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Why should Daniel Levy be uncertain? He said all ins and outs were up to Poch or was it just BS?
Player Watch: Erik Lamela
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Univarn
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A little bewildered why you're surprised DL has opinions on the nature of the use of money he is responsible for. Just because it is ultimately Poch's call doesn't mean DL won't express concern or prioritize those they both agree on first. Also even if Poch says "sign this player" or "extend this contract" we all know it is not that easy.
LexingtonSpurs
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Everything I have heard publicly - usually from Poch - is that there is a conversation that takes place, where everyone has their say. I think Poch just likened it to a marriage. By all accounts, Poch has the final say - but not before hearing from Levy on money issues, and from Hitchen on scouting, and McDermot on development. This is till very much a team effort.
I think Lamela is at a spot where we have to make a decision this summer - sell, or extend. Levy has probably voiced concerns about extending - but Poch can override those concerns - if he thinks Coco is ready to be a fit, productive member of the squad.
Streetspur77
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Why does Aurier get absolutely destroyed for committing stupid challenges and then Lamela gets nothing, and in fact, praised for doing to exact same thing?
Don't get me wrong I like him and his work rate but we have to be realistic, otherwise it's just as deluded as those who won't praise him for anything.
He needs to sort out the stupid late challenges that he does even when on a yellow otherwise, one day it's going to cost us in the way Aurier has.
Don't get me wrong I like him and his work rate but we have to be realistic, otherwise it's just as deluded as those who won't praise him for anything.
He needs to sort out the stupid late challenges that he does even when on a yellow otherwise, one day it's going to cost us in the way Aurier has.
LexingtonSpurs
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I agree with your broader point - but when Aurier makes a bad tackle, its either in the box, or it leads directly to an attacking opportunity for the opposition. So, a defender almost always has to be smarter about wild tackles.
I do think Lamela needs to be careful - because it would not take much for an official to see one of his tackles the wrong way, and issue a straight red. He can be tenacious, without being reckless.
bubble07
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never ask an ITK but felt brave so I'm doing so now. Do you know if he wants to stay with us?
rabbikeane
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Main reason Aurier is criticized more for rash challenges is that he's a defender. When he does one it will lead to a dangerous set piece, often penalty, while in Lamela's case they get a free kick in mid circle with our entire team behind the ball. Defenders are held to a higher standard in this regard. What Lamela risk is a red card and we've seen him come close lately. Definitely possible for him to learn from it and be smarter in those situations. Though you want your warriors to play somewhat on the edge.
Cravenspurs
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I know there are targets out there that will bag more goals and will take on players 1v1 at a higher clip than Lamela, but I don't think you will find another AM that works as hard and just carries himself the way Erik does. He has won us numerous games throughout his time and the selfish fan in me wants him to stay until he retires.
Streetspur77
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I get that, and it's not excusing Aurier because he needs to improve in this area probably more so because of what you said.
But the criticism of Aurier is that he's "stupid", that's what everyone says about his tackles. I would accept if everyone said "Aurier has too much passion and is too desperate to succeed at the moment to be our starting RB" but they don't they say it's because he's stupid and then when Lamela commits to same offences, alright in less dangerous postions, but still risking red cards people say it's passion and wanting to succeed, and act as if it's a good thing.
Now to me the only reason I can see why one is seen as a positive and the other is negative is that Aurier is a black, African footballer who, as shown by some people's reaction when we signed him, carries to "stupid African footballer" stereotype, whilst Lamela carries the passionate, fiery South American stereotype.
I'm just not comfortable with it.
Lemon
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You say one day it''s going to cost us, but history suggests it won't, plus, to ask Lamela to be a snarling press trigger you are bound to get misjudged challenges.
Personally, considering he is quite thin set, I think he is one of the hard men (not if it kicked off, mentally).
Lamela tones down after a booking, consistently, even when clearly really charged up about a challenge or decision, or game phase. But most importantly he does not make silly challenges in our defensive 1/3 any more (that I recall), those were a rare 2 or 3 in his first 20-25 games, let alone box like Aurier.
Think the impetus boost he gives us, within it comes necessarily the risk.
I love Lamela, just hope he can now find his Roma goal form.
Edit: Sorry, late to the discussion.
