Jack Grealish

ToDarrenIsToDo · Jul 30, 2018

dontcallme said:
Grealish is a player I was very on the fence for.

I didn’t know much about him but have been reading and listening to a variety of opinions and stats.

Still none the wiser. Some think he is potentially great and an international player.

Others question his ability and attitude.

So can’t say I am disappointed if we miss out.

I personally think Grealish would have been the perfect signing for CM/AM options. He's not only homegrown but he has so many qualities that Pochettino loves to work with and make better. He'd have become a better footballer working at Spurs and it honestly wouldn't have surprised me to see him take Dembeles role in the middle of the park if he'd continued his development like he has demonstrated over the last 6 months.

I think it's a great shame to have missed out on him for our homegrown quotas, our ability to mould good young talent, the positions in the park he could have added quality in and for the player himself. If he'd signed for Spurs he could have potentially been a starter in the middle of the park for England at the Euro 2020's.

Very disappointed we haven't got him in based on his potential as we and him may struggle to see it grow at the highest level for club and country now

dontcallme · Jul 30, 2018

ToDarrenIsToDo said:
I personally think Grealish would have been the perfect signing for CM/AM options. He's not only homegrown but he has so many qualities that Pochettino loves to work with and make better. He'd have become a better footballer working at Spurs and it honestly wouldn't have surprised me to see him take Dembeles role in the middle of the park if he'd continued his development like he has demonstrated over the last 6 months.

I think it's a great shame to have missed out on him for our homegrown quotas, our ability to mould good young talent, the positions in the park he could have added quality in and for the player himself. If he'd signed for Spurs he could have potentially been a starter in the middle of the park for England at the Euro 2020's.

Very disappointed we haven't got him in based on his potential as we and him may struggle to see it grow at the highest level for club and country now

All well and good but I have heard Villa fans and fans of other Championship clubs saying he really isn’t that good.

So I remain on the fence as to his ability.

I am going to take a guess that you haven’t seen that much of him.

freeeki · Jul 30, 2018

Yet again we miss out on a player we could/should have had wrapped up weeks ago because Levy insists on playing funny fuckers and can’t just pay the reasonable price quoted by a struggling club.

I see being brave and backing the manager is going well.

ToDarrenIsToDo · Jul 30, 2018

dontcallme said:
All well and good but I have heard Villa fans and fans of other Championship clubs saying he really isn’t that good.

So I remain on the fence as to his ability.

I am going to take a guess that you haven’t seen that much of him.

I've watch most games when they are on TV and I've seen enough intelligence when Grealish plays to know that he deserves to be playing at a higher level in order to test himself than for a team that can't win promotion via the playoffs.

He has a lot of rough edges but he has 2 or 3 traits, such as his natural attack minded aggressivenesss, his ability to win free kicks when under pressure either in the middle or high up the pitch and his dribbling skills to see that there is a player in there. The only thing that might hinder him and his progress is his physical attributes as when he does get away from players he doesn't have the pace to get all of the way past them and they do seem to make up ground but I saw a big improvement in him whenever I watched them last year to the point where it started catching my eye.

I can see why Pochettino likes him, I think he fits our youthful, skillful players with potential model pretty much nailed on for a homegrown quota slot. It's the shame the kid won't get his big break to see if he's got it against proper players

archiewasking · Jul 30, 2018

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King of Otters said:
Pretty sure Hercules said he was Poch's top target, or something along those lines.

And given Trix's info about it being on a plate but we just didn't pull the trigger, if that is true, we should have just got it done. Whatever our opinion on Grealish, Poch's is the one that matters at the end of the day. If he's happy, I'm a billionaire with a string of tropical islands that I own. Not a 3 bed end of terrace in Peterborough with an overdraft.

Blackrat1299 · Jul 30, 2018

hughy said:
The missing roof panel?

Leads to the 'Stairway to Heaven!'

nedley · Jul 30, 2018

This will only be dead if he signs a new deal, moves to another club or the when the window closes.

Legacy · Jul 30, 2018

nedley said:
This will only be dead if he signs a new deal, moves to another club or the when the window closes.

Or we sign a better player in the same position.

ebzrascal · Jul 30, 2018

gerishep said:
Poor Jack, wriggling on the end of Levy's line. Sorry Jack just waiting to see if a bigger fish comes along.

I really hate the way Levy does transfer business!

Blackrat1299 · Jul 30, 2018

We are like the BBC, repeats every year

PS. If I am to have a meltdown, I will do a rerun of last year!

Wsussexspur · Jul 30, 2018

ebzrascal said:
I really hate the way Levy does transfer business!

I think a lot of people do which is partly the reason we find it so hard to sign players as clubs just don’t want the hassle of dealing with us when they can do an easier deal else where.

danny32 · Jul 30, 2018

djee said:
Few thoughts:

- Most likely, the whole deal was an opportunistic one that presented itself after Villa's failure in their quest for promotion. Villa's subsequent financial woe then made it a deal that might have been concluded under what may be considered market rate. This was what I suspect was attractive to Levy and Pochettino - a chance to sign a talented player at an attractive, cut-price fee. A 'no-brainer', one may say.
- Whilst the deal was looking good - player keen and Villa resigned to losing their best player just to balance the books, a life-line was handed to them in the form of the takeover. As soon as this happened, any deal at the price we were willing to sanction was in off the table. It isn't hard to imagine that an emboldened Villa suddenly made the transfer unattractive. Furthermore, for the new ownership to agree for their jewel in the crown to leave for anything other than silly money would not have won them many favors in the eyes of the Villa faithful.
- The crux of it, perhaps crudely put was that from our side, Levy and Poch probably looked at the matter as objectively as possible and could not justify spending over the odds for a player that may not be better than what we have in the youth ranks already. For example, they may have compared Grealish to say, Amos or Skipp and asked whether the Villa man was, say, worth 35m more than either of them.

