Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

cider spurs · Mar 23, 2018

Yep...all this, can't sell Alderweireld to a prem rival nonsense, have to sell abroad. Sorry, it's ultimately not in our hands.

If he chooses, Toby doesn't have to go anywhere until his contract runs out at which point he can go where he wants, clause activation could well see him going where he wants also.

Not wishing to whinge, but I find it somewhat ignorant to think that if we have to sell..."well, as long as it's abroad and not to a rival." Is that simple.

Alderweireld could well be sent to train with the youth for his final year because he wouldn't sign an extension and wanted to move to a rival, a request we denied.

Nothing changed, season's time, Alderweireld gets to move where he chooses, we miss out on £40 million.

I know very few professionals want to be cast aside to the football wildernesses in order to secure a move, but it happens, and if Alderweireld is set on moving to a rival, I don't see us turning down a tidy sum.

nicdic · Mar 23, 2018

ralvy said:
Maybe it shouldn't be all about money.

To me, we would have more to gain by keeping him one more year and letting him go on a free, all while Sanchez, Dier and Foyth keep learning to master the CB position by training and sometimes playing along sides both Jan and Toby.

I know a lot of people would think this is an stupid idea, and this totally isn't how modern football works, and Levy would probably have an stroke by the mere thought of it, but the Jan-Toby partnership is a once in a lifetime kinda thing and we should try squeezing as much as we can from it, and I don't mean money.

I would definitely agree, but there's only any sense in that if Toby is committed to the cause. If he's not, then we may as well ship him out now. No point having him around the camp sulking or only putting half effort. That will cause more problems than selling him.

SpartanSpur · Mar 23, 2018

cider spurs said:
Yep...all this, can't sell Alderweireld to a prem rival nonsense, have to sell abroad. Sorry, it's ultimately not in our hands.

If he chooses, Toby doesn't have to go anywhere until his contract runs out at which point he can go where he wants, clause activation could well see him going where he wants also.

Not wishing to whinge, but I find it somewhat ignorant to think that if we have to sell..."well, as long as it's abroad and not to a rival." Is that simple.

Alderweireld could well be sent to train with the youth for his final year because he wouldn't sign an extension and wanted to move to a rival, a request we denied.

Nothing changed, season's time, Alderweireld gets to move where he chooses, we miss out on £40 million.

I know very few professionals want to be cast aside to the football wildernesses in order to secure a move, but it happens, and if Alderweireld is set on moving to a rival, I don't see us turning down a tidy sum.

It certainly can be that simple. Do you think he'd want a year in the football wilderness at his age?

Would Utd or Chelsea really be that preferable over concrete interest from Europe's elite if we refused to sell to PL clubs?

Sanchez was all agreed with Pep's City yet was swayed by the shambles at Utd despite having his pick in 6 months time. Chile aren't even at the world cup so no excuse there.

I'll be absolutely disgusted if we sold to a PL rival this summer just for the sake of £15-20m over the release clause...

coys200 · Mar 23, 2018

I’d almost be tempted to make him play out last year, by which time he’d be 30. What’s the most we could get at 30 £40m maybe if he was in peak form. So that’s a £15m loss given the £25m release clause is real.But it gives Sanchez and foyth another year to bed in and possibly really settle Dier in as a CB. We’d then have 4 solid options and wouldn’t even need to panic buy. Also potential for Ccv or tanganga to emerge next year. Whatever happens the club definitely hold all the cards. Toby needs to be careful he could end up in Rose position. Could Rose get a big move now I doubt it.

thebenjamin · Mar 23, 2018

coys200 said:
I’d almost be tempted to make him play out last year, by which time he’d be 30. What’s the most we could get at 30 £40m maybe if he was in peak form. So that’s a £15m loss given the £25m release clause is real.But it gives Sanchez and foyth another year to bed in and possibly really settle Dier in as a CB. We’d then have 4 solid options and wouldn’t even need to panic buy. Also potential for Ccv or tanganga to emerge next year. Whatever happens the club definitely hold all the cards. Toby needs to be careful he could end up in Rose position. Could Rose get a big move now I doubt it.

Depends what we'd be getting for him this summer. If it's 40 odd million then we might as well keep him. Problem is the player and what, kid of performances you're going to get with him stuck on 50k a week or whatever

Shadydan · Mar 23, 2018

coys200 said:
I’d almost be tempted to make him play out last year, by which time he’d be 30. What’s the most we could get at 30 £40m maybe if he was in peak form. So that’s a £15m loss given the £25m release clause is real.But it gives Sanchez and foyth another year to bed in and possibly really settle Dier in as a CB. We’d then have 4 solid options and wouldn’t even need to panic buy. Also potential for Ccv or tanganga to emerge next year. Whatever happens the club definitely hold all the cards. Toby needs to be careful he could end up in Rose position. Could Rose get a big move now I doubt it.

What happens if Liverpool come in with a £25m bid and he accepts and goes to them next summer?

Setzthree · Mar 23, 2018

Shadydan said:
What happens if Liverpool come in with a £25m bid and he accepts and goes to them next summer?

Meltdown of the century.

cider spurs · Mar 23, 2018

Shadydan said:
What happens if Liverpool come in with a £25m bid and he accepts and goes to them next summer?

