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LexingtonSpurs

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Aug 27, 2013
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I have a feeling this stadium will be Levy's legacy - and it will not be a good one.

I hope I am wrong, but I think Spurs have gotten a lot of things wrong about the stadium, and the stadium experience, and about the expectations going into the stadium.

I have no doubt that it will be one of the nicest stadiums in Europe. It has been designed to be a destination point - and that, I think, is a problem. When is the last time you said: "Hey, lets head down to the stadium early, where we can eat over-priced food, and drink over-priced beer!"? Now, imagine the types of "fans" who would not mind overpaying for food and beer on match-day. And, then consider the type of atmosphere they will bring to the stadium.

Most expensive tickets in England. An expectation that fans will spend more time and money at the stadium doing things other than watching a football match. I think it is a short-term boost in revenue - which I completely understand - but at the cost of passionate fans who just want to sing and support their team without all the bells and whistles. I think Spurs will have out-priced many supporters who live and breathe Spurs, and who had the desire to make NWHL a hostile place for teams to play.

And then, on top of the most expensive tickets in England, we get delays - and presumably a semi-finished stadium to start the season. Instead of "Building Up!" towards the opening, by generating fan interest with any new signings, Levy has frittered away a golden marketing opportunity, that he will not eve get back. Spurs should have supporters frothing at the bit to get in to the stadium and support the team - instead its a lot of angst.

Only time will tell, of course. But, I have a feeling this stadium will not be the crowing jewel that Levy has been anticipating.
 

coys200

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May 22, 2017
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I have a feeling this stadium will be Levy's legacy - and it will not be a good one.

I hope I am wrong, but I think Spurs have gotten a lot of things wrong about the stadium, and the stadium experience, and about the expectations going into the stadium.

I have no doubt that it will be one of the nicest stadiums in Europe. It has been designed to be a destination point - and that, I think, is a problem. When is the last time you said: "Hey, lets head down to the stadium early, where we can eat over-priced food, and drink over-priced beer!"? Now, imagine the types of "fans" who would not mind overpaying for food and beer on match-day. And, then consider the type of atmosphere they will bring to the stadium.

Most expensive tickets in England. An expectation that fans will spend more time and money at the stadium doing things other than watching a football match. I think it is a short-term boost in revenue - which I completely understand - but at the cost of passionate fans who just want to sing and support their team without all the bells and whistles. I think Spurs will have out-priced many supporters who live and breathe Spurs, and who had the desire to make NWHL a hostile place for teams to play.

And then, on top of the most expensive tickets in England, we get delays - and presumably a semi-finished stadium to start the season. Instead of "Building Up!" towards the opening, by generating fan interest with any new signings, Levy has frittered away a golden marketing opportunity, that he will not eve get back. Spurs should have supporters frothing at the bit to get in to the stadium and support the team - instead its a lot of angst.

Only time will tell, of course. But, I have a feeling this stadium will not be the crowing jewel that Levy has been anticipating.

Sorry mate but that’s mostly nonsense. We are building a stadium in 2018 what do you want them to do. Build a shit hole with pie and mash outlets. Nobody knows what the match day experience will be like till we actually see it. If the food outlets have a nice variety and are a decent price I see know reason why people won’t eat there before or stay after. And can we please once and for all dismiss this myth that just because someone has a few more quid it makes them a shit supporter. They’ve built a stadium for the 21st century. I’m not sure what you’re expecting build a brand new stadium and make it exactly same as the old one that was first built 100 years ago.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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Aug 27, 2013
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We will see. I am very much a "hope for the best, expect less" kind of guy.

I think the stadium, and the concept look great. I think it will fail in execution - and it certainly has been a missed marketing opportunity for Spurs heading into the stadium. There is no denying that.
 

SandroClegane

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Jun 27, 2012
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I have a feeling this stadium will be Levy's legacy - and it will not be a good one.

I hope I am wrong, but I think Spurs have gotten a lot of things wrong about the stadium, and the stadium experience, and about the expectations going into the stadium.

I have no doubt that it will be one of the nicest stadiums in Europe. It has been designed to be a destination point - and that, I think, is a problem. When is the last time you said: "Hey, lets head down to the stadium early, where we can eat over-priced food, and drink over-priced beer!"? Now, imagine the types of "fans" who would not mind overpaying for food and beer on match-day. And, then consider the type of atmosphere they will bring to the stadium.

Most expensive tickets in England. An expectation that fans will spend more time and money at the stadium doing things other than watching a football match. I think it is a short-term boost in revenue - which I completely understand - but at the cost of passionate fans who just want to sing and support their team without all the bells and whistles. I think Spurs will have out-priced many supporters who live and breathe Spurs, and who had the desire to make NWHL a hostile place for teams to play.

