While I agree, maybe missing Toby was the reason Juve was able to defeat us.
Without Toby we're a very good team, but with a fit Toby we're a team capable of challenging for everything as he makes far less mistakes in defense than Sanchez currently does.
Yeah maybe, but he wasn't fit. And when since he's declared himself fit, he's looked rusty as heck. And he's missed a seasons worth of games across the last two years. I don't for a second want to play down how good he can be, but we've managed a lot without him, and is he ever going to be fit enough for long enough? Without knowing all the medical stuff, it could be that we'd be getting a great deal at £50m.
If he goes, he goes. Jan has been the superior player for the last 18 months or so in my books and we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg with how good Sanchez will be. Add in Foyth who looks a real player, and Dier can move back either on a full time basis or to fill in when required
If we can get a young player like De Ligt in as well with half an eye on replacing Jan in a few years then all the better, but I’m not worried about finishing our season and our future because Toby wants to chase the Yankee dollar
Maybe it shouldn't be all about money.
To me, we would have more to gain by keeping him one more year and letting him go on a free, all while Sanchez, Dier and Foyth keep learning to master the CB position by training and sometimes playing along sides both Jan and Toby.
I know a lot of people would think this is an stupid idea, and this totally isn't how modern football works, and Levy would probably have an stroke by the mere thought of it, but the Jan-Toby partnership is a once in a lifetime kinda thing and we should try squeezing as much as we can from it, and I don't mean money.
What do you suggest we do then?
I would tend to agree were it not for the fact that if his release clause becomes active we lose any measure of control over where he goes. Of the clubs that have been linked to him, it's probably the case that only PSG would offer the kind of wages that any of our top-six rivals would give Toby in order to prise him away from us, greatly bolstering their own defense and significantly weakening us in one fell swoop like what happened with Walker.Maybe it shouldn't be all about money.
To me, we would have more to gain by keeping him one more year and letting him go on a free, all while Sanchez, Dier and Foyth keep learning to master the CB position by training and sometimes playing along sides both Jan and Toby.
I know a lot of people would think this is an stupid idea, and this totally isn't how modern football works, and Levy would probably have an stroke by the mere thought of it, but the Jan-Toby partnership is a once in a lifetime kinda thing and we should try squeezing as much as we can from it, and I don't mean money.
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Failure to keep our best players dressed up as successfully getting rid of trouble makers/greedy players.
The reality as we all know is that another of our first team starters is being sold to a domestic rival because we have failed to keep them happy.
Can't blame him if he goes to Barcelona
bring in a quality CH (versatile) with presence, pace, and distribution.
where is the - "hoping that happens" emoji!!!Serious (very) from Spanish giants and PSG I believe
He deserves to be paid the same as any centre back in the league so pay him. He should start against Chelsea and prove his fitness for the remainder of the season. If he does, give him 120k a week and a 2m signing on bonus on september 1st for every year he stays. Think of the message alone it would send to the other clubs. It seems there is a 3m discrepancy with what he wants and what levy wants to pay him each year. By giving him a 2m annual "loyalty" bonus could swing it. Who else are we going to get instead? We need experience and we need continuity and we need to tell fuckers like united city chelsea barca madird bayern psg to go fuck themselves
He is world class. We cannot improve him so we must keep him
where is the - "hoping that happens" emoji!!!
Could 100% live with Toby going to Spain or PSG
He’s started 10 league matches. We’ve lost 20% and drew 20%, winning 60%.
In the 20 game he hasn’t started, we’ve lost 15%, drawn 25%, and again won 60%.
My point? His presence in the first team has had little impact this season, his absence has had little impact. He’s undeniably a great defender, but clearly not a vital member of our first team anymore, if a first teamer at all given how much faith our manager has in the admittedly still raw Sanchez.
At the end of the day our very worst case scenario is losing a 30 year old Toby in 2019 for twice what we paid for him, having never blown that much in wages on him due to his own bloody minded refusal to extend, and with him having barely played in almost two seasons due to the emergence of Sanchez (who by then will have two seasons experience).
It’s unusual, but we are in a situation where our top class centre back could leave for less than his value if he doesn’t renew and yet we hold all the cards. If he ends up not renewing and leaving for £25m in July 2019, by then we’ll have moved on anyway (we’ve already done our succession planning) and he’s have lost a huge chunk of his career. I doubt the sides who could afford his wage demands will even still be interested at that point, maybe PSG.
If Toby doesn’t intend on staying, he’d better have an amazing world cup which convinces some club to pay a world record for a centre back, otherwise he’s pretty fucked (as much as is possible for someone earning £10m from one 4 year contract with Spurs).
Then what do you think will happen when Sanchez gets even better?
Yep, Man City will get him.
This needs to stop. Part of our problem is having a young team so we cant keep selling experienced premier league players every season
If Toby really does go, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Toby off to Barca and them sending Umtiti our way. He certainly has presence, pace, distribution, youth, and not to mention he's left footed. A Sanchez/Umtiti partnership could surpass the greatness of our current Belgian one. Of course there's De Ligt as a fantastic option too, who if we were to sign this summer could be a home grown player for us.
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