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Univarn

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hertyid: I don't know the exact terms of the MP/DL agreement around £100m+, so can't speak for whether that is net or gross, and whether it includes contract renegotiations or just transfer spending. But given we should expect £100m in player sales from Toby, Rose, Janssen, Sissoko, Llorente, Dembele etc (assuming they all go, this is not ITk), then you have to think it is £100m net. I also know we are very much in for De Ligt as a Toby replacement and he's not going to be cheap.

So let's assume it's £100m of additional investment, but this may include large pay increases for key players.
Glad to hear about De Ligt even if it is a side note.

The is that net or gross is quickly becoming the "is he 28 or 29" plague of Spurs forums...
 

Annabel

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Feb 2, 2005
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Thanks Dov - sounds like we’ll have 3 first teamers bought & a slimmed down squad for next season.

Last player we signed for £100k was Peter Guthrie.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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hertyid: I don't know the exact terms of the MP/DL agreement around £100m+, so can't speak for whether that is net or gross, and whether it includes contract renegotiations or just transfer spending. But given we should expect £100m in player sales from Toby, Rose, Janssen, Sissoko, Llorente, Dembele etc (assuming they all go, this is not ITk), then you have to think it is £100m net. I also know we are very much in for De Ligt as a Toby replacement and he's not going to be cheap.

So let's assume it's £100m of additional investment, but this may include large pay increases for key players.


As always, nice one @dovahkiin ..

Not only have you whored some more ITK for the good folk of SC, but you've also created an opportunity for everyone to have a long awaited discussion about whether £100mil will be Net or Gross spend.

Been waiting fucking ages for such a debate.
 

robertgoulet

SC Resident Crooner Extraordinaire
Jul 23, 2013
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As always, nice one @dovahkiin ..

Not only have you whored some more ITK for the good folk of SC, but you've also created an opportunity for everyone to have a long awaited discussion about whether £100mil will be Net or Gross spend.

Been waiting fucking ages for such a debate.

I'm abstaining from said debate, as it is previously documented that I can't tell the difference between net and gross (even though I work at a bank).
 

lazypoodle

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Aug 19, 2017
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A summer where we re-sign Kane, Alli, and Eriksen is better than a summer where we do nothing. I will be mildly disappointed if all we get done is raise the wage ceiling and buy replacement depth for departures, but I prefer it to a summer where no contract renewals take place and fear of outgoings rises. Having Poch reject Real, ITK suggesting 9-figure spend (gross or net it doesn't matter as either is enough to bring in some amount of quality and refresh the squad), evidence of known player departures up front instead of late surprises, expectations of four+ key contract renewals, plus two unrelated cryptics coming in rapid succession all suggests that so far we're doing things correctly this summer. The unrelated cryptics in particular did not have to come so close together, but that they did is very promising as it means plenty of action is taking place behind the scenes.

What I have to remind myself is that at the end of the day the transfer market is just that, a market. We are building a project. If we don't spend the money this year because the market conditions are bad for us, that leaves us better prepared for a steady build up to success in successive windows. Our squad is highly valued, and as the world becomes increasingly mad, we are better positioned to handle the madness. If we do spend I expect it to be on smart moves that make the club healthier for the long run instead of for a hot headline. We may see no movement and everyone assumes it is Levy screwing Poch, but it is possible that the final price does not appeal to Poch. It may be that the tradeoff for buying one player instead of renewing a handful of key contracts is not worth it to the project. Pochettino appears to be a smart and principled man. I do not believe that he would put up with nonsense from Levy, nor agree to terms that would leave himself in the lurch. He has many years now of close relations with Levy, more than any of his predecessors, and knows who Levy is and what he is about. As such, I believe that no matter how this summer goes, the club will do their best to have us positioned to succeed this season with the resources and opportunities that are available. Unless you want Poch out, the manager who just agreed to these current conditions, that's all you can reasonably demand as well.