And then, on top of the most expensive tickets in England, we get delays - and presumably a semi-finished stadium to start the season. Instead of "Building Up!" towards the opening, by generating fan interest with any new signings, Levy has frittered away a golden marketing opportunity, that he will not eve get back. Spurs should have supporters frothing at the bit to get in to the stadium and support the team - instead its a lot of angst.

Only time will tell, of course. But, I have a feeling this stadium will not be the crowing jewel that Levy has been anticipating.
So just because people have money they aren't as passionate? I think that's really off base.

Also, they've had to build an entire stadium in two years which is a feat of engineering in itself! Who's going to remember that one match was moved in 2018?

By the way, there's still three weeks to generate "fan interest" with signings...
 

southlondonyiddo

My eyes have seen some of the glory..
Nov 8, 2004
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Sorry mate but that’s mostly nonsense. We are building a stadium in 2018 what do you want them to do. Build a shit hole with pie and mash outlets. Nobody knows what the match day experience will be like till we actually see it. If the food outlets have a nice variety and are a decent price I see know reason why people won’t eat there before or stay after. And can we please once and for all dismiss this myth that just because someone has a few more quid it makes them a shit supporter. They’ve built a stadium for the 21st century. I’m not sure what you’re expecting build a brand new stadium and make it exactly same as the old one that was first built 100 years ago.


Yeah that West stand at the old ground was absolutely rocking!

Point is the more 'luxurious’ it is and the more corporate areas there are the worse and quieter the atmosphere
 

slartibartfast

Grunge baby forever
Oct 21, 2012
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I have a feeling this stadium will be Levy's legacy - and it will not be a good one.

I hope I am wrong, but I think Spurs have gotten a lot of things wrong about the stadium, and the stadium experience, and about the expectations going into the stadium.

I have no doubt that it will be one of the nicest stadiums in Europe. It has been designed to be a destination point - and that, I think, is a problem. When is the last time you said: "Hey, lets head down to the stadium early, where we can eat over-priced food, and drink over-priced beer!"? Now, imagine the types of "fans" who would not mind overpaying for food and beer on match-day. And, then consider the type of atmosphere they will bring to the stadium.

Most expensive tickets in England. An expectation that fans will spend more time and money at the stadium doing things other than watching a football match. I think it is a short-term boost in revenue - which I completely understand - but at the cost of passionate fans who just want to sing and support their team without all the bells and whistles. I think Spurs will have out-priced many supporters who live and breathe Spurs, and who had the desire to make NWHL a hostile place for teams to play.

And then, on top of the most expensive tickets in England, we get delays - and presumably a semi-finished stadium to start the season. Instead of "Building Up!" towards the opening, by generating fan interest with any new signings, Levy has frittered away a golden marketing opportunity, that he will not eve get back. Spurs should have supporters frothing at the bit to get in to the stadium and support the team - instead its a lot of angst.

Only time will tell, of course. But, I have a feeling this stadium will not be the crowing jewel that Levy has been anticipating.
Fk me you're a ray of sunshine.
I would imagine quite a bit of actual research has gone into the stadium on what will work and what wont rather than just thinking lets do this.
Besides, you won't be able to fkin leave for 2hrs after the match anyway so what choice will you have lol.
 

popstar7

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Jan 14, 2012
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I think the club genuinely do want a stadium that rocks. It's not just PR. Everything about the design from closeness to the pitch to the South Stand suggests they wanted a stadium that would give the eleven on the pitch the best possible support. Mistakes made at Old Trafford, the Emirates and other grounds have been taken on board. Hopefully they've got it right. In the end it's down to the crowd themselves though.
 

danielneeds

Kick-Ass
May 5, 2004
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I have a feeling this stadium will be Levy's legacy - and it will not be a good one.

I hope I am wrong, but I think Spurs have gotten a lot of things wrong about the stadium, and the stadium experience, and about the expectations going into the stadium.

I have no doubt that it will be one of the nicest stadiums in Europe. It has been designed to be a destination point - and that, I think, is a problem. When is the last time you said: "Hey, lets head down to the stadium early, where we can eat over-priced food, and drink over-priced beer!"? Now, imagine the types of "fans" who would not mind overpaying for food and beer on match-day. And, then consider the type of atmosphere they will bring to the stadium.

Most expensive tickets in England. An expectation that fans will spend more time and money at the stadium doing things other than watching a football match. I think it is a short-term boost in revenue - which I completely understand - but at the cost of passionate fans who just want to sing and support their team without all the bells and whistles. I think Spurs will have out-priced many supporters who live and breathe Spurs, and who had the desire to make NWHL a hostile place for teams to play.

