The Mauricio Pochettino thread

spursfast · Mar 9, 2018

double0 said:
you have to have faith.

He's doing everything right, remember the Wembley hoodoo he smashed that the man is relentless a pure football nut.

yes, we have got over Wembley hoodoo, but can we beat a united at Wembley in a semi-final or final, a game that everything was riding on, we don't know as we haven't done it, look what happened the other day on a game that really counted, we couldn't do it

tiger666 · Mar 9, 2018

spursfast said:
yes, we have got over Wembley hoodoo, but can we beat a united at Wembley in a semi-final or final, a game that everything was riding on, we don't know as we haven't done it, look what happened the other day on a game that really counted, we couldn't do it

How many more times do you want to mention this? The group games against the likes of Real Madrid also "really counted".

mark87 · Mar 9, 2018

spursfast said:
yes, we have got over Wembley hoodoo, but can we beat a united at Wembley in a semi-final or final, a game that everything was riding on, we don't know as we haven't done it, look what happened the other day on a game that really counted, we couldn't do it

double0 · Mar 9, 2018

spursfast said:
yes, we have got over Wembley hoodoo, but can we beat a united at Wembley in a semi-final or final, a game that everything was riding on, we don't know as we haven't done it, look what happened the other day on a game that really counted, we couldn't do it

I guess you are a Spurs fan. You must recognise the improvements and how far we've come in this project ie stadium CL football and league positions competing in cups. It sounds like you're not on board with Pcohettihno.

can I ask you , who do you feel is a better solution?

Graysonti · Mar 9, 2018

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spursfast said:
yes, we have got over Wembley hoodoo, but can we beat a united at Wembley in a semi-final or final, a game that everything was riding on, we don't know as we haven't done it, look what happened the other day on a game that really counted, we couldn't do it

Lol

Lilbaz · Mar 9, 2018

milli.com said:
How much is Levy paying you?
All the Poch Supporters always reference the year AVB left and Tim took over to show we have improved giving the impression we were a poor team.
In Redknapps time he did well with a WORSE SQUAD than we have now and he achieved some good league positions and the common consensus on here, is that Redknapp was not the greatest manager. 2009 we went champions league Redknapp got 4th again but we never qualified because chelsea won the cup and in the bad years we were coming 5th bar 6th once,Yes we have improved with 3rd and 2nd, means more money for Levy but its the same CL that Redknapp gave us in 2009.
I think Poch has been blessed with a very good squad it can improve but its a squad that is capable of winning things now
the Poch supporters reference how much other teams are paying for players and were lucky to be where we are, but how much would are players cost if we sold them.
I told my brother we were going to lose against Juventus I told him you cannot play Trippier Davies and Dier its too many players to carry against top teams when it really matters.
I also predicted when we were drawn against Juve that we will lose because Tactically Poch is inferior to Allergi.
Poch has improved us but why is it a problem when someone feels with the squad he has we should expect to win trophies especially when it makes it easier to keep your best players happy.

Some of us appreciate what redknapp did for us.

PeeEyeEmPee · Mar 9, 2018

tiger666 said:
How many more times do you want to mention this? The group games against the likes of Real Madrid also "really counted".

to be fair, the Real Madrid games were more of a free hit than anything. we didn't have to win either of them, and we certainly weren't expected to. they were two brilliant performances without a shadow of a doubt, but had we lost both games 3-0 the general opinion would've been "yeah but it's Real Madrid".

I do think we've still got to prove (to ourselves as much as anything) that we can win do-or-die games like a cup final or big knockout tie without the ready-made fall-back of "well they're better/richer than us, what did we really expect?"

spursfan77 · Mar 9, 2018

Has he got a press conference today?

Will be an interesting one if he does. Hopefully he has good news regarding the players reaction to losing. I hope they aren’t sulking but ready to go out and win Sunday.

