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MOTM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Trippier

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 14 5.6%
  • Verts

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Davies

    Votes: 3 1.2%
  • Dier

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 15 6.0%
  • Son

    Votes: 173 69.8%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 22 8.9%
  • Dele

    Votes: 6 2.4%
  • Kane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Llorente

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Poch

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 1.6%
  • None Deserved

    Votes: 4 1.6%

  • Total voters
    248

WexfordTownSpur

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Aug 2, 2007
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Gutted. We dominated the game, but our defense switched completely off two times and our poor finishing caught up with us. We definitely created the chances to go through, but we just couldn’t finish them. Our finishing have been poor lately and unfortunately it continued today. You can’t expect to win when you fall asleep like that in defense and give away so big chances to Juventus. It was two sitters and Juventus made us pay.

My MotM was Eriksen. Son had a fantastic first half, but couldn’t keep it up in the second half. Eriksen was class through the whole match. Kane did what he could, but he didn’t look sharp. For the first time it felt like his confidence was a bit low. He fought hard, but he had a couple of times where you expected him to get a shot off, but he kinda waited too long and let the chance run out. He is usually more sharp in those moments. Dele had a great first half, actually they all did, but he faded badly in the second half. Dembele and Dier bossed the midfield in the first half, but looked more and more tired as the match went on. Dier should probably have been taken out after he had that nasty collision/fall thing. Both our CBs had one of those weird games where they are playing like a 10 the whole game except two big mistakes. Jans sliding tackle was a pen and Sanchez fucked up on the second goal. Our two wingbacks showed that they are clearly not as good as Rose or Walker. Not gonna lie i think we go through with last years Rose and Walker. They just don’t offer enough for me if we want to be a top club. Not a good game by Davies.

I thought Poch had a mare. So many of our players looked tired in the second half and he wasn’t proactive enough. Or just active when Allegri made his move. He had noticed our left side struggle and put in Liechsteiner who bossed us down that side. We just looked tired and Poch is always late with the subs. I really can’t understand why he waits so long and why we didn’t use all 3 of them. So many of our players looked tired in the second half. Dele, Son, Dier, Davies, Trippier. I really thought we would have seen Rose and Lucas, to out in some energy in the team.

This loss really hurts. We where so close to rid ourselves of the “legends” stamp, but unfortunately we bottled it again. It hurts, but it’s true. Lets hope we leave the bottles at Wembley and start anew in the new stadium.
I totally agree. With last years Rose and Walker we win this game and many of the games we lost or drew! We have not been able to replace them and it shows. Plus an over reliance on Kane, needed someone else to help him, and Llorente has not.
 

mpickard2087

Patient Zero
Jun 13, 2008
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Those defeats seem to hurt the most, don't they? For the most part of the 180 minutes of the tie we have done most things right. Everything is looking fantastic... The rug then gets pulled out from underneath you, one spell where we have a little implosion, and boom. Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.

The first half seems irrelevant now, but for the most part was pretty good. A decent opening, the middle of it was more 50/50, but we then finished the half strongly and finally found the back of the net after creating quite a few openings. We looked hungrier than them, like we had more energy, the high press was working well and we were finding some nice pockets of space inbetween the lines. There were a few things I saw to concern me (more on that in minute), but on the whole all was good.

Into the second, and it's hard to pinpoint exactly what happened... We didn't have great control, but then neither did we look particularly troubled, they made some changes..... And then we fell off a cliff and all hell broke loose. Conceding those two goals so quickly seemed to knock the stuffing out of us, and we could only mount an injury time rally to try and get back into it.

I think there were multiple things that went wrong. Maybe Poch didn't react to their changes, but it all happened so quickly I'm not sure he had a chance to counter specific changes in shape. Where I do think there were warning signs, and I said at half time if anyone feels the need to go and check, was that though the high press was good in the first half, I didn't think we were doing all that well in terms of the unit of defence and cm2 in front of it. Balls were often played into the forwards, with defenders getting dragged out but not stopping the phase of play, and then midfield runners not being tracked. In that period where the damage was done this had increased and the second goal in particular came from this space between the lines and porous shield in the middle of the park and exposed defence.

