Player Watch: Moussa Sissoko

Johnny J · Mar 18, 2018

yankspurs said:
Did well enough today. Certainly not great like some on here are portraying it. But he didnt fuck up and did his job so kudos. I fear that this will give Poch the excuse he was looking for to start playing him alot again.

There's some strange logic at play in this post.

Playing well will give Poch a reason (sorry, excuse) to start playing him more? That's your argument? You make it sound like Poch has some ulterior motivation to select Sissoko.

Shadydan · Mar 18, 2018

Bus-Conductor said:
Yes, because those touches were so similar.

What an inane bore you are.

I'm beginning to question whether you support Spurs because you're a fan or whether you support Spurs just to tear down certain players to satisfy your agenda?, you really have hit new levels of ridiculousness on this Sissoko bashing.

Sad thing is it's obvious to everyone what your game is and it's fucking boring.

The Apprentice · Mar 18, 2018

Phomesy said:
Odd. Not sure what you are disagreeing with. The stats - interceptions; passing; tackles; touches and influence on the game back up my post. Did you watch a different game?

Just rewatched the game. It was in fact one of the best central midfield performances I have ever seen. The complete package.

Archibald&Crooks · Mar 18, 2018

The Apprentice said:
Just rewatched the game. It was in fact one of the best central midfield performances I have ever seen. The complete package.

I'm preeeetty sure you're exaggerating there

I think plenty of people, if not the majority, don't particularly rate Sissoko that highly but they are willing to admit that he did OK and played well yesterday but that doesn't mean they suddenly think he's Iniesta or something. Why can't you be one of them? It won't kill you you know

Shadydan · Mar 18, 2018

Yeah the need for black and white arguments all the time is annoying, I'm sure people can actually acknowledge that he played a good game yesterday without going into hyperbole just to enhance their point.

Vincent30 · Mar 18, 2018

scat1620 said:
I'm genuinely not trying to make a cheap dig at Sissoko with this post, but that quote above is over-egging the pudding to a ridiculous degree.

Haha! I get where you are coming from.... to expand on what i mean by that, the general consensus amongst fans on here with Sissoko even before he has kicked a ball he is shit, his score is -4 out of 10. With that in mind, even when he plays well or does just the basics we need, we get the, he's rubbish, did he see that shot he scuffed blah blah blah.

He may have had one or two below par performances, but over the course of this season i think he has done well for us and this is shown by the trust our manager Poch has in him. Think the people still getting on his back just can't admit he has done a good squad job for us this season and without moaning to the press or being this bad apple that some though he might be.

southlondonyiddo · Mar 18, 2018

Archibald&Crooks said:
I'm preeeetty sure you're exaggerating there

I think plenty of people, if not the majority, don't particularly rate Sissoko that highly but they are willing to admit that he did OK and played well yesterday but that doesn't mean they suddenly think he's Iniesta or something. Why can't you be one of them? It won't kill you you know

Pisses all over Iniesta atm

Jgplk1 · Mar 18, 2018

Bus-Conductor said:
Yes, because those touches were so similar.

What an inane bore you are.

Ha ha mate it's you that's getting boring. I don't think anyone is saying he's all of a sudden an amazing player, but he did play well yesterday. Dunno why it's so hard for you to admit that. Especially as one of the reasons you always say Eriksen played well is because of how many times he touches the ball.

scat1620 · Mar 18, 2018

Archibald&Crooks said:
I'm preeeetty sure you're exaggerating there

I think plenty of people, if not the majority, don't particularly rate Sissoko that highly but they are willing to admit that he did OK and played well yesterday but that doesn't mean they suddenly think he's Iniesta or something. Why can't you be one of them? It won't kill you you know

To be fair, The Apprentice's replies were in response to Phomesy claiming that yesterday's performance from Sissoko was "one of the best CM displays we've seen at Spurs this season ... linking defence to offence as good as any midfield destroyer over the years", which - even though Sissoko's performance was fine and perfectly respectable yesterday - is an absolutely laughable overstatement.

I think plenty of people, if not the majority, don't particularly rate Sissoko that highly but they are willing to admit that he did OK and played well yesterday, but that doesn't mean that the people who think he's not given enough credit have to totally go to the other end of the spectrum and make out like he's Iniesta or something. Why can't Phomesy be one of them? It won't kill him you know

Archibald&Crooks · Mar 18, 2018

scat1620 said:
To be fair, The Apprentice's replies were in response to Phomesy claiming that yesterday's performance from Sissoko was "one of the best CM displays we've seen at Spurs this season ... linking defence to offence as good as any midfield destroyer over the years", which - even though Sissoko's performance was fine and perfectly respectable yesterday - is an absolutely laughable overstatement.