Dougal · Mar 9, 2018

double0 said:
I guess you are a Spurs fan. You must recognise the improvements and how far we've come in this project ie stadium CL football and league positions competing in cups. It sounds like you're not on board with Pcohettihno.

can I ask you , who do you feel is a better solution?

PeeEyeEmPee · Mar 9, 2018

milli.com said:
How much is Levy paying you?
All the Poch Supporters always reference the year AVB left and Tim took over to show we have improved giving the impression we were a poor team.
In Redknapps time he did well with a WORSE SQUAD than we have now and he achieved some good league positions and the common consensus on here, is that Redknapp was not the greatest manager. 2009 we went champions league Redknapp got 4th again but we never qualified because chelsea won the cup and in the bad years we were coming 5th bar 6th once,Yes we have improved with 3rd and 2nd, means more money for Levy but its the same CL that Redknapp gave us in 2009.
I think Poch has been blessed with a very good squad it can improve but its a squad that is capable of winning things now
the Poch supporters reference how much other teams are paying for players and were lucky to be where we are, but how much would are players cost if we sold them.
I told my brother we were going to lose against Juventus I told him you cannot play Trippier Davies and Dier its too many players to carry against top teams when it really matters.
I also predicted when we were drawn against Juve that we will lose because Tactically Poch is inferior to Allergi.
Poch has improved us but why is it a problem when someone feels with the squad he has we should expect to win trophies especially when it makes it easier to keep your best players happy.

it's like a cult in here sometimes, although not just here to be fair. unless you stick to the mantra that Pochettino rescued us from oblivion, couldn't possibly do any better than he's done up till now, is the only one that can lead us into the promised land, and we'd be hurtling straight back into oblivion should he decide to leave, then you must hate him/not appreciate him, want him out, and don't remember just how crap we used to be for the whole of the 90s. there's no middle ground at all. it's like people are so shit-scared he'll catch wind of any "negativity" and just decide he doesn't need it or us anymore. and then where would we be....huh?

f**k's sake, calm down people. for the most part, we ALL think he's done/is doing a brilliant job. but that's not to say there aren't big mistakes he's made, or that he couldn't have done some things better. this constant justification of everything he does or attacking any criticism whether valid or not is really tiresome. we're all supposed to be fans, not fanboys and fangirls

Led's Zeppelin · Mar 9, 2018

PeeEyeEmPee said:
to be fair, the Real Madrid games were more of a free hit than anything. we didn't have to win either of them, and we certainly weren't expected to. they were two brilliant performances without a shadow of a doubt, but had we lost both games 3-0 the general opinion would've been "yeah but it's Real Madrid".

I do think we've still got to prove (to ourselves as much as anything) that we can win do-or-die games like a cup final or big knockout tie without the ready-made fall-back of "well they're better/richer than us, what did we really expect?"

As well as dismissing the RM matches when qualification was genuinely being contested, do you not count the away performance at Juve? Do you believe that coming back from the worst possible start to draw the game supports the argument that we haven’t got the qualities it takes to get important results? Like all cup games, it was another crucial step on the way, a big match in its own right. The fact that we subsequently lost at Wembley doesn’t retrospectively mean that we could have afforded to lose at Juve. We couldnt afford to lose, and we didn’t. That was a huge result in its own right.

Football games are sometimes tight, and I dislike the revisionist thinking that happens as soon as a goal is scored that settles a result that could genuinely have gone either way, right up to the final whistle.

Spurs dominated both matches and came a post’s width away from beating last year’s finalists. I can’t accept that because one more of our many shots didn’t quite go in proves that there’s some deep, fundamental problem with the manager.

