks? But I did like the inclusion of Lamela over Son, in this type of game it makes sense to have someone who sees a clever through ball and can often play it, especially as Eriksen has to spend a lot of time being a CM as well these days as we don't have an incisive passer there.

It was great to see Wanyama back properly today, I thought he had a really good game, and demonstrated why he should always be in that midfield ahead of Dier, he's tenacious, dynamic, can press properly, expedient and efficient with the ball, and on the odd occasion a team breaks on us, he is the only one of the three (Dier/Dembele/Wanyama) that really has the energy and dynamism to get back quickly. He genuinely gives us a proper double pivoting CM2 instead of the much more inflexible deep Dier and half deep Dembele.

Games like today are the ones that the Dembele fans like to pretend don't exist or matter. But the trouble is they are far more frequent than the world beating games. He wasn't bad or anything, he was perfectly competent, but in games like today, which is what the vast majority of our games are, when we are up against the stiflers, the obdurate deep blockers, you need a player who sees a pass quicker and makes that pass quicker.

I though Eriksen was also really good today. I know many were bitching about him in the match thread but I just don't understand what they are thinking. If you extract Eriksen from that game it becomes so different, in fact, it becomes Southampton or Newport, a game bereft of any tempo or direction or creativity at all. Eriksen saw more midfield ball than Dembele FFS, he also set up the goal (and that was no fluke, that was the third time him and Kane had tried it) and set up Kane and nearly Alli with superb passes. That was another masterclass. Constantly on the ball, tick, tick, feeding Davies, feeding Aurier, feeding it into Alli or Lamela and then popping up in the final third too. If you can't appreciate what this fella is bringing to the party you really aren't paying attention. There are so few players who do what he does, play as CM, ACM, ARM and ALM in the same game.

Against an opponent like this, who are organised and disciplined, sitting very compact centrally, our approach play was actually spot on. We constantly got the ball out to FB's in very good positions, the shame was that neither of them delivered a single decent cross or pass from this great positions all game, Aurier in particular was incredibly wasteful from some exceptionally good positions, you just know Trippier would have done a shitload better.

And that was the one area of disappointment today, our decisions and executions in that final third, because our approach play actually did create numerous situations that should have yielded more. Kane misses two absolute sitters, Eriksen shanked badly when in another position, Alli should have two penalties but his own tomfuckery is now inevitably costing him. But it's not so much your CF missing sitters, it's annoying, but it happens, as long as he keeps getting into those positions, you know he'll get one, it's more the repeated waste of the situation before the situation in that final third that's killing us as much as anything. And this is why I don't understand why Pochettino continually seems to prioritise "quick" over "wit" every transfer window?

Eventually death (Kane) and taxes (Eriksen) did arrive for Palace and there are few sweeter feelings in football than a very hard earned 88th minute winner. It was thoroughly deserved, we'd dominated, we'd created openings and chances, got behind them whilst at the same time rarely allowing them in our half.

Individual

Lloris - SFA to do really.

Aurier - It's just pretty much Walker all over again. Defensively pretty similar, pretty sound, and he does get up and down energetically but his delivery in good forward positions is as bad as Walker's was - maybe even worse today. He's not a terrible RB, any more than Walker isn't, but Would we really have been worse off if we'd given KWP his development time ?

Sanchez - Good game.

Dier - One very careless pass out of defence aside, good game. He has got to eradicate those from his game though.

Davies - Similar to Aurier really. very involved, got into some good positions, wasted all of them pretty much. Unlucky not to have a penalty though.

Wanyama - Very good game. Saw more ball than anyone, moved it quickly and efficiently, which exactly what you need, and his ability to cover ground gives us a genuine double pivoting CM pair which is much harder to play against. VICE-MOTM

Dembele - Against tough opponents, when he's at it, he can be a don, but games like today when what we need is more vim and less dawdle, he can just slow things down. Thought he was very laboured today, especially second half.

Lamela/Alli - Worked hard, played their part in the build up play, which was important, but creatively a bit wanting. Alli's diving bit him in the arse big time today, because he should have had two pens.

(The Tax Man) Eriksen - Like the taxman, some don't really see what he does, but like the taxman, he's everywhere, quietly, Insidiously and constantly taking little bites out you, and even the killer brown envelope at the end of the year that finishes you off often arrives without you hearing it glide through your letterbox. He's constant. Great ball for the goal, should have had another assist at least. MOTM

(Death) - Kane - you might have one lives, he doesn't care, he'll get you on the tenth.

Agree with everything there especially the KWP bit, but I have to disagree with Wanyama, he was good with his pressing but under pressure he is a liability.

Hodgson clearly had his players pressing our central trio. Which helped to slow our attacks, while Dier and Dembele were generally solid without being exceptional, I thought Wanyama cracks a bit under pressure as his first touch is not always great.

Conte targeted him earlier in the season and I can imagine other teams doing it too.
 

Tit&Ham

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Thought IT was a god game. We had maybe 6-7 clear cut chances and 2 stonewall penalties.

Kane missed 2 sitters - the game could be comfortably won if he was on form.

Think that is a good away day in the PL.
 

Coyboy

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Dec 3, 2004
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How the bajesus is Dier winning the MOTM vote ? I mean he was perfectly good for much of that game, but it's not like Palace were in our half much or that he had loads to do. Even if you don't agree with me that Eriksen was, surely you have to go Wanyama, those two were at the hub of the game, keeping the hammer down on Palace relentlessly.