I think plenty of people, if not the majority, don't particularly rate Sissoko that highly but they are willing to admit that he did OK and played well yesterday, but that doesn't mean that the people who think he's not given enough credit have to totally go to the other end of the spectrum and make out like he's Iniesta or something. Why can't Phomesy be one of them? It won't kill him you know

He is 'one of them'

Phomesy said:
Now it was against a very poor Swansea - so you factor that in. No one expects him to be Makelele. But today he was genuinely very very good

So, maybe a little over the top on the one hand and you might disagree with it, but he's at least tried to be balanced. There's none of that at all coming back from the posters he engaged with. None.

Be fair with that please

The Doc · Mar 18, 2018

Is this a continuation of last weekend's match thread?

Phomesy · Mar 18, 2018

scat1620 said:
To be fair, The Apprentice's replies were in response to Phomesy claiming that yesterday's performance from Sissoko was "one of the best CM displays we've seen at Spurs this season ... linking defence to offence as good as any midfield destroyer over the years", which - even though Sissoko's performance was fine and perfectly respectable yesterday - is an absolutely laughable overstatement.

I think plenty of people, if not the majority, don't particularly rate Sissoko that highly but they are willing to admit that he did OK and played well yesterday, but that doesn't mean that the people who think he's not given enough credit have to totally go to the other end of the spectrum and make out like he's Iniesta or something. Why can't Phomesy be one of them? It won't kill him you know

Of course you didn't quote the rest of that post did you? Where I point out it was against poor opposition.

I say again - the stats all point to Sissoko's performance being one of the best CM performances by any Spurs player this season. He saw as much of the ball as our best player, Eriksen, his pass completion was excellent, he launched many of our breaks; moved the ball from defence to offence in the way Pochettino says he does better than any other player on our list (his words not mine

). He broke up play with tackles, got forward to have several (poor) shots. And got an assist.

If that was Dembele we'd be raving. Rightly so. Well, BC wouldn't be because he slates Dembele too - but you get the point.

Yesterday, Sissoko put in one of the best CM displays by any Spurs player this year. It's not a matter of opinion - its a matter of fact. Does this make him one of our best CM's? Of course not. Does it mean I'd prefer him to start over Dier/Wanyama/Dembele? Of course not. Which is why I didn't say any of those things.

I just congratulated a Spurs player on an excellent individual performance. Which it was. Can't understand why people have a problem with that.

And I feel sad for those so embittered that would prefer to slag off Spurs players rather than support them. Baffling.

Bus-Conductor · Mar 18, 2018

Vincent30 said:
Sissoko is a CM, he started his career there and even after many argue on here that he isn't a CM, i think we can put that to bed.

Another strong performance, i think he has been a very good squad player for us this year, always fit, never plays badly. Does a shift and goes about his business without moaning and i'm slowly starting to see less negativity on here about him.... which is about time. Fair play to him for getting on with it this season.

When he starts getting picked to play as a proper CM in meaningful games, come back at us. Until then, when he's only being trusted in ad hoc cup games, I'd stop making sweeping statements about him being a CM. He isn't.

Sissoko played about 6 games as a CM in his first few starts for Toulouse, after that he rarely played as a pure CM again, unless Capoue, Didot or one of the other regular deeper options were out. For almost the entire time Sissoko played at Toulouse they played a 4141 with Capoue as the 1 behind Didot at the base of a 4 diamond, with Sissoko either right AM or ACM in that diamond.

Then at Newcastle he predominantly played in the attacking 3 of a 433, very occasionally in the CM3. But even then it was two strong CM's like Tiote and Cabaye.

Even for France, he's ,mostly played as an AM (which is where Deschamps used him in the Euros).

scat1620 · Mar 18, 2018

Phomesy said:
Yesterday, Sissoko put in one of the best CM displays by any Spurs player this year. It's not a matter of opinion - its a matter of fact.

tttcowan · Mar 18, 2018

He played well. But it's one game and Swansea were utterly awful. It's a good thing no doubt but let's not get ridiculous.

southlondonyiddo · Mar 18, 2018

A lot of people slagging off Sissoko even when he does well probably rated Carroll

Wasn’t even a contest yesterday.

Man v Lost boy

bomberH · Mar 18, 2018

Phomesy said:
Yesterday, Sissoko put in one of the best CM displays by any Spurs player this year. It's not a matter of opinion - its a matter of fact.
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Exaggerated statement aside (for me, Dembele’s 4 performances in a row against the bigguns recently were all better than that) you do realise that something that is 0.1% disputable can’t be a fact...

My take on it is Sissoko played well yesterday overall and I’m happy to leave it at that. Personally, I don’t understand the ‘another good performance from Sissoko’ comments and I certainly don’t think it’s anywhere near the best CM performance this year - Dembele, Dier and Winks have all had better performances in my opinion.... but based solely on yesterday’s game then he played well, a vast improvement on his usual game. If he played like that week in week out then I’d say he was a good squad player and a decent Dembele back up, but he doesn’t play anything like that usually. I do think their tactics (lack of) helped a lot but you can only play against what’s in front of you.

