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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread 20th July
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pablo73
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It's all so utterly, depressingly predictable. Levy seemingly can't or won't adapt to the changes in the transfer market and ultimately this is going to cost us. Clubs like Palace are in much stronger negotiating positions than they were due to the crazy TV money but we still seem to carry on as if nothing has changed. People talk about us getting Alli for £5 million and Dier for £4 million but when was the last time we unearthed a gem? In the past 3 years, the poor buys massively outweigh the successful ones. Poch is not an idiot and if promises are not honoured he will walk so the cost of this outdated transfer policy will cost us long term.
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As easy, no make that as fucking easy as it would be for me to start tearing into R2D2 over this, I'm not going to. The time for that would be when the window closes so until then, I'm keeping my massive store of powder dry. He might actually do well in the end.
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I wonder if the ITK’s & their sources feel it was false promises to Poch or that Levy is genuinely trying to deliver.
I mean try as in breaking the mould & taking a bit of a financial risk as opposed to haggling. We expect clubs to meet our demands for players we sell & it appears Levy won’t do the same.
I mean try as in breaking the mould & taking a bit of a financial risk as opposed to haggling. We expect clubs to meet our demands for players we sell & it appears Levy won’t do the same.
ToDarrenIsToDo
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Fucking hell, you change your mind quicker than my missus.
Haha haven't changed my mind, just stating that he isn't worth anywhere near that amount.
With Hercules saying what he did just now regarding Poch. All pros and cons on this one need to be weighed up when it comes to our Chairman and what he decides.
Personally I don't want him for £70M but if Poch, Kane, Dele & Eriksen potentially walk away from longevity at the club because of it after everything they done for the club, well that's a completely different matter altogether.
Big decisions will probably need to be made
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Quite honestly this is unfucking-believable, the idealism of the short term cost could be insignificant compared to the long term cost for Spurs.
Can't believe there would be any question marks in backing a manager of Pochs ilk.
Fuck a duck i'm miserable.
Can't believe there would be any question marks in backing a manager of Pochs ilk.
Fuck a duck i'm miserable.
JonnySpurs
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I don't think anyone besides Palace values Zaha at 70m so the trick is being able to find a way to a reasonable deal for both sides.
Problem is Levy only really wants to do deals that benefit our side which is why a lot of them fall through.
I'm generally optimistic and positive about these things but even I'm finding it harder to see the light on this occasion.
There's a lot to get done in not much time.
Problem is Levy only really wants to do deals that benefit our side which is why a lot of them fall through.
I'm generally optimistic and positive about these things but even I'm finding it harder to see the light on this occasion.
There's a lot to get done in not much time.
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We have had ITK previously stating that Poch has turned down the signing of certain players as he did not think they were worth the fee being asked for them.
I suspect that any bid for Zaha will include Poch's take on things and if it reaches a point beyond which he values Zaha, then we would withdraw from any attempted transfer for him and move on to another target.
So i'm not overly concerned about peeing Poch off, he is a sensible man and has a good working relationship with Levy from all accounts.
I suspect that any bid for Zaha will include Poch's take on things and if it reaches a point beyond which he values Zaha, then we would withdraw from any attempted transfer for him and move on to another target.
So i'm not overly concerned about peeing Poch off, he is a sensible man and has a good working relationship with Levy from all accounts.
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So many people saying Zaha isn't worth £70m, but if you were a Palace fan is he worth £70m? Of course he is. He is basically the difference between them staying in the Prem and getting relegated. We can't demand top dollar for our players when selling, and then not pay the going rate ourselves.
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It's not really about what he's worth though is it at this stage. We all know Poch really likes him. Obviously there has to be a cut off point but we've signed absolutely no one so far and we've got loads of players that can be sold (and haven't yet been surprise surprise). It's pretty clear we can afford him but we're just not prepared to pay.
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That’s the thing though, sometimes you have to pay over pure market value for an asset if it’s particularly worth it to you.
I like Zaha, but don’t think he’s worth £60-70m either.
However, our revenues have massively increased and there is no point in having a new shiny stadium if the current team and manager start breaking up shortly afterwards for a perceived lack of ambition in the transfer market.
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My view is the same as many of you in that its starting to sound a bit grim if he's not being backed on the players he wants - especially if we also let Alderweireld go to a rival.
However I cannot help thinking that this type of player (Martial/Zaha) is not really a pressing concern when you look at the makeup of the squad with Lucas, Son and Alli all comfortable playing high up the pitch with pace.
Looks like Grealish will probably happen and I'm happy with the transfer, he has potential and should be cheaper due to Villas situation plus can play 2 positions. I'm also fine with the haggling on Grealish. It makes sense we want a fair deal and hold all the cards.
My other concern is Dembele going and no real noise about an established top class central midfielder as this is where I feel we are weakest.
Finally if we are looking at centre backs to replace Alderweireld something tells me Pavard is better value and more likely than De Ligt but I'm disappointed we didn't move quicker if he's been a target as the World Cup will have tacked another 10 million on at least.