I also have to say that I don't think any of this was helped by the front four. Defence starts from the front, and I felt this was an occasion, that often happens but we usually get away with it and Poch allows it, where we lose focus and the work rate drops. Son looked tired and went out of the game, Eriksen disappeared for a bit, and in particular Alli and Kane were guilty of slackening off a bit, both on and off the ball. The unit was crumbling in different areas, and in the end we got brutally punished for it in the most clinical manner. Maybe in a lot of games Poch has to strive to keep at them and not to let the work rate drop and to focus and control at all times.

Also I know there was the prospect of extra time to come (and factors like how the fuck Dembele would have lasted 120 mins), but not to use that last sub was a bit bizarre.

This wasn't a disgraceful defeat, but is a frustrating one by the finest of margins. One of those though that they just have to suck up and learn from. It's no good undoing the vast body of good work with a period of the game where we're ultimately weak individually and tactically. It's got to be learned from, and to keep making those small incremental marginal gains and to keep getting better in all aspects of what goes into a football game.

Lloris - Maybe one of those moments 2nd goal where you hope he makes himself a bit bigger or narrows the angle. You expect a striker to tuck that away one on one though.

Trippier - Decent first half, including in build up to the goal. Declined in the second half.

Sanchez - Solid first half, shakier in the second.

Vertonghen - Don't think he had a good game. Often dragged out of defence and getting nowhere near his man. Should have conceded a penalty.

Davies - Ok first half, got a bit of a pasting at times in the second. Another left chasing shadows.

Dier - Not a great defensive screen.

Dembele - And neither was he. Some occasional good moments first half with ball & when pressing, struggled to get around the pitch a tonight though and track runners I thought.

Eriksen - Some lovely stuff as per and found some great positions. Went out of the game a bit though which coincided with the turnaround in scoreline.

Son - Decent busy first half, started the second ok, then seemed to tire and for some reason shunted out to the right and never really recovered.

Alli - Some good, some not so. Drifted out of it when the team needed it, and the goals have dried up.

Kane - Another who has to work harder and lead from the front, do the dirty work and get the game seen out. Good first 30 mins as a focal point, another lovely bit of play in the build up for the goal, and then just went out of it completely. Bit disappointing, you want to be the best for me you have to set standards in all sorts of ways. Also, whatever the goal tally, it really hasn't been his best 4-6 weeks in front of goal has it?

Subs:
Lamela - Did some Lamela things.
Llorente - Won a few headers and caused a couple of moments of brief panic.
 

JimmyG2

SC Supporter
Dec 7, 2006
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We missed good opportunities to go 2 up
when we controlled the first half
and our goal was fortunate.
We got away with a nailed on penalty decision
and they had several arguable fouls in the area.
Dier (6) and Dembele(6) were uninspiring
and Dembele was knackered with 20 minutes to go.
Out-thunk tactically second half.
Errors by Davies, playing them onside and Sanchez .
A pity but no shame.
Harry almost snatched the replay at the death.
We didn't bottle it and Juventus are one of the top European teams.
We were a bit sloppy front and back and paid the price.


Eriksen MOM 8; Son 7+. Rest 6+ more or less.

Good performance over the two ties.and run in the CL.
Close but no cigar.
Now we can concentrate on finishing top four
and winning the cup.
 

OPModric

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May 10, 2010
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What do you offer, other than utterly clueless opinions ?

He offers an opinion on a player, not, as you, on a poster on a forum. And that seems to be the case almost every time someone points out the obvious that he is not good enough.
 

Cravenspurs

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Jul 31, 2011
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A young team for the most part going up against a seasoned CL team with veterans like Buffon, Chiellini, Matuidi, Barzagl, Lichsteiner, Khedira, and some younger quality in Dybala and Pjanic.

I mean this is a classic script of young up and comers throwing haymakers all game and then getting caught by the ropeadope.

I don't see the need to overreact from that display. We played 60 really good minutes where we got away with a penalty and scored on a whiff of a kick. We outclassed the older team and brought the fight to them.