Bus-Conductor · Mar 18, 2018

Phomesy said:
Of course you didn't quote the rest of that post did you? Where I point out it was against poor opposition.

I say again - the stats all point to Sissoko's performance being one of the best CM performances by any Spurs player this season. He saw as much of the ball as our best player, Eriksen, his pass completion was excellent, he launched many of our breaks; moved the ball from defence to offence in the way Pochettino says he does better than any other player on our list (his words not mine). He broke up play with tackles, got forward to have several (poor) shots. And got an assist.

If that was Dembele we'd be raving. Rightly so. Well, BC wouldn't be because he slates Dembele too - but you get the point.

Yesterday, Sissoko put in one of the best CM displays by any Spurs player this year. It's not a matter of opinion - its a matter of fact. Does this make him one of our best CM's? Of course not. Does it mean I'd prefer him to start over Dier/Wanyama/Dembele? Of course not. Which is why I didn't say any of those things.

I just congratulated a Spurs player on an excellent individual performance. Which it was. Can't understand why people have a problem with that.

And I feel sad for those so embittered that would prefer to slag off Spurs players rather than support them. Baffling.

I didn't rave about our (Spurs) or any player's overall performance yesterday, I didn't even write a ratings post, because the opposition were so insipid it really didn't merit it. I rate Eriksen extremely highly, and I could easily have eulogised about his performance and outstanding goals, but I didn't.

Swansea gave us an easier game than Rochdale and Newport. If there has been a worse opposition performance in the last three years, I can't remember it.

But even then Sissoko did nothing extraordinary, nothing outstanding, he just did lots of perfunctory stuff. As did Dier, Davies, Trippier and pretty much everyone. Eriksen, Lamela did the odd exceptional thing, goals, outrageous passes. But Sissoko, nor anyone else did. And even the exceptional things Eriksen and Lamela did are tempered by the fact that Swansea were so abjectly shit.

For you to turn what Sissoko did into an outstanding performance "best this season" and "linking defence to offence as good as any midfield destroyer over the years" is frankly, embarrassing.

I'm sure once you sobered up, you realised that. If not, good luck to you. Enjoy Sissoko.

Everlasting Seconds · Mar 19, 2018

Counting from and inclusive of the league match vs. United 31. of January and until now, Sissoko has played 17 minutes of PL footie and did not feature in our sad CL exit. In October, the argument was "He has featured in every single match so clearly he is great and if you don't rate him you are wrong." But now, I think we ultimately see his true and actual position in the pecking order, a position that's neither flattering nor glorious. So there's not a whole lot left to say about him, he is a steady but limited and unexciting squad filler who occasionally manages to pull himself together vs. forgettable opposition. Nothing wrong with that, really.

spids · Mar 19, 2018

Everlasting Seconds said:
Counting from and inclusive of the league match vs. United 31. of January and until now, Sissoko has played 17 minutes of PL footie and did not feature in our sad CL exit. In October, the argument was "He has featured in every single match so clearly he is great and if you don't rate him you are wrong." But now, I think we ultimately see his true and actual position in the pecking order, a position that's neither flattering nor glorious. So there's not a whole lot left to say about him, he is a steady but limited and unexciting squad filler who occasionally manages to pull himself together vs. forgettable opposition. Nothing wrong with that, really.

He is a good squad player. The reason he featured so much pre-Xmas was that we had injuries to Lamela (long term), Wanyama (long term) and Dembele (on and off) and he played well in terms of carrying out Poch's instructions, especially in transitional phases of play (you can look up the Poch quotes if you hadn't seen them at the time). If he'd cost £10M I don't think anyone would have a problem with him. But because he cost £30M a lot of fans (somewhat understandably) take ironic pleasure in the fact he has such a heavy touch and sometimes appears a bit clueless in possession. Yesterday he actually had a pretty anonymous first half, playing mainly in a hybrid LCM/LCB position, and aside from a simple pass to assist Lamela's goal, and a worrying escape under a bouncing ball on the half way line when they threatened to break on the counter after one of our corners, did not do much. Second half he looked much better. And that was because the game opened up in the middle of the pitch and he played more centrally. His strength is powerful running in a straight line vertically with the ball from the middle third and breaking their lines. Sometimes he does this with skill and sometimes with a magical bobble, shuffle, and a hint of luck. Open games like this are where he does best, and we do not get many of these as weaker teams park the bus, and stronger teams he is risky to pick as he lacks technical quality and may give up possession too easily. His skill set is really suited for a team in 6th-10th, who all teams have a go at. I can see why Everton wanted him when we bought him. What is noticeable is that his passing has greatly improved. Against Bournemouth he played a few incisive passes, and he repeated this in the 2nd half yesterday. If he keeps applying himself and also progressing then I can see Poch keeping him in the match day squad.

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