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WiganSpur

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Can't believe people are considering shaw, it's years since he has shown form and not worth the risk and even then it's questionable and doubtful if better than davies
He's playing under Mourinho. Instead of coaching players he buys and berates them.

We don't know for sure but I think he'd play a lot better under Poch myself. Would probably be my second choice if we couldn't get RS.
 

Japhet

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He's playing under Mourinho. Instead of coaching players he buys and berates them.

We don't know for sure but I think he'd play a lot better under Poch myself. Would probably be my second choice if we couldn't get RS.

Massive injury risk IMO. He's done next to nothing at Utd which may be down to Mourinho, but not 100%. I doubt we'll ever see the Luke Shaw that Poch had at Southampton again.
 

JonnySpurs

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My view on Shaw would be that if Poch thinks he can get the best out of him again then I'd be happy for us to sign him. However, the player would have to accept a pay cut - which I'm sure he would do if it gets him away from Mourinho and Utd. It would almost have to be a "prove it" deal, short term, say 2 years with options to extend and increase salary based on performance, attitude and injuries (lack of).

I think we need to remember that Shaw was one of the best LB's in the country prior to leaving Saints and when we were strongly linked we were all clamouring to sign him. He's had a terrible time at Utd, horrible leg break injury and clearly he has regressed under Jose but frankly, I cannot stand JM and it seems apparent that his particular brand of man management isn't for everyone, just ask KDB and Mo Salah - now two of the best players in the league, if not world football.

Shaw is young enough to recover his form and be a valuable player. I'd rather have Shaw at his best than say Betrand who is currently getting into the England team.

All this of course is based on the idea that we move on from Rose, which again will be Poch's decision and I will back that decision if it goes that way.
 

Haddock

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Of course chucking a huge mountain of cash is a risk - what transfer isn't? What mitigates it to a large extent is his age and his development to date. We could easily get a decade of service out of him which equates to 5m per season. Wing backs have been instrumental in our upward trajectory of late and transfer fees have gone totally crazy. Sessegnon could well be a future star and in 5 years time we could be saying 'why didn't we sign him when he was only 50m?' Also, for every Janssen or Mitrovic there's a Vardy - it's just a case of picking the right one, and like Vardy, Sessegnon has played in the English leagues.

I'm all for signing young talented players and we've done really well in that regard the last couple of years. But that should be reflected in the price as well. For 50m I'd except the finished product. Walker was best full back in the league last year and was sold for that amount. What ultimately mitigates the risk with young players are that they are cheaper and generally a good investment, as if they don't cut it you can generally sell them for more than you paid for.

So if Sessegnon isn't good enough - Do you think anyone will pay 50m or more for him? Even when you take the current inflated prices in to account 50m is absurd for a kid in the championship.

In the end it's not my money and if we would end up signing Sessegnon for the quoted prices I'd be excited. But maybe we can all agree on that this transfer is out of the ordinary and not your typical "Young talented player with room for development"-signing. Sessegnon would be our most expensive signing in history and he'd have the weight of the world on his shoulders.
 

JonnySpurs

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As Shaw is being discussed there's another former Saints/Poch player that I'd love us to sign in the summer, particularly considering that his club are going to be relegated and that would be Jay Rodriguez.

I think he's been good for WBA, scored some lovely goals this season and showed that he's still able to play well at Prem level, in a poor side and in particular after that bad injury he sustained.

We know he loves Poch and we know that he could have a similar role to Sonny in that he can play both up front and wide left. That said I would want him as a replacement for Llorente/Janssen assuming both of them are off.

It just makes way too much sense not to move for him.
 

Japhet

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I'm all for signing young talented players and we've done really well in that regard the last couple of years. But that should be reflected in the price as well. For 50m I'd except the finished product. Walker was best full back in the league last year and was sold for that amount. What ultimately mitigates the risk with young players are that they are cheaper and generally a good investment, as if they don't cut it you can generally sell them for more than you paid for.

