Lilbaz
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We haven't won a league in over 50 years and haven't won the fa cup in over 20. We have been in the cl 3 times. We are not an elite club.
We can be in the future but not yet.
Are we now a big club and one of the worlds richest
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We haven't won a league in over 50 years and haven't won the fa cup in over 20. We have been in the cl 3 times. We are not an elite club.
We can be in the future but not yet.
Lemon
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Unless, perhaps, you place financial before elite. We do seem to be morphing both on and off the pitch into an Elite Club.
According to 'the secret', perhaps all we now need is to collectively believe we are becoming an elite team. Maybe it's our history which inhibits this (we always lose to Chelsea, Spursy...)
Shadydan
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If any other club were in our situation and their fans were saying that they're an 'elite' team we'd scoff at it and look at the trophy count, finance is irrelevant in that aspect especially when there are 5 other clubs who can pay significantly more than us to their players.
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King of Otters
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We're moving in the right direction, but this isn't an Arab takeover. Progress is incremental, and we should start by aiming to compete with likes of Liverpool and Arsenal financially before we start thinking about elite level £300k wages.
stevenurse
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Disregarding the OP as extremely optimistic, I don't get the outrage regarding footballers wages when compared to other 'entertainers'.
It's hacky and a flawed argument. Do singers earning 20m+ per tour get criticised for their earnings? Do actors who get 15m+ for a film get that thrown at them if they are in a stinker?
It's hacky and a flawed argument. Do singers earning 20m+ per tour get criticised for their earnings? Do actors who get 15m+ for a film get that thrown at them if they are in a stinker?
Wheeler Dealer
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Harsh facts, but very true
Shadydan
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No, for some reason people single out footballers for being 'thick' and therefore shouldn't be earning high wages, it's just working class snobbery at the end of the day
tommo84
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Don't subscribe to the idea that there's 'no reason' why we can't play our players £250k a week. It will still take years of repaying the stadium debt, consistently selling out the stadium and growing our overseas fan base before we can match the wage bills of the 'elite' clubs. What we should be able to do is give competitive contracts to Kane and one or two others but even that isn't simple as once one or two players move up a wage bracket then the rest of the starting XI will want parity.
As for the outrage at what footballers earn, I don't have a problem with it in ethical terms but am in favour of some capping being imposed. Having a team cap, but not individual caps makes for very interesting moves in US sports as even the best teams have to juggle the demands of their best players with meeting the cap requirements.
As for the outrage at what footballers earn, I don't have a problem with it in ethical terms but am in favour of some capping being imposed. Having a team cap, but not individual caps makes for very interesting moves in US sports as even the best teams have to juggle the demands of their best players with meeting the cap requirements.
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TBF you don't get 50,000 people in a cinema chanting 'there's only one Al Pacino', the two aren't in any way comparable
My onion, of course.
al_pacino
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Comparing with other entertainment mediums is a touch flawed too because if actors find themselves in too many stinkers they do find themselves earning less the music biz can be very fickle too. Not so many five year contracts with guaranteed earnings in those industries.
I think for years players were well underpaid bearing in mind what clubs were earning but in some cases it's gone a bit far the other way with bang average players(comparatively speaking) earning too much.
Lilbaz
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TBF you don't get 50,000 people in a cinema chanting 'there's only one Al Pacino', the two aren't in any way comparable
My onion, of course.
Also you're not paying £1000 a year for the privilege.
al_pacino
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TBF you don't get 50,000 people in a cinema chanting 'there's only one Al Pacino', the two aren't in any way comparable
My onion, of course.
Lilbaz
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Put it in perspective byerns top earner (lewandowski) is on £160k a week.
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leffe186
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Interesting. I know BM were fourth in the Deloitte money league with more commercial income than any other club in the world, and they usually have a wage bill more than twice ours. Last records show theirs was 265M Euro. Do they have a more bonus-driven scheme or do they simply pay all of their players a shit-ton of money?
Locotoro
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I must be the only person thinking a wage cap is a bad idea. I suspect it will actually push up the salaries of the middle earners rather than limit the top earners and club would end up paying more of their revenue in salaries.
If you cap the salaries at say 150k everyone will push for that salary and then use some neat accounting trick like performance related bonus payments or sponsorship % revenue to boost it to higher levels. Clubs would end up paying more.
There is a problem but I don't think that is the solution
stevenurse
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Exactly. There's even a song about how we're by far the greatest team, the world has ever seen.
We wouldn't be allowed to sing it if it wasn't true...
jurgen
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Johnny Depp's films don't make much on top of his wages compared to most other big actors, and the fucker plays the same character in every film these days.