Lemon
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You are right though, that it is the same thing with both Aurier and Lamela, excessive desire leading to poor choices. Just think you are thinking of this week, which was a snow game, and Rochdale did come a little physical, Lamela just matched them for me and I would have been fine if he got red (from 4-1 onwards!).
rabbikeane
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Aurier and Sissoko were the finalists in the club Uno championship. So anyone with thoughts like that can do one.
E17yid
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Is it not just that Lamela has never been sent off for us (or conceded a pen IIRC) and he’s been with us 4 years (though has been injured for a lot of that, granted)
Aurier, on the other hand, has only been with us 5 minuets and has given away 2 pens and seen red. Early days for him, though, and like has been said it’s harder as a defender as 1 mistake is highlighted. I remember Ledley saying in an interview once that it’s one of the worst things about being a defender, you can play brilliantly for 89mins and make one mistake that costs your team points and everyone will say you had a shit game but if you’re an attacker and play terribly for 89mins but score a winner then everyone will praise you.
LexingtonSpurs
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Thats odd, I figured Sanchez and Lamela were locks for an Uno championship.
steve
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I guess Poch has to make a decision on whether he stays or he can bring in someone who he considers better. Sounds like we don't have room for both.
I like Coco, especially his attitude and work rate, but I guess it's all about what's best for the team.
Streetspur77
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I'll reply to both your posts in one because it's easier.
I don't want to go and find examples of Lamela doing stupid tackles on a yellow or whatever because it's not what my post was about, and I don't want to do that for a player I like. However, I do remember the stamp on cesc, which was glorious in hindsight, but could've cost us the title as we were still winning when it happened, and its happened other times I'm certain, not to try and dig him out.
Also just because it hasn't happened in the past, that doesn't affect the future. It's clear he sometimes goes in too hard on a yellow, or just in general, even if a ref doesn't penalise it. The ref against West Ham could've not sent Aurier off but diving in like that still would be a problem.
I don't want either of them to lose that edge, but as someone who was quite pissed off at the abuse Aurier got I just couldn't understand the praise Lamela gets for the same thing.
I want them both to stay passionate but channel it correctly and I want our fans to treat players fairly, although knowing some of our fans and how good a man-manager poch is, one of those seems more likely than the other
OPModric
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Do you mean as when Alli took us out of Euro League last year?
allpaths
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I think that's just football though, they both can be ott rash, but when Lamela is, it general means we are on the front foot getting in the opponents faces and the whole team feeds of his positive energy. And through circumstance and luck, nothing horrible or costly has come from a Lamela challenge as of yet. *knock on wood*I'll reply to both your posts in one because it's easier.
I don't want to go and find examples of Lamela doing stupid tackles on a yellow or whatever because it's not what my post was about, and I don't want to do that for a player I like. However, I do remember the stamp on cesc, which was glorious in hindsight, but could've cost us the title as we were still winning when it happened, and its happened other times I'm certain, not to try and dig him out.
Also just because it hasn't happened in the past, that doesn't affect the future. It's clear he sometimes goes in too hard on a yellow, or just in general, even if a ref doesn't penalise it. The ref against West Ham could've not sent Aurier off but diving in like that still would be a problem.
I don't want either of them to lose that edge, but as someone who was quite pissed off at the abuse Aurier got I just couldn't understand the praise Lamela gets for the same thing.
I want them both to stay passionate but channel it correctly and I want our fans to treat players fairly, although knowing some of our fans and how good a man-manager poch is, one of those seems more likely than the other
Were when Aurier makes a rash challenge it is always reactionary and potentially very costly. So when you've been here as long as Serge has and he's already been sent off and conceded 2 penalties unessarily, then any footballer will and should recieve his fair amount of criticism.
ralvy
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I feel compelled to say that this is just a lot of BS. I clearly remember you calling Lamela stupid after his yellow card against Rochdale at the match thread. And you weren't alone in doing that, a few other posters did as well. So your assesment that the SC community is not being fair on their treatment of both players is false.
People calling Aurier an idiot way more often than Lamela has probably nothing to do with racism either, it's just the fact that Aurier seems to be way more prone of taking idiotic actions than Lamela. In fact, Lamela actually seems to be quite aware about the game circumstances (as opposed to Aurier) and usually acts accordingly, which would mean the people constantly calling Lamela an idiot are probably not that bright.
But I guess some people will see racism wherever they want to...
EDIT: I just wanted to add that I actually like Aurier, and I think that one full preseason under Poch will work wonders for him and he will become an essential part of our squad.
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