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MOTM

  • Vorm

    Votes: 4 1.3%
  • Trippier

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Verts

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Davies

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dier

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 31 10.1%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 28 9.1%
  • Moura

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 243 78.9%
  • Son

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Llorente

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Dele

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 1 0.3%

  • Total voters
    308

Gilzeanking

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May 7, 2005
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Wonder what was up with Swansea . For long periods they freely allowed us space to play high up close to their penalty area .

Start of 2nd half their halftime pep talk seemed to have had some effect for 5-10 mins and then they went back to giving us space to play in dangerous areas .

You don't see that low level of defensive motivation often in the Prem .
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
Jun 20, 2012
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Vorm has this habit of often passing to a player who is being closed down which results in us being put under undue pressure. We saw this multiple times v Newport and Rochdale and again a couple of times v Swansea.
Imo it isn't coincidence that both of our keepers repeatedly do this, I think its from Poch to trust the ball playing skills of our defenders to get around the press by the opposing forwards.
You can count the amount of times that we've actually conceded by doing this on one hand, and we do it quite a few times in every single game we play, and have done for a few seasons now.
Its risk vs reward, and it must be seen as a risk worth taking as it would be pretty easy to stop, and start lumping it long.

No doubt its a bit scary to watch sometimes though, but happens far too often for it to be bad decision making.
 

ajspurs

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Jul 7, 2007
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Wonder what was up with Swansea . For long periods they freely allowed us space to play high up close to their penalty area .

Start of 2nd half their halftime pep talk seemed to have had some effect for 5-10 mins and then they went back to giving us space to play in dangerous areas .

You don't see that low level of defensive motivation often in the Prem .

It was strange, but I just think tactically and instructionally they got it wrong. They probably just wanted to sit deep, keep their shape and not pressure too much so players weren't potentially pulled out of position, whilst hitting on the break with Dyer getting in behind Abraham who'd be the player to hold it up. Essentially though their approach made it like a training game. They maybe gave us too much respect but in terms of personal, they didn't have much quality throughout the team.
 

jezz

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Aug 21, 2013
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Judge the performance not the player.
Sissoko had a very good game as did the whole team.
 

scat1620

L'espion mal fait
May 11, 2008
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He works hard for the cause, puts in a shift and still people find away to slag him off.

He puts on the Tottenham shirt and puts in the effort, he deserves some slack from quite a few on here.
Aside from Beece's post (where the slagging was related to Sissoko's entire time at Spurs to date rather than yesterday's game in isolation; and in which he also specifically stated that he thought Sissoko was "fine" against Swansea), who else has slagged off Sissoko in this thread? Because I've searched the thread and I can't find anything else.
 

mpickard2087

Patient Zero
Jun 13, 2008
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Wonder what was up with Swansea . For long periods they freely allowed us space to play high up close to their penalty area .

Start of 2nd half their halftime pep talk seemed to have had some effect for 5-10 mins and then they went back to giving us space to play in dangerous areas .

You don't see that low level of defensive motivation often in the Prem .

Their focus is on League survival. The manager had said as much even though they've made it to the quarter final and as I said in a previous post I think the mentality that this game wasn't important rubbed off on the players. They clearly weren't giving it 100% or going at full tilt yesterday. Apart from Abraham vs. Sanchez a bit early on, they barely won and individual duel all over the pitch across the 90 mins.
 

KILLA_SIN

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May 24, 2008
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I've got to assume that you are pissed Madam as Dier's "dodgy passing" was nearly 100% pass completion from around100 passes... :confused: he slightly over clubbed one to Trips late in the 2nd half that TBH i'd have said was more on K.T than Eric but that's just my eyes.

It was 100% at half time, just checked 93% at full time (128 passes) 137 touches, he gets a lot of shit does Dier and granted he's not Iniesta but he's a good player doesn't deserve half the shit he gets IMHO

Sorry i'm not having a pop it's just i swear some Spurs fans eyes are painted on a lot of the time. :bag:

I think Dier has been much improved the last few months.
 

Archibald&Crooks

Aegina Expat
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Feb 1, 2005
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No doubt its a bit scary to watch sometimes though, but happens far too often for it to be bad decision making.
I understand the policy but where we part company is the decision making. If you see a player being closed down at pace you don't give him the ball, that's where it's bad decision making IMO. Give it to someone else, give it to the player who the intended recipient would have to give it to anyway. But whatever, it gives me palpitations :D
 

theShiznit

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Jul 26, 2004
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Eriksen; the boss.

Lamela; Assistant manager.