Generally I lurk heavily and post little, but I am feeling so good about this summer right now. All the signs point to making the right attempts to bring the club to the right place, such that I had to say something here. My appreciation goes out to the mods and ITKs who put up with all of our crazy ideas, guesses, inappropriately quoted YouTube videos, repeatedly asked and answered questions, poorly chosen ratings, and off-topic opinions about why I have the worst ratio of funny ratings to posts on the site. No one is making you post here but you do a service for all of us, and it makes me genuinely happy to see new content every single day. Thank you for keeping the quiet season lively for me.
 

Insomnia

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Jan 18, 2006
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A summer where we re-sign Kane, Alli, and Eriksen is better than a summer where we do nothing. I will be mildly disappointed if all we get done is raise the wage ceiling and buy replacement depth for departures, but I prefer it to a summer where no contract renewals take place and fear of outgoings rises. Having Poch reject Real, ITK suggesting 9-figure spend (gross or net it doesn't matter as either is enough to bring in some amount of quality and refresh the squad), evidence of known player departures up front instead of late surprises, expectations of four+ key contract renewals, plus two unrelated cryptics coming in rapid succession all suggests that so far we're doing things correctly this summer. The unrelated cryptics in particular did not have to come so close together, but that they did is very promising as it means plenty of action is taking place behind the scenes.

What I have to remind myself is that at the end of the day the transfer market is just that, a market. We are building a project. If we don't spend the money this year because the market conditions are bad for us, that leaves us better prepared for a steady build up to success in successive windows. Our squad is highly valued, and as the world becomes increasingly mad, we are better positioned to handle the madness. If we do spend I expect it to be on smart moves that make the club healthier for the long run instead of for a hot headline. We may see no movement and everyone assumes it is Levy screwing Poch, but it is possible that the final price does not appeal to Poch. It may be that the tradeoff for buying one player instead of renewing a handful of key contracts is not worth it to the project. Pochettino appears to be a smart and principled man. I do not believe that he would put up with nonsense from Levy, nor agree to terms that would leave himself in the lurch. He has many years now of close relations with Levy, more than any of his predecessors, and knows who Levy is and what he is about. As such, I believe that no matter how this summer goes, the club will do their best to have us positioned to succeed this season with the resources and opportunities that are available. Unless you want Poch out, the manager who just agreed to these current conditions, that's all you can reasonably demand as well.

Generally I lurk heavily and post little, but I am feeling so good about this summer right now. All the signs point to making the right attempts to bring the club to the right place, such that I had to say something here. My appreciation goes out to the mods and ITKs who put up with all of our crazy ideas, guesses, inappropriately quoted YouTube videos, repeatedly asked and answered questions, poorly chosen ratings, and off-topic opinions about why I have the worst ratio of funny ratings to posts on the site. No one is making you post here but you do a service for all of us, and it makes me genuinely happy to see new content every single day. Thank you for keeping the quiet season lively for me.[/QUOT
A summer where we re-sign Kane, Alli, and Eriksen is better than a summer where we do nothing. I will be mildly disappointed if all we get done is raise the wage ceiling and buy replacement depth for departures, but I prefer it to a summer where no contract renewals take place and fear of outgoings rises. Having Poch reject Real, ITK suggesting 9-figure spend (gross or net it doesn't matter as either is enough to bring in some amount of quality and refresh the squad), evidence of known player departures up front instead of late surprises, expectations of four+ key contract renewals, plus two unrelated cryptics coming in rapid succession all suggests that so far we're doing things correctly this summer. The unrelated cryptics in particular did not have to come so close together, but that they did is very promising as it means plenty of action is taking place behind the scenes.

