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Player Watch: Serge Aurier

isaac94

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Did not recall reading a long post like this when Dawson made a couple of worst tackles then this giving away penalties. Serge made one bad tackle in a game and you took such effort to prove how “stupid” he is. How do you know that if that penalty was converted we would have lost that game? How could you possibly know that.
Is it that difficult to support a player who is working hard for the team?
Since the days of Dawson, our expectations, standards and ambitions have gone up, we should not expect that sort of rash decisions now, especially if we want to be elite
 

dagraham

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Not gonna defend the foul throws, that’s just careless and lazy. Pretty sure he won’t do it again after today’s debacle.

With regards his attributes I’d say he has pace, strength and positional sense. He is rash but I think they may come from an anxiousness he’s not first choice yet.

He did only arrive late in the transfer window so I think it’s fair to give him a full season to adjust. If he’s still doing the same in Nov/Dec then maybe we can all judge with more authority

If he had positional sense he wouldn’t need to make so many rash tackles.
 

CowInAComa

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So over the past few years we've had the following players deemed "not good enough" for us by the geniuses on here:

Kane
Son
Walker
Rose
Hugo
Dembele
Alli
Lamela
Trippier
Aurier
Sissoko
Dier

And those are just off the top of my head. Weird how all these "shocking" players that are "championship standard at best" have kept us in the top 4 pretty much constantly for 2 and a half seasons now.

Please learn your lessons SC. :love:

Bentaleb, townsend, wimmer, Janssen, Chadli, capoue, carroll..

Pretty sure they were each declared the very future of Spurs at various points.

Works both ways.
 

zoneD

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...Aurier was worse than awful going forward today, but in no way would Trippier have been even close to being able to make that goal-saving tackle...
COYS
 

Cornpattbuck

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Both his and Davies' crossing today was terrible generally (I know Davies put a couple of good balls in in the end). Those throws were mental as well but then our whole team was doing unaccountably lazy things fairly regularly. Early days for Serge.
 

ajspurs

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...Aurier was worse than awful going forward today, but in no way would Trippier have been even close to being able to make that goal-saving tackle...
COYS

I thought him and Sanchez made a bit of a mess of the situation initially anyway. That's just what I first saw mind so would have to see it again to confirm that.
 

walworthyid

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I'm being patient and am hopeful that with some quality preseason time with Poch he will improve. But at the moment I am very concerned. His crossing is Poor, his decision making is Poor and he rarely beats his man. He is a decent athlete and certainly works hard, but I currently see right back as a weakness in our team.

He really does need to improve drastically imo.
 

WiganSpur

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He still needs a chance imo.

Very disappointing today. He's had a few other bad games but let's not forget he's had some good games for us too. Everton, Burnley, Dortmund, Liverpool all good displays from him I thought.

It's a shame neither him or Trippier can get some real consistency, too many on and off displays this season from both of them.

If he's still perfoming this erratically this time next season then i'll be in the Aurier Out camp, but it is too early just yet.
 

Armstrong_11

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I think today he was too... Excited... He needed to take a breathe. Slow down a step and calm down.

Maybe we were missing someone like Jan... Who will put his arm around him and tell him to relax and take it easy. Don't have to keep going at 80mph all the time.
 

PLTuck

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Bentaleb, townsend, wimmer, Janssen, Chadli, capoue, carroll..

Pretty sure they were each declared the very future of Spurs at various points.

Works both ways.

True. But then we've had people saying things like "We sold Chadli for Son? Would have been better keeping Chadli" in Son's first season.

Bottom line is not every player hits their stride in their first season. We have umpteen examples of this and yet we still get the same out of proportion over reactions. Maybe its the internet culture, I don't know, but what I do know is both extremes are unnecessary and have a distinct lack of nuance, which I suppose is a sign of the times.

Having an opinion is one thing. If that opinion is saying "Aurier is shit. We need a new RB asap" then it adds absolutely nothing to this forum.
 

PLTuck

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I think the issue with Aurier is that there have been critical outcomes from his play in his short tenure with us...red cards, penalties.

In his defence, Poch actually threw him in the deep end from the getgo, and Aurier delivered some pretty good performances initially. I just think we're seeing more of his game now, and there are definitely some problems, which affect the team as a whole. I'm sure Poch can improve his game to a degree given time. We don't know how much, or how quickly.

Right now, for me at least, he's not our first choice RB. And that's not a judgment on his ability. That's a risk assessment regarding his consistency, and what's best for the team.