Setzthree said:
Meltdown of the century.

Would never happen according to some. Apparently we hold all the aces. Feck know's how...out of contract next summer and appears to be heading for the exit.

coys200 · Mar 23, 2018

Shadydan said:
What happens if Liverpool come in with a £25m bid and he accepts and goes to them next summer?

Yup good point. Next summer would be his choice,this summer we are in control.

coys200 · Mar 23, 2018

cider spurs said:
Would never happen according to some. Apparently we hold all the aces. Feck know's how...out of contract next summer and appears to be heading for the exit.

He’s only out of contract when someone meets the £25m. Which they obviously will buy it’s not s Sanchez situation for £0

cider spurs · Mar 23, 2018

Be easier if he just signed. Could put this fecker to bed and move onto the next potential meltdown.

SpartanSpur · Mar 23, 2018

cider spurs said:
Would never happen according to some. Apparently we hold all the aces. Feck know's how...out of contract next summer and appears to be heading for the exit.

Not saying we hold the aces, but ITK is saying there is serious interest from Real, Barca and PSG. Do you honestly think he's going to mug that lot off to join Utd, Chelsea or even f'ing Liverpool/Arsenal after a year of being a backup and playing in the U23s (if we go down that route). Toby says I only want Utd, Levy refuses, gets to the end of the window, Spurs agree terms with PSG/Madrid, does he really say no?

Can you honestly ignore that? or is it all about the worst case scenario only?

Levy has proven before he'd rather sell abroad. Walker was never going to go abroad (and I don't think everyone is attributing City's season to Kyle Walker anyway!) but Toby already has played in Spain and the Netherlands.

dagraham · Mar 23, 2018

Very surprised Levy agreed to this clause in the first place.

He’s got us by the balls on this one.

cider spurs · Mar 23, 2018

SpartanSpur said:
Not saying we hold the aces, but ITK is saying there is serious interest from Real, Barca and PSG. Do you honestly think he's going to mug that lot off to join Utd, Chelsea or even f'ing Liverpool/Arsenal after a year of being a backup and playing in the U23s (if we go down that route). Toby says I only want Utd, Levy refuses, gets to the end of the window, Spurs agree terms with PSG/Madrid, does he really say no?

Can you honestly ignore that? or is it all about the worst case scenario only?

Levy has proven before he'd rather sell abroad. Walker was never going to go abroad (and I don't think everyone is attributing City's season to Kyle Walker anyway!) but Toby already has played in Spain and the Netherlands.

I certainly don't ignore all interested parties, that's my point, some are only looking at clubs abroad as realistic options, worst case scenario or not, I stand by my belief that he could just as easily roll up in the prem at a rival.

keithtighe93 · Mar 23, 2018

Dier to CB and bring in a CM, or bring a new CB? Or both?

Japhet · Mar 23, 2018

dagraham said:
Very surprised Levy agreed to this clause in the first place.

He’s got us by the balls on this one.

As I said before, we signed him for 11m. The 25m buyout didn't look too shabby then but a couple of seasons of hyper inflation make it look a lot worse now.

Donki · Mar 23, 2018

Meh not overly bothered if we sell to either Chelsea or United to be honest if we really had too, probably not s popular view but both of them are defensively sound. Would prefer we concentrate on our own affairs rather than shit outselves at the sale of a player who has missed half a season for us.

I've said it before so will say it again, Toby wants a most to a top cream Europeon of Football, it's the only reason he wants a release clause. .

SpartanSpur · Mar 23, 2018

cider spurs said:
I certainly don't ignore all interested parties, that's my point, some are only looking at clubs abroad as realistic options, worst case scenario or not, I stand by my belief that he could just as easily roll up in the prem at a rival.

Yeah that's fair, but as I've said it would be a terrible decision by Levy to do so this summer for the sake of say £15m (as he can go for £25m next window. Can I rule it out? Not with Levy, but I expect better.

Like you said in another post, best solution is to just agree the new deal. Long shot and only happens if he gets back in though, period after this int'l break will be telling.

cider spurs · Mar 23, 2018

SpartanSpur said:
Yeah that's fair, but as I've said it would be a terrible decision by Levy to do so this summer for the sake of say £15m (as he can go for £25m next window. Can I rule it out? Not with Levy, but I expect better.

Like you said in another post, best solution is to just agree the new deal. Long shot and only happens if he gets back in though, period after this int'l break will be telling.

That's the thing, if Toby was desperate for a particular prem club, would we write off say circa £15 million, to deny a move, especially if we were said amount short of acquiring a top talent we'd like to purchase.

SpartanSpur · Mar 23, 2018

cider spurs said:
That's the thing, if Toby was desperate for a particular prem club, would we write off say circa £15 million, to deny a move, especially if we were said amount short of acquiring a top talent we'd like to purchase.

If the Real/Barca interest is real I still think that'd be his priority. PSG is a harder sell but still a more guaranteed route to silverware. Guess it all comes down to how concrete it gets. Hope ITK is right.

No real guarantees of success at any other PL clubs aside from City, and even after Kompany they now have Otamendi, Stones and Laporte, would they really go in for him? Chelsea may not even have CL football!

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