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VAR (Video Assistant Referee)

Good for the game?.

  • Yes

    Votes: 42 30.7%
  • No

    Votes: 95 69.3%

  • Total voters
    137

Archibald&Crooks

Aegina Expat
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Feb 1, 2005
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I didn't watch the game and I've been unable to find a clip. If the whistle blew before Son put the ball in the net, then VAR shouldn't have even gotten involved since they would be unable to give the goal.
More confusion then :D
 

NorSpur

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Mar 20, 2018
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Yes, VAR could go back on the Son situation. What bothers me a bit about this dilemma is that I think it favors the defending team.

Every goal given that should have been flagged offside can be overturned by VAR. But in many cases, especially on through passes, linesmen would flag and refs whistle before the finish. Thereby making it impossible to correct a wrongly called offside. Hope this doesn’t play into defensive teams to much (probably won’t).
 

'O Zio

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Dec 27, 2014
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Yes, VAR could go back on the Son situation. What bothers me a bit about this dilemma is that I think it favors the defending team.

Every goal given that should have been flagged offside can be overturned by VAR. But in many cases, especially on through passes, linesmen would flag and refs whistle before the finish. Thereby making it impossible to correct a wrongly called offside. Hope this doesn’t play into defensive teams to much (probably won’t).

That's why linesman have been told to only flag if they're absolutely sure. That way, at least in theory, if they're not sure play goes on and then it's up to the VAR to sort it out
 

cwy21

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May 11, 2009
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If anyone is bored, here's an offside test that referee organization in the US has on it's website. You'll have a series of videos and you have to decide if offside should be called or not and then you have to select the correct video frame that you used to make the decision (e.g. when the ball was played).

https://www.proassistantreferees.com/perception-test-14/

I got a 74 out of 88 since I struggle to get the correct frame. Let me know how you do.
 

simsy886

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Jan 30, 2005
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If anyone is bored, here's an offside test that referee organization in the US has on it's website. You'll have a series of videos and you have to decide if offside should be called or not and then you have to select the correct video frame that you used to make the decision (e.g. when the ball was played).

https://www.proassistantreferees.com/perception-test-14/

I got a 74 out of 88 since I struggle to get the correct frame. Let me know how you do.

I got 88. But then again I cheated by rewatching each clip frame by frame.

I definitely couldn't be a linesman.
 

hughy

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Nov 18, 2007
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If anyone is bored, here's an offside test that referee organization in the US has on it's website. You'll have a series of videos and you have to decide if offside should be called or not and then you have to select the correct video frame that you used to make the decision (e.g. when the ball was played).

https://www.proassistantreferees.com/perception-test-14/

I got a 74 out of 88 since I struggle to get the correct frame. Let me know how you do.

I did terribly.
 

Saoirse

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Aug 20, 2013
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If anyone is bored, here's an offside test that referee organization in the US has on it's website. You'll have a series of videos and you have to decide if offside should be called or not and then you have to select the correct video frame that you used to make the decision (e.g. when the ball was played).

https://www.proassistantreferees.com/perception-test-14/

I got a 74 out of 88 since I struggle to get the correct frame. Let me know how you do.

Damn, one off, 73. Correct frame is definitely the harder bit.
 

al_pacino

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Feb 2, 2005
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I was a 73 too. I didn't seem to struggle with the offsides but the frame was much more difficult. I think lineman do well to get anything like as much as they do right.
 

tiger666

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Jan 4, 2005
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Some people really do just like to piss and moan. He stood on his foot, anywhere on the pitch it's a foul. It was in the box, it was a pen and the right call was made.
 

mill

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May 21, 2007
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Some people really do just like to piss and moan. He stood on his foot, anywhere on the pitch it's a foul. It was in the box, it was a pen and the right call was made.

It’s cos it cost us a victory, other way around the media would be lauding it
 

Danners9

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Mar 30, 2004
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I was watching NRL (Aussie Rugby) last Friday, and Brisbane won in added time with a penalty to give them the golden point - first to score wins - but the commentator on Channel 9 was angry about it, not because he supported the opposition but he described the incident leading to the kick as a 'gotcha' foul. Technically yes, it was a foul, but only visible on the TV after several replays and inconsequential in that the player fouled wasn't in a position to do anything else with the ball. It didn't prevent a pass, a try, and without the touch that player would have fallen to the floor by himself anyway. He was angry because he didn't want to see games end like this and said he felt that more often than not he is not watching two very good groups of rugby players play, he is watching a refereeing exhibition.

VAR in football feels like it will be like that. We've already had season after season where games are decided by refereeing decisions but here we have them giving decisions that are technically fouls, and no doubt yesterday is a foul, but the feel of the game has changed. It is an exhibition in refereeing and technicalities.

Llorente's goal vs Rochdale, disallowed after a normal tussle to win the ball. Italy get a penalty because a defender and attacker, who already looks like he's lost the ball and is on the way down, collide. The Aussie A-League had a game where two yellow card challenges were slowed down by the video and then both upgraded to red cards. If you slow footage down, the slightest challenge can look far worse than it actually is.

Is this what we want? Some will want 100% correct all the time, that's fine. Video game football for you then. Some want no video and human error. You will get obvious things missed and your team wronged by it sooner or later. This 'clear and obvious' thing is an issue. Was yesterday clear and obvious. He gave no pen on the pitch. They gave the pen, so I guess so, but the debate around the incident (yet again) from the manager, in the media and on forums around the world suggests it isn't that clear cut.
 

cwy21

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May 11, 2009
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Is this what we want? Some will want 100% correct all the time, that's fine.

As we're learning in America with the NFL and basketball (and most other major sports), it's what people thought they wanted, but it turns out going to super-high definition slow motion replay causes a bunch of issues. But we live in a culture where fans/media/managers try to put blame on the referee instead of the losing team and video review is a brought in to fix the issue.

I think football will be particularly controversial with video review because an unusually large percentage of referee decisions are likely to impact a result. No one remembers the ref making a bad call in basketball when the score is 13-8 because the final ended up being 110-97. A botched pass interference call in the first quarter call of an NFL which pretty much guarantees a team a touchdown, is only a minor talking point because so much happens during the rest of game. But in football, a missed penalty decision in the first 10 minutes is often focused on as "that cost us the game". A bad offside decision is much more likely to directly impact the final result than almost any other sport because of how valuable a goal is.

VAR is going to have some great moments at the World Cup, but it's almost certainly going to have some total shit show moments too.
 

nailsy

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Jul 24, 2005
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Some people really do just like to piss and moan. He stood on his foot, anywhere on the pitch it's a foul. It was in the box, it was a pen and the right call was made.

I honestly don't know if they was a foul or not. The rules say that it's a foul if you trip someone while making a challenge, but the player didn't make a challenge. He was running back and the Italian guy ran across his path. Does that make it accidental or not? I'm happy to go with what the ref says as he knows more about the rules than me, but its no wonder that people reach different decisions when many of the rules seem open to interpretation.

Interestingly one of the guys on the Football Weekly podcast mentioned that the Fifa document covering VAR doesn't mention 'clear and obvious' anywhere. Barry Glendenning countered this by saying that the fifa website does mention that it's only to be used for clear and obvious mistakes so it sounds like even the people who have introduced it can't decide how it should be used.
 
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