Gb160 · Mar 9, 2018

PeeEyeEmPee said:
it's like a cult in here sometimes, although not just here to be fair. unless you stick to the mantra that Pochettino rescued us from oblivion, couldn't possibly do any better than he's done up till now, is the only one that can lead us into the promised land, and we'd be hurtling straight back into oblivion should he decide to leave, then you must hate him/not appreciate him, want him out, and don't remember just how crap we used to be for the whole of the 90s. there's no middle ground at all. it's like people are so shit-scared he'll catch wind of any "negativity" and just decide he doesn't need it or us anymore. and then where would we be....huh?

f**k's sake, calm down people. for the most part, we ALL think he's done/is doing a brilliant job. but that's not to say there aren't big mistakes he's made, or that he couldn't have done some things better. this constant justification of everything he does or attacking any criticism whether valid or not is really tiresome. we're all supposed to be fans, not fanboys and fangirls

No ones attacking his opinion about Redknapp/Poch.
Its getting negged because of the bollocks about 'I told my brother we were going to lose'.

Just to be clear I don't agree with any of the post, but the way its put across is bound to rile people up, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but everyone's entitled to strongly disagree with these opinions as well.

Shadydan · Mar 9, 2018

Gb160 said:
No ones attacking his opinion about Redknapp/Poch.
Its getting negged because of the bollocks about 'I told my brother we were going to lose'.

Just to be clear I don't agree with any of the post, but the way its put across is bound to rile people up, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but everyone's entitled to strongly disagree with these opinions as well.

I'm absolutely amazed that you've had to explain that.

mark87 · Mar 9, 2018

Shadydan said:
I'm absolutely amazed that you've had to explain that.

Are you? I'm not.

PeeEyeEmPee · Mar 9, 2018

Led's Zeppelin said:
As well as dismissing the RM matches when qualification was genuinely being contested, do you not count the away performance at Juve? Do you believe that coming back from the worst possible start to draw the game supports the argument that we haven’t got the qualities it takes to get important results? Like all cup games, it was another crucial step on the way, a big match in its own right. The fact that we subsequently lost at Wembley doesn’t retrospectively mean that we could have afforded to lose at Juve. We couldnt afford to lose, and we didn’t. That was a huge result in its own right.

Football games are sometimes tight, and I dislike the revisionist thinking that happens as soon as a goal is scored that settles a result that could genuinely have gone either way, right up to the final whistle.

Spurs dominated both matches and came a post’s width away from beating last year’s finalists. I can’t accept that because one more of our many shots didn’t quite go in proves that there’s some deep, fundamental problem with the manager.

I haven't dismissed the Real games at all, but no-one in their right mind would have been able to criticise us for losing both games if we had done so. best-case scenario for most of us was winning the other games and taking whatever we could from the Real games. we exceeded expectations in that regard, and yes qualification was still being contested, but let's not pretend that was a must-win scenario, especially as we were already 6 points ahead of Dortmund at that point if I recall correctly. I'm not trivialising either of the performances in any way, because they were f**ing amazing, but that's not the point being made here.

Juve away was another great performance, especially in coming back from 2 goals down. but it's a two-legged tie, and we can't take the one game in isolation. we could've afforded to lose that game 2-0 or 2-1 and we still wouldn't have been out, so I'm not sure your argument is valid. either way, we lost the tie overall, and for most people it's "well it was a seasoned Juve team who do this time and again. the team will learn and get better", which is all fair enough but just proves the point. Juve would have got slaughtered back home for going out on Wednesday, whereas that wasn't the case for us at all. the next step in our development is to be able to win these win-or-its-over games and ties.

I don't think it's particularly egregious to suggest we still have a way to go to learn to get over the hump. I'm sure we'll get there too, but IMO we're not there now. for that to be interpreted as some deep fundamental flaw with the manager just confirms my earlier point. you can't make any critique on here, no matter how reasoned and objective it is, without it being taken as an assassination of the manager's abilities. for all his great work up till now, he hasn't won anything ever, so the suggestion that he still needs to learn shouldn't really offend anybody the way it always seems to. it's not like the argument is that he's incapable of doing so, just that he clearly still needs to.

marion52 · Mar 9, 2018

We have really improved as a team, games we previously would have lost we have drawn /won. We never give up. Apart from City this season when was the last time we conceded more than 2.
However we have still lost the games that really matter, apart from Juve we lost FA semi last season, league cup final in 2015,
Then the season we were chasing Leicester we fell apart at the end.
So there is still room for Poch to improve the team, the bigger question is will he have the time, and I don’t mean him being sacked, I mean keeping the team together with just a tweak here and there.