We had chances...too many in fact. I got the feeling something bad was going to happen after all our chances came to nothing. But we kept going and bam, hit by the older, wiser side on two shots. You really can't blame any individual or coach, you just have to applaud the opposing team for never losing focus. Just like we fought back in the first game, they didn't fold and with a tactical switch, put two on the board.

Could Sanchez not follow the fat Argentinian and just sit on his line? Sure, but we play that risk all the time and the two south americans linked up brilliantly. Could Dembele imposed himself a bit more in the second half? Surely, but he was also playing it safe and was a secure outlet.

All in all I am proud of the guys and I hope they learn a great deal from this match. I also hope Poch learns to adopt a different strategy a bit quicker. All in all I think we had a tremendous run against the hardest group and then a top-top team in the knock out rounds. We didn't get the luck of the draw and land Porto or Basel. We got the mighty Juve and fuck me we took it to them for 155 minutes.
 

coys200

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May 22, 2017
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Unfortunately Davinson Sanchez was at fault for both goals. He was closest to kheidera for the header on the 1st. Although Dier ran straight past him,so you could argue was Dier who should have picked him up.It’s a shame as up to that point after Son he was probably MOTM. Currently Sanchez is 90% great 10% rubbish. It’s hugely disappointing to come so close. But as in the PL well even more so we’ve been punching the whole campaign. With Liverpool united or city draws we’d have walked into 1/4 final.
 

Univarn

Lost. Probably Not Worth Finding.
Jul 20, 2017
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I'll never understand why after a tough loss in a game of margins where they capitalized on errors made by multiple players people feel the need to single one out and crap all over them. The first Juve goal you could pick out a good 6 players who were caught wanting. The second had a good 3 who failed to read the situation and react. That happens over the course of the game. On our goal they had several who failed to deal with the situation. Some things you just don't get punished for. Like letting Kane have a header in the final minutes and the ball bouncing just wrong off the post and inches beyond Lamela... it happens.
 

isaac94

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Jan 5, 2017
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I'll never understand why after a tough loss in a game of margins where they capitalized on errors made by multiple players people feel the need to single one out and crap all over them. The first Juve goal you could pick out a good 6 players who were caught wanting. The second had a good 3 who failed to read the situation and react. That happens over the course of the game. On our goal they had several who failed to deal with the situation. Some things you just don't get punished for. Like letting Kane have a header in the final minutes and the ball bouncing just wrong off the post and inches beyond Lamela... it happens.
Finally some rational logic
 

Bulletspur

The Reasonable Advocate
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Oct 17, 2006
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Deep breath everyone. We lost a football match. To a top team in Europe. Yeah, it hurts. But we still have a fantastic side, and not only will we be back, but we still have things to play for this season.

COYS!
There is losing and there is losing. It depends on the way how you lose. I am pissed of because I firmly believe that we would have won that game but for Poch's poor tactics, naivety, poor game management or whatever you want to call it. We beat ourselves, Juventus did not and our lads did me proud, our Manager did not
 

walton

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Feb 28, 2006
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A young team for the most part going up against a seasoned CL team with veterans like Buffon, Chiellini, Matuidi, Barzagl, Lichsteiner, Khedira, and some younger quality in Dybala and Pjanic.

I mean this is a classic script of young up and comers throwing haymakers all game and then getting caught by the ropeadope.

I don't see the need to overreact from that display. We played 60 really good minutes where we got away with a penalty and scored on a whiff of a kick. We outclassed the older team and brought the fight to them.

We had chances...too many in fact. I got the feeling something bad was going to happen after all our chances came to nothing. But we kept going and bam, hit by the older, wiser side on two shots. You really can't blame any individual or coach, you just have to applaud the opposing team for never losing focus. Just like we fought back in the first game, they didn't fold and with a tactical switch, put two on the board.

Could Sanchez not follow the fat Argentinian and just sit on his line? Sure, but we play that risk all the time and the two south americans linked up brilliantly. Could Dembele imposed himself a bit more in the second half? Surely, but he was also playing it safe and was a secure outlet.