Now this I can get on board with, and actually agree to a large extent. It's a well thought out criticism, rather than a "hes shit".
 

TwanYid

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Of all clubs spurs fans should know better than any other that full backs can go from pretty awful to the best in the league. Football fans just never fucking learn do we. Anyone remember the response to the Rose contract?

Might not happen but if there's anyone in our team who could have a Rose/Walker like turnaround in performance it's Aurier. You can see his quality, he's gonna get time to sort it out, it's just whether he does sort it out or not.

Great post- and I was one of the ones fucking horrified at the thought of giving Rose a long-term contract. Now, I wouldn't want to lose him.

The only thing I'll say in my defense is that I've always felt he has a seething hatred for Tottenham, even though he plays for us. He just doesn't seem like he can be arsed when it comes to our club, and would fuck off to another club (Chelsea, Man U, City, etc.) at the drop of a hat. But I'm not gonna pretend that that was the reason I thought we shouldn't re-up with him; no, what I thought was that he was shit. And for that, I was truly wrong.

Anyway about Serge: God I hope you're right, and that the gaffer can work his magic with him. Because right now I want to kill him (figuratively speaking of course). Honestly against Juve I thought I was going to have a heart attack, and then after today's miss- well- I'm getting the feeling that it's him who wants me dead lol.
 
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CowInAComa

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True. But then we've had people saying things like "We sold Chadli for Son? Would have been better keeping Chadli" in Son's first season.

Bottom line is not every player hits their stride in their first season. We have umpteen examples of this and yet we still get the same out of proportion over reactions. Maybe its the internet culture, I don't know, but what I do know is both extremes are unnecessary and have a distinct lack of nuance, which I suppose is a sign of the times.

Having an opinion is one thing. If that opinion is saying "Aurier is shit. We need a new RB asap" then it adds absolutely nothing to this forum.

Fair points but somewhat just reasserts the fact that opinions are proved right snd wrong in equal measure.

My opinion of aurier is much like mine of Sissoko, they lack the basic football IQ I like to see in a player, especially now we've gone up a level . And I'm not sure whether that can ever be truly coached into a player.

The pace and strength argument for me is a non starter. You see clubs up and down the country, your Watfords and Stokes, full of great athletes, but give me correct positioning, choice and execution of pass and good first touch any day.

Son, Lamela even Dembele are great examples of players written off but you never felt it was ever through lack of basic football nous. They always looked like footballers, to me at least.

I don't think we can indulge a manchild player through a season when every point/game counts.
 

Indacupfortottenham

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Been saying it for months, Trippier is the better footballer and should be first choice. Much happier when I see Trippier starting than Aurier.
Out of the two, he’s the one I also think will keep on improving under Poch.
Trippier ‘s final ball and decision making is in a different league to Aurier.
 
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lukespurs7

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Been saying it for months, Trippier is the better footballer and should be first choice. Much happier when I see Trippier starting than Aurier.
Out of the two, he’s the one I also think will keep on improving under Poch.
Trippier ‘s final ball and decision making is in a different league to Aurier.
Aurier is better than Trippier overall. You will see.
 

lukespurs7

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Fair points but somewhat just reasserts the fact that opinions are proved right snd wrong in equal measure.

My opinion of aurier is much like mine of Sissoko, they lack the basic football IQ I like to see in a player, especially now we've gone up a level . And I'm not sure whether that can ever be truly coached into a player.

The pace and strength argument for me is a non starter. You see clubs up and down the country, your Watfords and Stokes, full of great athletes, but give me correct positioning, choice and execution of pass and good first touch any day.

Son, Lamela even Dembele are great examples of players written off but you never felt it was ever through lack of basic football nous. They always looked like footballers, to me at least.

I don't think we can indulge a manchild player through a season when every point/game counts.
so you’ve come to that conclusion after seeing him play what about 10x for us really? (Smacks head on table)

This is a guy who was tearing it up for PSG in the Champions League and domestically, is a proven international. He has pace, power, good positioning, decent passing, heading. Yes he dives in a bit and need to learn how to take a throw-in but all the ingredients are there. He can’t speak English so is still learning that and it’s a new league and a new team he’s going to take a season or so to get up to speed. Also for a RB, 25 is still fairly young. I’m certain he will keep improving under Poch.

You guys writing him offff wayyy too soon.
 

Hawk_Spur

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We need to give him more time.

He reminds me a lot of Kyle Walker (just not as quick) before Poch arrived.
 
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