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Lee82

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I believe you would still be allocated a seat number and you would stand in front of that seat. Safe standing features a seat that folds flat and a horizontal bar in front of you that you can lean against.
 

Lilbaz

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I believe you would still be allocated a seat number and you would stand in front of that seat. Safe standing features a seat that folds flat and a horizontal bar in front of you that you can lean against.

Depends what version of safe standing version you use. Celtic yes, dortmund no.

Not happening for the next couple of seasons though.
 

SirHarryHotspur

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If safe standing was introduced how would that actually work with ST that have already been sold as it’s been sold as a seat ? And how would the new ST be sold in the safe standing areas as I believe 1.8 k would then be available. Would you just get a row number you can stand in as opposed to a seat number ?

All you get is a rail in front so you can't fall forward, won't increase capacity by much. Celtic safe standing.
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Japseye

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Yeah that’s what I actually thought, so I don’t actually see how capacity is increased?

My understanding is that the seats would get replaced with narrower ones, which accounts for the extra capacity. the thinking is comfort of seat size is secondary as the use will be minimal.

The club then has a few options as to how many seats they can cram in but i think based on info the club released it was aprox 1:1.4

The seating is on quick install/release rails so switching the few designated areas over and installing the rails could happen very quickly. i.e. easily over the summer break
 

coys200

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Tbh I think the whole concept of safe standing is flawed anyway. Hillsborough happened because too many people were forced into a pen that they couldn’t escape from was actually nothing to do with standing. I might be wrong but the whole issue started because of the fencing at the front. I don’t recall any tragedies in previous decades. If numbers were too many people just overflowed at the front. For me having a rail actually makes it more dangerous as it’s something to get crushed against. You’ve seen on away days the limbs with a last minute winner. People will be flying over those rails to me it just looks more dangerous.
 

worcestersauce

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I'm pretty sure that what the FA, Premier League and Football League approve is irrelevant until the law of the land is changed.
It is but when the premier league ok's it too they can make a united request to government and that will very likely be the point where the law will be changed, listening to someone on the radio last week saying that is why West Brom failed in their request, because government is waiting for football to be united on the matter.
 

Japseye

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If safe standing was introduced how would that actually work with ST that have already been sold as it’s been sold as a seat ? And how would the new ST be sold in the safe standing areas as I believe 1.8 k would then be available. Would you just get a row number you can stand in as opposed to a seat number ?

as others have mentioned it is unlikely to happen any time soon, but if it were to there will be a lengthy notice period following law change and PL implementation to club implementation.

I would assume there would be club/fan consultation then if implemented those sections would possibly have a marginally reduced price due to being a bit more cramped? ST holders will be given the option to renew or move out of the area...

Don't forget ST holders have purchased their ST for a season, not a seat forever, this is never going to happen mid season so i don't see any issues. Further the seats do remain all be it possibly narrower with a rail in front.

There will be one off pain facilitating the ticketing much like this season with probably several additional phases vs a 'normal' season.

There will undoubtedly be outrage amongst some that they currently have a seat all be it in a ear marked area for future standing, but they dont want to stand and cant find an alternative seat with the same view/price... but as there should be a capacity increase there may be a re-shuffle with people in other areas of the south and other stands taking the opportunity to move into the standing areas.

cant please all the peeps all the time but i'm sure the club will handle it as best they can, if they ever get the opportunity. I think the main thing to take away from the current build is that it has at least been well considered and built in from the start so we are future proofed in that regard as best we can be.
 
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Japseye

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Tbh I think the whole concept of safe standing is flawed anyway. Hillsborough happened because too many people were forced into a pen that they couldn’t escape from was actually nothing to do with standing. I might be wrong but the whole issue started because of the fencing at the front. I don’t recall any tragedies in previous decades. If numbers were too many people just overflowed at the front. For me having a rail actually makes it more dangerous as it’s something to get crushed against. You’ve seen on away days the limbs with a last minute winner. People will be flying over those rails to me it just looks more dangerous.