I appreciate the frustration but a smart piece of business clearly became much more of a financial risk and therefore dead. Grealish is a really talented player and I hope he gets to fulfill his potential in due course. As for us, it is a shame as we invested a tremendous amount of energy into the deal - that said, this is one that was rather publically played out and lots of other business is undertaken in parallel without as much attention.

A great summing up of the situation.

i feel for Grealish because it really could stall his career continuing in the Championship and obviously financially he would be better off with the move. I think the new owners are keeping their options open and have time on their side to see if anybody else comes in and pays their price and if not a compromise could still be reached with us. Would of thought that his agent would be working his balls off to get the move and Bruce would have some empathy with the situation.

Japhet · Jul 30, 2018

Missed opportunity before the Villa takeover IMO. Maybe he'll kick off and try to force his way out, who knows? Can't imagine he'll be too happy about another season in the Championship.

Metalhead · Jul 30, 2018

Hoopspur said:
We could put together multiple reasons and maybe we would land somewhere in the middle. One of mine would be Dembele staying for another season, versus his contract versus need.

Quite possible that was a factor.

Metalhead · Jul 30, 2018

Japhet said:
Missed opportunity before the Villa takeover IMO. Maybe he'll kick off and try to force his way out, who knows? Can't imagine he'll be too happy about another season in the Championship.

Do you think that it's odd that noone else seemed to be in for him?

0-Tibsy-0 · Jul 30, 2018

The only strain of optimism that I am clinging too, after a mini meltdown last night, is that perhaps it was a conscience decision not to pursue Grealish given that Trix mentioned we had it all ready to pull the trigger on. If that is indeed the case I suppose there is the slight possibility we made this decision because someone that Poch prefers became available or became more likely.

I am not convinced.

But i'm certainly hoping that rather than this transfer window being a clusterfuck of embarrassing proportions, we actually are still advancing behind the scenes with a tangible plan...

Yeah, as i said. Not convinced.

SpartanSpur · Jul 30, 2018

Metalhead said:
Do you think that it's odd that noone else seemed to be in for him?

Other teams did have a sniff, by all accounts we won the player over. We just strung the player on and on until it went tits up. This is based on snippets from Trix who has a very close source to this particular deal.

JonnySpurs · Jul 30, 2018

djee said:
Few thoughts:

- Most likely, the whole deal was an opportunistic one that presented itself after Villa's failure in their quest for promotion. Villa's subsequent financial woe then made it a deal that might have been concluded under what may be considered market rate. This was what I suspect was attractive to Levy and Pochettino - a chance to sign a talented player at an attractive, cut-price fee. A 'no-brainer', one may say.
- Whilst the deal was looking good - player keen and Villa resigned to losing their best player just to balance the books, a life-line was handed to them in the form of the takeover. As soon as this happened, any deal at the price we were willing to sanction was in off the table. It isn't hard to imagine that an emboldened Villa suddenly made the transfer unattractive. Furthermore, for the new ownership to agree for their jewel in the crown to leave for anything other than silly money would not have won them many favors in the eyes of the Villa faithful.
- The crux of it, perhaps crudely put was that from our side, Levy and Poch probably looked at the matter as objectively as possible and could not justify spending over the odds for a player that may not be better than what we have in the youth ranks already. For example, they may have compared Grealish to say, Amos or Skipp and asked whether the Villa man was, say, worth 35m more than either of them.

I appreciate the frustration but a smart piece of business clearly became much more of a financial risk and therefore dead. Grealish is a really talented player and I hope he gets to fulfill his potential in due course. As for us, it is a shame as we invested a tremendous amount of energy into the deal - that said, this is one that was rather publically played out and lots of other business is undertaken in parallel without as much attention.

This post is getting overlooked.

A very sensible, mature, level-headed look at what has more than likely happened with this transfer.

There is no doubt that Grealish would have been well worth buying at around 20m but as soon as Villa were in a position to demand closer to the 40m that they want, this deal was never worth doing and it's better to walk away.

I mostly feel sorry for the player whose head has most certainly been turned. Hopefully this can be revived for his sake and a reasonable deal can be done but if not then so be it.

Long Lost · Jul 30, 2018

In no way, at this time, can not signing Grealish be seen as a failure. If we weren’t all so desperate for a signing this would be a very ‘meh’ moment (to steal Hercs phrase from earlier in the window).

We had ITK from both sides saying it was all but done (didn’t The Journalist say it was as done as any deal can be?).

We DECIDED not to proceed, to pull the trigger. Those of you with a penchant for doing so might even give credit to Levy: brokered a deal in tricky circumstances (including new club owners), agreed everything with the player and agents but still decided to move on.

The only way this choice not to sign Grealish becomes a mistake is if we fail to sign a better player in the next 10 days. So I’ll wait patiently until the end of the window and reserve judgement until then.

wrd · Jul 30, 2018

Wouldn't be shocked to see Andre Gomes be who we sign now.

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