Disappointment this week but we have to believe

spursfast · Mar 9, 2018

double0 said:
I guess you are a Spurs fan. You must recognise the improvements and how far we've come in this project ie stadium CL football and league positions competing in cups. It sounds like you're not on board with Pcohettihno.

can I ask you , who do you feel is a better solution?

100% on board with poch, can't imagine anyone else, we just got to get beyond competing to winning (cups)... but well get there, I'm sure

Led's Zeppelin · Mar 9, 2018

PeeEyeEmPee said:
I haven't dismissed the Real games at all, but no-one in their right mind would have been able to criticise us for losing both games if we had done so. best-case scenario for most of us was winning the other games and taking whatever we could from the Real games. we exceeded expectations in that regard, and yes qualification was still being contested, but let's not pretend that was a must-win scenario, especially as we were already 6 points ahead of Dortmund at that point if I recall correctly. I'm not trivialising either of the performances in any way, because they were f**ing amazing, but that's not the point being made here.

Juve away was another great performance, especially in coming back from 2 goals down. but it's a two-legged tie, and we can't take the one game in isolation. we could've afforded to lose that game 2-0 or 2-1 and we still wouldn't have been out, so I'm not sure your argument is valid. either way, we lost the tie overall, and for most people it's "well it was a seasoned Juve team who do this time and again. the team will learn and get better", which is all fair enough but just proves the point. Juve would have got slaughtered back home for going out on Wednesday, whereas that wasn't the case for us at all. the next step in our development is to be able to win these win-or-its-over games and ties.

I don't think it's particularly egregious to suggest we still have a way to go to learn to get over the hump. I'm sure we'll get there too, but IMO we're not there now. for that to be interpreted as some deep fundamental flaw with the manager just confirms my earlier point. you can't make any critique on here, no matter how reasoned and objective it is, without it being taken as an assassination of the manager's abilities. for all his great work up till now, he hasn't won anything ever, so the suggestion that he still needs to learn shouldn't really offend anybody the way it always seems to. it's not like the argument is that he's incapable of doing so, just that he clearly still needs to.

I’ll tell you what is egregious. It’s the opinion that unless you win a trophy, you’ve achieved nothing.

What Pochettino has done has got us into a position where we can play the world’s best teams and feel gutted if we don’t beat them despite outplaying them for most of the time.

Yes, we all desperately want us to get better and win the PL and the CL. That we can now say that sort of thing with a straight face is a sign of how much progress we’re making.

But some people are incapable of framing this type of thing in anything other than negative terms, which I believe reflects more on them than it does on anything that’s currently happening at Spurs.

PeeEyeEmPee · Mar 9, 2018

Led's Zeppelin said:
I’ll tell you what is egregious. It’s the opinion that unless you win a trophy, you’ve achieved nothing.

What Pochettino has done has got us into a position where we can play the world’s best teams and feel gutted if we don’t beat them despite outplaying them for most of the time.

Yes, we all desperately want us to get better and win the PL and the CL. That we can now say that sort of thing with a straight face is a sign of how much progress we’re making.

But some people are incapable of framing this type of thing in anything other than negative terms, which I believe reflects more on them than it does on anything that’s currently happening at Spurs.

this is a pretty pointless conversation if you're going to insist on countering arguments I'm not even making

Led's Zeppelin · Mar 9, 2018

PeeEyeEmPee said:
this is a pretty pointless conversation if you're going to insist on countering arguments I'm not even making

I'm not trying to counter arguments you're making. I'm discussing things, with you.

This isn't about you.

I'm talking about the whole issue. Don't take it so personally.

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