Since there should only be one row of people between each set of rails and seats, the mass crushes really cant happen, now we all know that at times people will chance it and there will be a few more in a row than there should be so you might end up 2 deep if the stewards dont notice and could still get pushed up against the rail in front if things get out of hand.

but this is going to be nothing compared to the 10's of thousands of fans that used to move as one with people getting sucked down and the very front getting crushed against barriers and nets etc as you say. just cant happen when every row has a rail front and back

I take your point that it can be dangerous but thats probably just natural selection kicking in if you want to start jumping on/over rails. I think in the current climate if you dont go with rails you stay all seater, you will never go back to the old days...
 
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worcestersauce

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I don't think anyone in the future proofed standing area will complain if they implement standing officially as that area will be standing unofficially from day one. I do wonder how the area is future proofed though, are they putting in safe standing seats from the start or will the rails have extra brackets so they can simply change the seats to smaller ones?
 

Japseye

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I don't think anyone in the future proofed standing area will complain if they implement standing officially as that area will be standing unofficially from day one. I do wonder how the area is future proofed though, are they putting in safe standing seats from the start or will the rails have extra brackets so they can simply change the seats to smaller ones?

I think its having the brackets ready for the rails to go in, its also the rake of the stand and the gap between rows etc. whatever the requirements are for an area to be converted to safe standing as per current legislation in the countries that do allow it, our designated areas have been designed to this so it can be just a simple switch rather than potential major construction...

FYI, from my understanding Anfield's Kop will have a steeper gradient than ours because it was designed and built before the latest uk stadium legislation came in, they were allowed to maintain this gradient for the completed expansion, however this may prevent them from implementing 'safe standing' with rails as the gradient will be too steep, so they would have to make structural changes or limit safe standing to other areas... time and cost which we should not have to worry about.

But who knows, if and when it is ever allowed the goal posts may get moved and all our hard work and forethought may be for nothing!
 

nicdic

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If the conversation is safe standing in general, can we move it to General Football?
 

Mattspur

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Since its inception I've wondered why the stadium wasn't designed with the roof of some sort, most likely a retractable one. Does anyone know if there's a reason for this?

If not, I think it's an oversight as the venue would be able to host concerts and other sporting events, such as boxing etc all year round. With our dodgy English weather it really limits the use of the stadium for non sporting events to just a few summer months.
 

mpickard2087

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Since its inception I've wondered why the stadium wasn't designed with the roof of some sort, most likely a retractable one. Does anyone know if there's a reason for this?

If not, I think it's an oversight as the venue would be able to host concerts and other sporting events, such as boxing etc all year round. With our dodgy English weather it really limits the use of the stadium for non sporting events to just a few summer months.

I think Levy has said it was explored, but the cost of it wouldn't be worth it and also I think (but not sure) the roof design they have gone with wouldn't have been able to accommodate a retractable element. And any change to the roof might not have been possible taking into account the site constraints, timetable, south stand etc.

I also don't think there are that many events that a retractable roof is needed for. With football and the NFL (increasing the number of games in future.....) then most weeks in the winter are booked up anyway. Boxing maybe, but there aren't going to be very many big stadium-requiring fights over a year - and then you still have Cardiff for the winter months that has a bigger capacity, and Wembley with its 90-100k capacity will always win in the summer months.
 

Mattspur

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I think Levy has said it was explored, but the cost of it wouldn't be worth it and also I think (but not sure) the roof design they have gone with wouldn't have been able to accommodate a retractable element. And any change to the roof might not have been possible taking into account the site constraints, timetable, south stand etc.

I also don't think there are that many events that a retractable roof is needed for. With football and the NFL (increasing the number of games in future.....) then most weeks in the winter are booked up anyway. Boxing maybe, but there aren't going to be very many big stadium-requiring fights over a year - and then you still have Cardiff for the winter months that has a bigger capacity, and Wembley with its 90-100k capacity will always win in the summer months.
The expense compared to the likely benefit. Retractable roofs are not cheap.

Thanks guys. (y)
 
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