Everyone else; employee of the week
(Sissoko was good, but would pay never to see him as last man from corners again :eek:)
 

Ionman34

SC Supporter
Jun 1, 2011
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Tbf to BC, he's correct in that Swansea were absolutely beyond woeful and it was such a nice game for us. They're efforts just about stretched to getting in behind the ball, and that was it. No effort in any other defensive work or staying compact. It got to the point where someone like Ben Davies was confident enough to try running at players, and being made to look like Bale in the process. As it turned out, you could have dropped a player in to that for development purposes as it was such an armchair ride.

It was basically a training session, and people shouldn't really get excited and take anything out of it.
I didn’t get excited about anything MP, I made the observation that Sissoko is improving and that I was happy for him, nothing more. He’ll I even stated earlier that MOTM was Eriksen in probably one of the most one sided votes this season.

The point was why does any decent performance from Sissoko have to be caveated by the quality of the opposition when everyone else gets a pass? The only logical answer is that it is agenda driven.

He’s a Spurs player, trying his hardest to have a positive influence on the games he is playing in, why is it so hard for some to just recognise this and say “we’ll played son?”
 

Ionman34

SC Supporter
Jun 1, 2011
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Wonder what was up with Swansea . For long periods they freely allowed us space to play high up close to their penalty area .

Start of 2nd half their halftime pep talk seemed to have had some effect for 5-10 mins and then they went back to giving us space to play in dangerous areas .

You don't see that low level of defensive motivation often in the Prem .
Just a suggestion, but maybe the fact that we are unbeaten against them in 16 games had something to do with it?
With a lot of the great teams, the game was practically won before a ball was kicked due to previous history and current form. I think we have the Indian sign over Swansea, Stoke too due to the tonkings we have given them.

It’s a sign of our progress and reputation IMO, teams fear us and this translates into the pitch performance. They’re on the back foot before a ball has been kicked.
 

slartibartfast

Grunge baby forever
Oct 21, 2012
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Sissoko had a good game.
The pass and move 1 touch play between Moura, Lamela, Son and Erilsen was fantastic.
Lamela gets my 2nd MoM.
 

Mr Pink

SC Supporter
Aug 25, 2010
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Aside from Beece's post (where the slagging was related to Sissoko's entire time at Spurs to date rather than yesterday's game in isolation; and in which he also specifically stated that he thought Sissoko was "fine" against Swansea), who else has slagged off Sissoko in this thread? Because I've searched the thread and I can't find anything else.

It's just the general attitude towards him really, from the same posters.
 

Gilzeanking

Well-Known Member
May 7, 2005
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Just a suggestion, but maybe the fact that we are unbeaten against them in 16 games had something to do with it?
With a lot of the great teams, the game was practically won before a ball was kicked due to previous history and current form. I think we have the Indian sign over Swansea, Stoke too due to the tonkings we have given them.

It’s a sign of our progress and reputation IMO, teams fear us and this translates into the pitch performance. They’re on the back foot before a ball has been kicked.

Mmm like us at Old Trafford vs Fergie era Utd.
 

mpickard2087

Patient Zero
Jun 13, 2008
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I didn’t get excited about anything MP, I made the observation that Sissoko is improving and that I was happy for him, nothing more. He’ll I even stated earlier that MOTM was Eriksen in probably one of the most one sided votes this season.

The point was why does any decent performance from Sissoko have to be caveated by the quality of the opposition when everyone else gets a pass? The only logical answer is that it is agenda driven.

He’s a Spurs player, trying his hardest to have a positive influence on the games he is playing in, why is it so hard for some to just recognise this and say “we’ll played son?”

I wasn't mentioning any names (though I appreciate I was posting off the back of BC's post that was drawing ire and he was digging out Sissoko), just on the point that the way it went it would have been a nice game for anyone to play in development wise (which seemed to be getting ridiculed, but it really was such an easy game) and that this game was one you cant take anything from. We were neat and tidy and professional across the park, but I don't think anyone should get praise for that game because it wasn't even a contest, that goes for Dier (see all the stuff about his passing), Lamela (and his apparent all-round wonderfulness), Eriksen (that was apparently a 10/10 performance), and yes Sissoko.

Basically, there shouldn't have been a ratings thread this week :D
 

slartibartfast

Grunge baby forever
Oct 21, 2012
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Just a suggestion, but maybe the fact that we are unbeaten against them in 16 games had something to do with it?
With a lot of the great teams, the game was practically won before a ball was kicked due to previous history and current form. I think we have the Indian sign over Swansea, Stoke too due to the tonkings we have given them.

It’s a sign of our progress and reputation IMO, teams fear us and this translates into the pitch performance. They’re on the back foot before a ball has been kicked.
Me and my Dad were talking about this a while back. You watch teams play, the way they set up etc, and then when we play them its like they seem to change completely and just sit deep far more than they do against other top 6 teams. Might be looking through lilywhite tinted glasses but thats what it seems to me.
 
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