All in all I am proud of the guys and I hope they learn a great deal from this match. I also hope Poch learns to adopt a different strategy a bit quicker. All in all I think we had a tremendous run against the hardest group and then a top-top team in the knock out rounds. We didn't get the luck of the draw and land Porto or Basel. We got the mighty Juve and fuck me we took it to them for 155 minutes.

Agree to a certain extenet, although you're overplayng our 'chances' massively. Sure, we had loads of ball in the final third, but how many chances did we actually create?

We lost on the night, and ddi well over the two legs, but were beaten by a team who know how to win on this stage. On reflection, we lost the tie during the first leg due to some amateur defending, and finishing.
 

13VanDerBale13

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Jul 12, 2011
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It's the hope that kills you.

Son MOTM.

Would have liked Rose to start in place of Davies, I don't think he's good enough going forward for the Champions League.

agreed with rose starting instead of davies, baffling how some thought davies wasn't suspect in the second half
 

Gedson100

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Feb 13, 2012
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this game could easily have gone either way, some of the personal criticism of players in this instance is actually ludicrous.
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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There is losing and there is losing. It depends on the way how you lose. I am pissed of because I firmly believe that we would have won that game but for Poch's poor tactics, naivety, poor game management or whatever you want to call it. We beat ourselves, Juventus did not and our lads did me proud, our Manager did not

We had 23 shots and 6 on target, we breached them a number of times and had them scrambling for balls and blocking shots so Poch's tactics actually worked, over both legs we had 35 (thirty five) shots and 12 on target. What you're focusing on is seminal moments in a football match which could have happened at ANY POINT over the course of 180 mins. It's all well and good saying the manager should have done this or done that but you're purely talking in hindsight so throwing blame on the manager is utter nonsense, this is football and it's something we just need to learn from.
 

Bulletspur

The Reasonable Advocate
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Oct 17, 2006
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Into the second, and it's hard to pinpoint exactly what happened... .
You must be looking through the same glasses as Poch! I can tell you what happened. Their Manager made a tactical change and went 442 instead of 351 and Poch did not respond, simple. I could see the goals coming and wasn't surprised that they took the game from us because of Poch's lack of response to the changes Juventus made.
 

whitesocks

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Credit to Son who was great in the first half, but he faded. With Kane marked out the game, we don't have anyone else with a goal in them - not with Eriksen playing deeper, and not cashing in on our dominant periods cost us. Generally, we need more of a goal threat from all players.

I would love to have seen Dier sort that bastard Barzagli out, even at the cost of being sent off. But I guess they were under orders not to be provoked and in any case Dier was identified and eliminated.
We went out with a whimper, which is disappointing - not even Lamela got booked..

Eriksen MOTM.
 

werty

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You must be looking through the same glasses as Poch! I can tell you what happened. Their Manager made a tactical change and went 442 instead of 351 and Poch did not respond, simple. I could see the goals coming and wasn't surprised that they took the game from us because of Poch's lack of response to the changes Juventus made.
The decision to go from 10 men to 11 really was a game changer.
 

mpickard2087

Patient Zero
Jun 13, 2008
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You must be looking through the same glasses as Poch! I can tell you what happened. Their Manager made a tactical change and went 442 instead of 351 and Poch did not respond, simple. I could see the goals coming and wasn't surprised that they took the game from us because of Poch's lack of response to the changes Juventus made.

That's far too simplified and picking the obvious target. The goals came so quickly after the change of shape, it would have been hard for any manager to make changes based on that evidence. As I said in the rest of my post, there were other factors at play... When they managed to pass our high press we had space between the lines and a poor shape between our defence and cm2 all game which allowed them some joy to pick up the ball, was that to blame and should have been addressed? but was that issue compounded by the press failing due to the front four dropping in output in the second half and so we failed as a unit?

So many factors other than 'well they did this shape, so we should have done this', and whilst as I say there were things I might have changed if it was me, the lightening quick and brutal turnaround did make things quite hard for a manager there.
 
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