Dier did what he had to do really competently, apart from one very careless moment, but a CB won't get much easier days than that ? Did he do anything exceptional ?

What's the thinking ? I'm genuinely intrigued.

I thought Eriksen and Wanyama were good but Dier kept Benteke very quiet and this allowed us to constantly ping Palace back whenever they tried to attack or Benteke tried to even hold the ball up. Other than one awful pass, I thought he was excellent.

You could easily have Eriksen and Wanyama but I guess given the above and it’s not Dier’s usual position, he edges it.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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I thought Eriksen and Wanyama were good but Dier kept Benteke very quiet and this allowed us to constantly ping Palace back whenever they tried to attack or Benteke tried to even hold the ball up. Other than one awful pass, I thought he was excellent.

You could easily have Eriksen and Wanyama but I guess given the above and it’s not Dier’s usual position, he edges it.

Benteke’s fucked. I can’t remember the last time he had a good game. Is that really MOTM worthy?
 

npearl4spurs

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Sep 9, 2014
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I am a Dembele fan and I actually thought he was better than Eriksen.

I don't want to start an argument re Eriksen but i think he is extremely overrated.

Onions and all that.

Edit: Watch me get "disagrees" from the Eriksen fan boys without them giving any reasons.

He's now second for the club in assists in the premier league

He's underrated if anything. Wtf are you on about
 

npearl4spurs

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That is gold.

I haven't been a fan long enough to know how good or bad Anderton was. All I see is he played 12 seasons with us and got 67 assists in the PL.

This is Christian's 5th season with us and it isn't even over and he has 45.

So what that says to me is that we have been pretty shit in the Premier League and now when we have a great team with great players everyone wants to just shit on them.

It's pathetic. It's enough to make me want to stop coming on here again. Gets so fucking tiresome to read the pathetic keyboard warriors criticize our players like they have even an ounce of talent in anything in their lives, let alone football.

But I'll just use the ignore button so I can keep enjoying this site.
 

Coyboy

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I was just genuinely intrigued to know how anyone saw him as MOTM today? Just seemed so random.

Well it’s not random as I explained. It’s a fairly meaningless accolade in what was a good team performance. Davies or Alli would have been random; Aurier or Kane pretty odd, but given we controlled the game and dominated the first two thirds of the pitch any of the central players could get it.
 

Basil Brush

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I haven't been a fan long enough to know how good or bad Anderton was. All I see is he played 12 seasons with us and got 67 assists in the PL.

This is Christian's 5th season with us and it isn't even over and he has 45.

So what that says to me is that we have been pretty shit in the Premier League and now when we have a great team with great players everyone wants to just shit on them.

It's pathetic. It's enough to make me want to stop coming on here again. Gets so fucking tiresome to read the pathetic keyboard warriors criticize our players like they have even an ounce of talent in anything in their lives, let alone football.

But I'll just use the ignore button so I can keep enjoying this site.
Easy tiger.

What is your actual issue?

That i don't necessarily rate Eriksen over Dembele?

The world is full of varying opinions.

You can't put life on "ignore"
 

EastLondonYid

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Palace didnt attack so how can our Ch be mom?
I can't pick one tbh

We kept going and totally dominated... But it was not us anywhere near our best.

Great 3pts and scum lost loooool
 

Spurrific

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Easy tiger.

What is your actual issue?

That i don't necessarily rate Eriksen over Dembele?

The world is full of varying opinions.

You can't put life on "ignore"

It’s the fact that you said you think Eriksen is “extremely overrated”, which is an extremely idiotic opinion.
 
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npearl4spurs

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Easy tiger.

What is your actual issue?

That i don't necessarily rate Eriksen over Dembele?

The world is full of varying opinions.

You can't put life on "ignore"

Wait we do have some common ground - I rate Dembele over Eriksen too. But that doesn't mean he is over-rated.

Of course I can't put life on ignore. I don't. As a nurse I deal with a lot of bullshit daily and meet it head-on. Hell, I welcome it - makes life more interesting.

But this is an optional fan forum. Completely for fun. Doesn't have to be part of my life at all. My life was just great before I found this forum and then had to endure my wife's eyerolls every time she sees me on this site. But I enjoy reading what fans who have supported Spurs for 30, 40, 50, 60 years have to say about the team because as I said, I don't know much of anything about Tottenham Hotspur and didn't see anything of Tottenham Hotspur before 2009. Hell, I was just like every other American who gives me the o_O "who?!" when I tell them my favorite team in all of sports is Tottenham Hotspur, even more than my alma mater UNC Tarheels basketball.

What I don't enjoy is reading people slag off our players. Of course at times it is funny like Aurier, Sissoko, Townsend, even Soldado, etc. In the precious little time I have to spend on this site and read what yall have to say, I prefer to fill my time with thoughtful, well-reasoned, mostly supportive posts of our players. I don't have anything personal against you - your post was just another one in the mold of Eriksen and Lamela. Not just a critique but a criticism - in an arrogant manner. It just had an edge to it in what you wrote that I didn't like. That I didn't prefer to read. Then you left out the disagree bait and I was stupid enough to bite.

But I'll use the ignore button because I don't like to have negative feelings when I think about, watch, read, support Spurs. I don't go anywhere near this site when we lose. Because it already hurts enough when we lose. When we draw or lose at Stamford Bridge. When City bones us. When Liverpool beat us 5-0. Just when I think we're going to show what we're about, we don't show up at all. I get too much enjoyment out of this site and out of Spurs to read posters who have overtly negative things to say.
 
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