What I have to remind myself is that at the end of the day the transfer market is just that, a market. We are building a project. If we don't spend the money this year because the market conditions are bad for us, that leaves us better prepared for a steady build up to success in successive windows. Our squad is highly valued, and as the world becomes increasingly mad, we are better positioned to handle the madness. If we do spend I expect it to be on smart moves that make the club healthier for the long run instead of for a hot headline. We may see no movement and everyone assumes it is Levy screwing Poch, but it is possible that the final price does not appeal to Poch. It may be that the tradeoff for buying one player instead of renewing a handful of key contracts is not worth it to the project. Pochettino appears to be a smart and principled man. I do not believe that he would put up with nonsense from Levy, nor agree to terms that would leave himself in the lurch. He has many years now of close relations with Levy, more than any of his predecessors, and knows who Levy is and what he is about. As such, I believe that no matter how this summer goes, the club will do their best to have us positioned to succeed this season with the resources and opportunities that are available. Unless you want Poch out, the manager who just agreed to these current conditions, that's all you can reasonably demand as well.

Generally I lurk heavily and post little, but I am feeling so good about this summer right now. All the signs point to making the right attempts to bring the club to the right place, such that I had to say something here. My appreciation goes out to the mods and ITKs who put up with all of our crazy ideas, guesses, inappropriately quoted YouTube videos, repeatedly asked and answered questions, poorly chosen ratings, and off-topic opinions about why I have the worst ratio of funny ratings to posts on the site. No one is making you post here but you do a service for all of us, and it makes me genuinely happy to see new content every single day. Thank you for keeping the quiet season lively for me.
Post too long, did not read
 

Lighty64

I believe
Aug 24, 2010
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ITK said £100k investment. That means net spend to me. So Poch gets £100k plus sales (subject to wages etc biting into the budget). If Toby is off and a few others we may have £200m to dabble with.

my take is if Poch could get his 3 or 4 targets tomorrow and it is around the 150m total, it will then just be a case of getting back, whatever we do from transfers.

don't mean it to be as a question but perhaps @Hercules can confirm I'm in the right area.

now going back to my little corner:cautious:
 

robertgoulet

SC Resident Crooner Extraordinaire
Jul 23, 2013
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my take is if Poch could get his 3 or 4 targets tomorrow and it is around the 150m total, it will then just be a case of getting back, whatever we do from transfers.

don't mean it to be as a question but perhaps @Hercules can confirm I'm in the right area.

now going back to my little corner:cautious:

That's what I gathered as well. Theoretically it could be a 150M net but that'd only be if all of our outgoings fell apart and no one was sold!
 

spacessships

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Jan 31, 2013
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Love this place but man the fat needs to be trimmed. I think we’ve more than satisfied the requirement for this window of the following cliches:

1. “Sounds like our budget will be _____. This means we are getting ______, _______, and ________. That’s disappointing/encouraging.”

2. “Thanks ITK! Sounds like [restates ITK, but somehow incorrectly].”

3. “Does anyone know if our budget # is net spend or not?”
RE: Net spend “Pretty sure it’s _______.”

4. (In May/June before a single signing has been made after dozens of windows of Levy’s well-known history of operation) “Wow I can’t believe this window, absolute shit/incredible. Honestly think we’re going down this year/winning the league.”

5. The jokes on this forum are horrible but mine is great: “[insert joke here, even worse than the one before it]”.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

Well-Known Member
Jun 8, 2012
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Love this place but man the fat needs to be trimmed. I think we’ve more than satisfied the requirement for this window of the following cliches:

1. “Sounds like our budget will be _____. This means we are getting ______, _______, and ________. That’s disappointing/encouraging.”

2. “Thanks ITK! Sounds like [restates ITK, but somehow incorrectly].”

3. “Does anyone know if our budget # is net spend or not?”
RE: Net spend “Pretty sure it’s _______.”

4. (In May/June before a single signing has been made after dozens of windows of Levy’s well-known history of operation) “Wow I can’t believe this window, absolute shit/incredible. Honestly think we’re going down this year/winning the league.”

5. The jokes on this forum are horrible but mine is great: “[insert joke here, even worse than the one before it]”.


Someone needs a Snickers.
 

daryl hannah

Berry Berry Calm
Sep 1, 2014
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2 x quality CMs 2 quality x FWDs and a quality CB won't add up to £150m. You could easily add another £100m to that. We've had ITK to suggest that's at least what we're looking to bring in.

