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So we lost a football match and you don't want excuses? Well that's just it then, we lost a football match.
A Realistic Perspective
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PeeEyeEmPee
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predictable response whenever achievements of lesser teams are brought up. what does their relegation and administration have to do with us? are you suggesting it wouldn't have been possible for us to win something without being relegated and/or going into administration?
PeeEyeEmPee
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we did. just as we always seem to lose a football match whenever there's anything riding on it. we have a problem with these type of matches, for some reason.
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thebenjamin
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Have a day off mate
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I wouldn't go as far as creative. The records are written, and like it or not, those that spend more money tend to go on and win titles and FA cups.
Certainly haven't ignored the fact that we've missed opportunities regarding FA Cup, but I still stand by my belief that money will give you a greater chance.
That to me is the reality of why we aren't at the next level, and as the teams above clearly show, when you have some form of equilibrium financially, you tend to win things.
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If you think losing to 2 clubs in successive years who are doing better than us in the EPL can be considered failure I'm not sure what I can say. They are both very good teams with a recent history of winning stuff which is a stumbling block for us. Of course Man Utd were taking it more seriously than in previous years - they've been put to shame by City and have lowered their sights and we just happened to run into them when they are in form and we're not. No shame in that.
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Because people like you seem to want big spending, to bring in players that might win us a trophy.
Those smaller clubs did exactly that and they couldn't sustain it - which lead to relegations, fire-sales and ultimately administration.
Leeds is often an example brought up as a specific comparison to us and the potential dangers the lurk around the corner.
With Pochettino gradually taking us forward, he is (in my opinion) building the foundations for the future of our club.
It took Fergie 3 1/2 years to win anything with United.
Wenger may have won the double inside two years, but he then went four years without anything.
thebenjamin
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Was there anything riding on Chelsea away the other week?
Japhet
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Or Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Dortmund, Real Madrid, Man Utd.............or maybe I dreamt all that and we lost all of those because something was riding on the results.
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I'm not sure i buy into this 'look where we were X years ago...' as justification for not expecting better returns form our team. If anything, we should be wanting the (regular) silverware to demonstrate how we have progressed in a more tangible sense. But ultimately, the two aren't mutually exclusive - how about we appreciate how far we have come but still be disppointed that we seem incapable of winning silverware? We are a 'top 4' side, and have been on average the best side in the PL over past two complete seaosns, so we are entitled to want silverware to show fo this. It doesn't make us ungrateful.
PeeEyeEmPee
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no, football would be to win some and lose some. we don't win any.
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What ever?
I think you're just hankering for an argument that really isn't there. It's football. Have a word with yourself.
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PeeEyeEmPee
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in that case, why weren't we taking it as seriously as Man U?
I never mentioned anything about shame. we can dress it up however we want, but the simple fact is there will ALWAYS be a reason why we could have lost a game. it's football, and that happens. but when we keep failing to get over the line in different competitions, we should be able to be objective enough to seriously question why that is, even while we pat ourselves on the back for the progress we've made. it seems all we do is look for excuses though. a little club wins, and we bring up relegation and administration, a big club wins and they've got more money than us and were taking it seriously. Leicester win the league and it's because they were lucky with injuries, fixtures, and having no Europe. the big clubs win the league, and it's because we can't compete with them. we always find reasons for why we shouldn't have expected to win, and yet when the media are overlooking us as contenders for anything, it's because they all hate us. we can't have it both ways.
point me to where I called for big spending? your whole post is based on a straw man. a very shit straw man, at that.
PeeEyeEmPee
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yeah, three points were riding on the Chelsea game. and the Liverpool one. and the Chelsea one. and the Arsenal one. and the Dortmund one. and the Real Madrid one. and the Man U one. and you know what....? we've got a pretty decent record in game such as these, but other than three points there wasn't anything at stake. what's our record in knockout games against such opposition?
PeeEyeEmPee
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and yet it was you that picked an argument with me
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There is no argument, the long and the short of it, it's football and a football match.
Up to you if you can't accept it.
PeeEyeEmPee
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I accept that you're making the most cliched and banal point ever.