So if Sessegnon isn't good enough - Do you think anyone will pay 50m or more for him? Even when you take the current inflated prices in to account 50m is absurd for a kid in the championship.

In the end it's not my money and if we would end up signing Sessegnon for the quoted prices I'd be excited. But maybe we can all agree on that this transfer is out of the ordinary and not your typical "Young talented player with room for development"-signing. Sessegnon would be our most expensive signing in history and he'd have the weight of the world on his shoulders.

It is a massive risk but, as they say, fortune favours the brave. The club will have a massive amount of information on any player before committing to any such deal. Even then it could all go wrong as it frequently does. We certainly wouldn't be paying 50m for what Sessegnon brings to the table right now. Transfer fees are market driven, and rather than speculate on whether a player is worth X amount right now, for my money the real risk is whether the bubble bursts and you end up paying massively over the odds for players who's value plummets overnight.
 

freeeki

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Given how long Luke Shaw has been out, I assumed he was 25/26 years old by now at least. Shocked to find out he's only 22.

On that basis I'd have a lot of faith in Poch bringing out the best in him again, he's a great player who's been the victim of rather unfortunate circumstances.
 

DCSPUR

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if we brought in Sessegnon (for the price of Sissoko, GKN, Janssen and possibly CCV or Walkes),
and then Rose pushes to leave, would be open to selling Danny for 40-50 mill + Shaw
 

Ossie85

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Given how long Luke Shaw has been out, I assumed he was 25/26 years old by now at least. Shocked to find out he's only 22.

On that basis I'd have a lot of faith in Poch bringing out the best in him again, he's a great player who's been the victim of rather unfortunate circumstances.

He's overweight though. That's his fault.
 

Ossie85

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@Ossie85 seen much of Lautaro Martinez? Just seen an article about him going to Inter, or Dortmund. Versatile, intelligent Argentinian attacker.

Difficult to describe him, because I can't think of anyone similar. But he's the complete forward. Does well every offensive aspect of the game. Can score with his right, left, headers, penalties, can assist, can play counterattack, can play as a playmaker. He does everything well. 99% he will go to the World Cup with Higuain and Aguero, leaving players like Icardi out.
He did this yesterday
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Ghost Hardware

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Difficult to describe him, because I can't think of anyone similar. But he's the complete forward. Does well every offensive aspect of the game. Can score with his right, left, headers, penalties, can assist, can play counterattack, can play as a playmaker. He does everything well. 99% he will go to the World Cup with Higuain and Aguero, leaving players like Icardi out.
He did this yesterday
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I always wonder why we don't look at South America for attackers. I understand getting work permits can be a bitch, but going to the source rather then chasing the Malcon's or Richarlison's for three times their original price would surely make more sense. Lautaro Martinez would probably get a WP pretty easily if he has made the international squad. From the few youtube vids I have seen he looks very similar to Aguero, maybe a better dribbler, or maybe a more bullish Dybala? But YouTube is the devil's plaything when it comes to football so im not going to judge him off that.
 
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bceej

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Difficult to describe him, because I can't think of anyone similar. But he's the complete forward. Does well every offensive aspect of the game. Can score with his right, left, headers, penalties, can assist, can play counterattack, can play as a playmaker. He does everything well. 99% he will go to the World Cup with Higuain and Aguero, leaving players like Icardi out.
He did this yesterday
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In other words a perfect target for us, may be too pricey but looks like he’d flourish in our system.
 

Blake Griffin

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Also, anyone who watches a lot of the U18-U23 games, how are our other youth keepers fairing? Any of them looking like they can make a jump at any point? Whitman, Austin, De Bie, O’Reilly and Freeman? Also...what is the situation with Tom Glover? I know he is Australian, but does he qualify as Home grown because we have had him for a certain amount of time before he is 21 or something?

whiteman's the closest but it's still too early for him, with keepers i think you're generally better off loaning them out first. o'reilly and freeman will probably leave soon and glover's not good enough, well, unless he's drastically improved since his aus loan.
 
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