And then, on top of the most expensive tickets in England, we get delays - and presumably a semi-finished stadium to start the season. Instead of "Building Up!" towards the opening, by generating fan interest with any new signings, Levy has frittered away a golden marketing opportunity, that he will not eve get back. Spurs should have supporters frothing at the bit to get in to the stadium and support the team - instead its a lot of angst.

Only time will tell, of course. But, I have a feeling this stadium will not be the crowing jewel that Levy has been anticipating.
I’m sorry but I think you’re spouting some romantic nonsense about the Lane of the past. There were many good things about it, but being able to get a decent drink pre or post game was not one.

I had some good times in the Bell And Hare, or the Bill Nic, but let’s be honest, most of the time you were queuing for ages to get a plastic glass of piss warm beer.

If the new bars inside the stadium are not too expensive, and don’t take long to get served, I may well go to the stadium early, meet mates, have some drinks, and then not have to worry about rushing to get to my seat.

London’s changed so much in the last few decades - it’s not a city for the working class anymore. And building a stadium that didn’t reflect that would have been stupid.
 

Reece

Shutterbug
May 27, 2005
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I’m happy to stay around the stadium before and after the game, but they need to have some other things going on other than just eating and drinking there for me.

Let’s face it - the prices aren’t going to be reasonable in a brand new stadium in London. So some kind of on-pitch entertainment, a youth team game, meet the players, or a whole host of other things that half-decent event planners can come up with would be cool.

The club did ask about this in the survey so I hope they put some interesting things on. After all if it’s cheaper to eat and drink somewhere else with more going on, why are you going to stay at a stadium to do it?
 

coys200

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May 22, 2017
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Everything changes including football. 50 years ago half the population worked in factories now they work out of Starbucks ( not factually correct but you get the idea). Actually think we will be pioneers and change the matchday experience forever. The new stadium to come will follow our lead, they will be much more than just football stadium. Why does football have to be a grubby experience. Originally football was the entertainment for the working man. But the working man is not what he was 50 years ago. They even let woman go to football these days.
 

coys200

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May 22, 2017
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We will see. I am very much a "hope for the best, expect less" kind of guy.

I think the stadium, and the concept look great. I think it will fail in execution - and it certainly has been a missed marketing opportunity for Spurs heading into the stadium. There is no denying that.

I do agree on a marquee signing though even it meant adding £100m to the debt imo it would have been worth it. Even taking away the benefits on the footballing side of say a Bale. It would have silenced all the doubters comparing us to the arsenal build and just emphasised the statement the stadium already is. Shocks me Levy can’t see that.
 

coys200

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May 22, 2017
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I’m happy to stay around the stadium before and after the game, but they need to have some other things going on other than just eating and drinking there for me.

Let’s face it - the prices aren’t going to be reasonable in a brand new stadium in London. So some kind of on-pitch entertainment, a youth team game, meet the players, or a whole host of other things that half-decent event planners can come up with would be cool.

The club did ask about this in the survey so I hope they put some interesting things on. After all if it’s cheaper to eat and drink somewhere else with more going on, why are you going to stay at a stadium to do it?

I think there is, sure I saw some stuff about the “market place” which is meant to be the hub of activity that there would be live music etc after games.
 

TheVoiceofReason

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Feb 5, 2005
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Back in the day your average football fan could buy a house in London on a few years wages. Now days it all goes on iPhones, craft beer and Nando’s because opportunities for social mobility have been reduced to fuck all.

Underneath the posh haircut and £50 aftershave lives the the same angry, frustrated man that was singing on the terraces 30 years ago.
 

davidmatzdorf

Front Page Gadfly
Jun 7, 2004
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I have a feeling..

Only time will tell, of course. But, I have a feeling...

This phrase is a "tell" for bullshit. Never fails to denote guesswork and sentiment unsupported by evidence. The stadium may be successful or not, but it won't be because of your "feeling". You're just in the mood to have a moan.

One major reason for all the flap and fuss about getting people to come early and leave late is because the transport strategy depends on it. They have to stagger arrivals and departures to reduce pressure on the buses. It's written into the planning documents.

Like most fans I know, I'll just ignore it and show up when I used to, just in time for the match. If the microbrewery turns out to be good, I may change my half time routine and have a beer. Then I'll head for the bus after the final whistle.
 

coys200

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May 22, 2017
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Reminds me a bit of bookies. 20 years ago they were disgusting smoke filled cesspits. Now my local PP has wooden floors is spotlessly clean and I’m quite happy to sit in there and have my Waitrose meal deal watching live racing from Mumbai. Something I’d never dreamt was likely , shit changes.
 
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