However I cannot help thinking that this type of player (Martial/Zaha) is not really a pressing concern when you look at the makeup of the squad with Lucas, Son and Alli all comfortable playing high up the pitch with pace.
Looks like Grealish will probably happen and I'm happy with the transfer, he has potential and should be cheaper due to Villas situation plus can play 2 positions. I'm also fine with the haggling on Grealish. It makes sense we want a fair deal and hold all the cards.
My other concern is Dembele going and no real noise about an established top class central midfielder as this is where I feel we are weakest.
Finally if we are looking at centre backs to replace Alderweireld something tells me Pavard is better value and more likely than De Ligt but I'm disappointed we didn't move quicker if he's been a target as the World Cup will have tacked another 10 million on at least.
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Yeah I read Herc's update and immediately thought well that's going to make everyone overreact even if we do have a good window still... And sure enough everyone is setting themselves up for doom.
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Given that we’re struggling to sell a top defender to a rich club who need a top defender and who are always happy to spunk money up the wall even if it’s on utter bollocks, I can see why everyone is so fucked off with the state of this transfer window.
Of course it only takes a few strong, positive ITK leaks to perk everyone back up again, but given that the club haven’t even had the good sense to drop a few of those, it’s fair to assume we’ve got bugger all going on.
No Martial, no Zaha, still no sign of Grealish, no movement on Pavard and radio silence on De Ligt for over a month with a couple of weeks left to go. Not good enough by half.
Of course it only takes a few strong, positive ITK leaks to perk everyone back up again, but given that the club haven’t even had the good sense to drop a few of those, it’s fair to assume we’ve got bugger all going on.
No Martial, no Zaha, still no sign of Grealish, no movement on Pavard and radio silence on De Ligt for over a month with a couple of weeks left to go. Not good enough by half.
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As always thanks for the info Herc.
So Martial not happening, Zaha very unlikely - overseas, Bale? Nope. Sounds all very familiar.
Seems like if Poch doesn't get his player this summer, he's gone next summer. I mean who can really blame him.
If that happens i might join the #LevyOut club.
But let's see there's still time left in the window - still praying my daily prayer.
So Martial not happening, Zaha very unlikely - overseas, Bale? Nope. Sounds all very familiar.
Seems like if Poch doesn't get his player this summer, he's gone next summer. I mean who can really blame him.
If that happens i might join the #LevyOut club.
But let's see there's still time left in the window - still praying my daily prayer.
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Agreed if this is ultimately the case. Saving £20m not getting him only to lose everything you've built to this point ends up us losing out long term. Some risks, if done for the right reasons are sometimes worth taking.
If buying Zaha for silly boy money ultimately leads to the happiness and security of the nucleus needed to continue kicking on it's a no brainer. All depends what's happening behind the scenes.
Losing vital cogs in the wheel that truly are globally irreplaceable will end up costing the club financially long term so if this simply is the case that promises were made to Pochettino & Kane before signing deals, Levy simply has to act or run the risk of losing money and growth long term.
We are on the right path for the first time in decades, running the risk of ruining that for a one off signing to keep the people that deserve it due to their loyalty and commitment at the club that will ultimately cost same amount an Njie & Nkoudou combined would cost you would be absolutely ludicrous.
Risk/reward time. Don't risk something so wonderful for something so miniscule in the grand scheme of things of this is the case
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I am a passionate fan, which exceeds 50 years, and I have seen a lot first hand. You can put it on a biscuit tin Poch was given assurances, to which I won’t recycle, as we know what they were.
I understand the comments about not paying what we deem OTT in players like Zaha. I stated that our kitty is what it is, but inflation is seen nowhere like our sport. Now if Palace want 65m for him, and 1 or 2 players are thrown in, with us paying say 40m, then pay the farking thing on instalments agreed. And that is how Parish operates.
We have been farting around too long. Announcement/s Monday-Wednesday still stands. I wait with baited breath. Yes! I was optimistic earlier, but less so now. I am not going to bs anybody. You deserve to know the truth.
Hopefully this leaks, and club gets wind, and up there game. And anyone who believes that a certain person is ‘belly happy’, you are then deluded. Many things I would love to say but can’t.
I understand the comments about not paying what we deem OTT in players like Zaha. I stated that our kitty is what it is, but inflation is seen nowhere like our sport. Now if Palace want 65m for him, and 1 or 2 players are thrown in, with us paying say 40m, then pay the farking thing on instalments agreed. And that is how Parish operates.
We have been farting around too long. Announcement/s Monday-Wednesday still stands. I wait with baited breath. Yes! I was optimistic earlier, but less so now. I am not going to bs anybody. You deserve to know the truth.
Hopefully this leaks, and club gets wind, and up there game. And anyone who believes that a certain person is ‘belly happy’, you are then deluded. Many things I would love to say but can’t.
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I honestly can't be arsed to go down the wrist-slitting route because I'm going to keep hoping right up until the window closes that Levy fully understands what's at stake. I don't want to believe that such a brilliant businessman hasn't got his finger right on the pulse when it really counts.
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