No doubt Levy will get good dollar for our outgoing players. Can't see it being anything less than £250m gross spend, and we're likely to bring in more than that with player sales in this market. Just my onions (call me crazy).
 
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Lighty64

I believe
Aug 24, 2010
10,400
12,476
A summer where we re-sign Kane, Alli, and Eriksen is better than a summer where we do nothing. I will be mildly disappointed if all we get done is raise the wage ceiling and buy replacement depth for departures, but I prefer it to a summer where no contract renewals take place and fear of outgoings rises. Having Poch reject Real, ITK suggesting 9-figure spend (gross or net it doesn't matter as either is enough to bring in some amount of quality and refresh the squad), evidence of known player departures up front instead of late surprises, expectations of four+ key contract renewals, plus two unrelated cryptics coming in rapid succession all suggests that so far we're doing things correctly this summer. The unrelated cryptics in particular did not have to come so close together, but that they did is very promising as it means plenty of action is taking place behind the scenes.

What I have to remind myself is that at the end of the day the transfer market is just that, a market. We are building a project. If we don't spend the money this year because the market conditions are bad for us, that leaves us better prepared for a steady build up to success in successive windows. Our squad is highly valued, and as the world becomes increasingly mad, we are better positioned to handle the madness. If we do spend I expect it to be on smart moves that make the club healthier for the long run instead of for a hot headline. We may see no movement and everyone assumes it is Levy screwing Poch, but it is possible that the final price does not appeal to Poch. It may be that the tradeoff for buying one player instead of renewing a handful of key contracts is not worth it to the project. Pochettino appears to be a smart and principled man. I do not believe that he would put up with nonsense from Levy, nor agree to terms that would leave himself in the lurch. He has many years now of close relations with Levy, more than any of his predecessors, and knows who Levy is and what he is about. As such, I believe that no matter how this summer goes, the club will do their best to have us positioned to succeed this season with the resources and opportunities that are available. Unless you want Poch out, the manager who just agreed to these current conditions, that's all you can reasonably demand as well.

Generally I lurk heavily and post little, but I am feeling so good about this summer right now. All the signs point to making the right attempts to bring the club to the right place, such that I had to say something here. My appreciation goes out to the mods and ITKs who put up with all of our crazy ideas, guesses, inappropriately quoted YouTube videos, repeatedly asked and answered questions, poorly chosen ratings, and off-topic opinions about why I have the worst ratio of funny ratings to posts on the site. No one is making you post here but you do a service for all of us, and it makes me genuinely happy to see new content every single day. Thank you for keeping the quiet season lively for me.

keep posting if your going to post well thought out post, makes a nice change(y)
 

lazypoodle

Well-Known Member
Aug 19, 2017
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I have gone at lengths in detail on how our budget and spend would work in this window. Can’t be arsed to find the links:joyful:

I guess I can follow up on my giant wall of text with some community service.


Lilbaz said:

Thanks herc. I'm guessing that the 170m is a gross figure rather thann net especially with ffp 2.0 coming in on the 24th that will limit clubs to a net spend of €100m. Unless that doesn't effect this transfer window.


Either way exciting times. Hopefully it doesn't all go to shit.

"Correct-Gross"

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...on-thread-22nd-may.132851/page-4#post-5889230


"Clarification!!!
Poch wants us “to be brave”. Means, he doesn’t want us to buy one player, then seek to sell 2/3 before we deal next. If! For example we haven’t managed to sell before we acquire our targets. Acquire our targets, then balance the books by outgoings, leaving a deficit of say 30-50m. Hope that makes sense."


http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...on-thread-22nd-may.132851/page-9#post-5889394


"Read my post correctly please people :sneaky:

I said, we will possibly spend 50-60m in 2 players, and possibly 30m. Beyond tgst, we will deal, but ‘creatively’ DL’s forte:smug:"

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...n-thread-22nd-may.132851/page-37#post-5891873

There's more, but I am lazy.
 
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