Tottenham Hotspur vs Rochdale - Match Thread
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mpickard2087
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Nah, fuck that. They both had a tiny jostle for the ball as it ran clear, with the Rochdale defender with the more obvious 'foul' (not that I'd say it was)... It was totally irrelevant to the piece of play though, as Llorente then went and cleanly tackled the guy who the ball ran to. It's an abysmal and concerning decision if that's what it takes for a goal to be chalked off.
tiger666
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Sure, but i'm not saying it was right to chalk it off, but it was more than slightly touching the guy.
UbeAstard
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Excellent result (in the end). First team going forward now though please
And not see Foyth anymore or consider the squad with games up coming? Poch is doing just fine and we were able easily to accommodate this replay.
He ran, stopped, took another step or two, struck the ball - It's open to debate as clearly stopping right at the end pausing, feinting to shoot, imo is not what he did, he clearly continues his movement after stopping, albeit only a couple of steps - But the law clearly states "at the end of the run" how far away from the ball is he when he pauses? The Law then therefor needs to be rewritten to allow "no feinting" imo - but whatever.
ComfortablyNumb
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That's not waht he did. He ran, stopped, then took another step with his left foot before kicking it with his right.
tiger666
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Well I suppose you could say that's one more step but yes, the rules aren't clear. Personally have no issue at all with it being disallowed. Stupid thing to do.
I only have an issue down to the fact i have seen many a penalty taken in that manner over the years (was it John Aldridge make a living out of it?) and never seen a yellow card and it disallowed - If the officials are consistent from week to week these things would not even be debated about.
stevenurse
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Law changed about 3 years ago. Back in it he day there was no punishment so they could feint all they wanted.
stevenurse
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Unfortunately not. 3 games from a trophy. We got out of jail twice already. Time to take it seriously
nightgoat
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It's a completely unnecessary grey area. Just ban all kinds of stutters and feints in run ups and everyone knows where they stand.
nightgoat
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He couldn't have kicked the ball from where he delayed his run up. Unless he's Inspector Gadget or something.
That would be the simplest of answers to it all
1882andallthat
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On the plus side it didn't effect the outcome of the match and the entire Spurs squad and coaching staff will not forget this and nether have they any excuse for falling foul of this rule again, and the same principle should apply for Aurier when taking throw ins.
On the issue of whether the players should receive yellow cards and have goals disallowed for this, I'm not sure I agree that they should. The idea behind the game is to try to outmanoeuvre your opponent. The principle of a penalty or free kick is to try to keep your opponent guessing and trick them into going the wrong way when placing it. Stopping before shooting is hardly ungentlmenly or unsporting conduct, if the goalkeeper doesn't fall for the bluff it then puts them at a bit more of an advantage. Unsporting conduct is deliberate obstruction, tripping a player up, fouling an opponent or handling it to stop a goal or an advantage if you are not the keeper.
That all said the law is as it is and Son should have known this before he took the penalty, he found out the hard way what the law is and fortunately for us it didn't cost us or the team so as I said at the beginning it will be valuable in that we won't or shouldn't be caught by this again.
1882andallthat
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The referee in my opinion completely ruined this first half even if it provided amusement and encouragement for Rochdale and the neutrals. He completely absolved himself of any decision making responsibility whatsoever. His presence there was not justified, he should have sat in the stands or stayed at home for all the use he was.
Why did he not go over to the touchline to see the screen for himself for any of these calls, if he wasn't going to do this what the hell is the point in having that tv monitor there in the first place on the touchline at the ground ? If this is the shape of decision making and things to come where on pitch refs are simply bystanders who kop out of making decisions this is not a step forward.
Had he have gone over to the touchline and viewed the screen himself when this was first called into action for Lamela's disallowed goal he would have probably seen for himself that Llorente's shirt was being pulled first and that anything else was six and half a dozen on that first incident. That decision affected the rest of the tone of the first half as you could see that it threw us, the 15 minute half time pause where we were incensed by decision enabled us to cool down from the emotion of it and enable Poch to say to them 'forget what's happened' treat this second half like its the start of the game now get back on that pitch and blow them away, and that's exactly what they did.
Why did he not go over to the touchline to see the screen for himself for any of these calls, if he wasn't going to do this what the hell is the point in having that tv monitor there in the first place on the touchline at the ground ? If this is the shape of decision making and things to come where on pitch refs are simply bystanders who kop out of making decisions this is not a step forward.
Had he have gone over to the touchline and viewed the screen himself when this was first called into action for Lamela's disallowed goal he would have probably seen for himself that Llorente's shirt was being pulled first and that anything else was six and half a dozen on that first incident. That decision affected the rest of the tone of the first half as you could see that it threw us, the 15 minute half time pause where we were incensed by decision enabled us to cool down from the emotion of it and enable Poch to say to them 'forget what's happened' treat this second half like its the start of the game now get back on that pitch and blow them away, and that's exactly what they did.
SandroClegane
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Made the sport/officiating better?
spursbhoy67
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If you can stutter step on a free kick why can't you stutter step on a penalty?
If the keeper can hesitate to dive on a penalty why can't the take hesitate to kick it?
Shadydan
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As far as I know you can stutter step on a penalty, you just can't stop and then go again which is what the ref deemed to have thought Son did.
Keepers can hesitate to dive but I'm not sure that puts them at an advantage.
