The Spurs Youth Thread - 2018/19

Bus-Conductor · Jul 31, 2018

danielneeds said:
It's not realistic think Skipp and Amos could handle the responsibility of being main CMs in the PL straight away. It's the hardest position to play in the PL, with almost constant pressure and decision making going on all the time. I would definitely like to see tham get some proper minutes, but if the injuries situation with Wanyama and Winks is not looking good, and with Dembele always a worry, we need some strengthening there.

Also, Carter-Vickers still doesn't look like he can handle playing the high line and bringing the ball out that Poch needs in his system. It takes a very talented and confident player to play like Verts, Toby and even Sanchez struggled with it at times. He'd probably be Ok in the PL at a team that sits deeper, and doesn't require him to ball play out.

This is a genuine question, but who would scare you more in a CM2 in the PL net season, Sissoko or Skipp (or Amos)?

I've never been CCV's biggest fan, but wasn't he the one that actually saved us a couple of times when our high line got sprung in these last couple of games. Like I said, I'm not as big a fan of CCV as some, and I'd always thought he looked a bit slow on the turn, but I thought he handled some lively opponents reasonably well in the last two games.

danielneeds · Jul 31, 2018

Bus-Conductor said:
This is a genuine question, but who would scare you more in a CM2 in the PL net season, Sissoko or Skipp (or Amos)?

I've never been CCV's biggest fan, but wasn't he the one that actually saved us a couple of times when our high line got sprung in these last couple of games. Like I said, I'm not as big a fan of CCV as some, and I'd always thought he looked a bit slow on the turn, but I thought he handled some lively opponents reasonably well in the last two games.

I like Sissoko in CM as much as the next man. That is, not at all. But it's just not realistic at the moment to ask the other two to become senior players in the most difficult position to learn in such a competitive league.

Bus-Conductor · Jul 31, 2018

danielneeds said:
I like Sissoko in CM as much as the next man. That is, not at all. But it's just not realistic at the moment to ask the other two to become senior players in the most difficult position to learn in such a competitive league.

The only reason it's not realistic is because we doubt Poch would be brave enough to do it. But I can't think of a single footballing reason why Sissoko would play in a CM2 ahead of Skipp (or Onomah or Amos). Skipp is better in every way. Even his basic control of a football is better. He reads and snuffs out danger better, is more dynamic, he doesn't treat the ball like a live hand grenade and his passing is more assured.

wrd · Jul 31, 2018

Bus-Conductor said:
The only reason it's not realistic is because we doubt Poch would be brave enough to do it. But I can't think of a single footballing reason why Sissoko would play in a CM2 ahead of Skipp (or Onomah or Amos). Skipp is better in every way. Even his basic control of a football is better. He reads and snuffs out danger better, is more dynamic, he doesn't treat the ball like a live hand grenade and his passing is more assured.

Probably a degree of pressure it would put on the lad at such an early stage of his development has to come into it, I wonder especially in a position such as cm how much mentally it affects young players to be given so much responsibility compared to say a winger.

Bus-Conductor · Jul 31, 2018

wrd said:
Probably a degree of pressure it would put on the lad at such an early stage of his development has to come into it, I wonder especially in a position such as cm how much mentally it affects young players to be given so much responsibility compared to say a winger.

Does it look to you like Sissoko handles pressure well ? Aurier ?

Honestly mate, most of these kids fucking dream of it. Crave it, relish it. When was the last time one of these kids actually let us down or went to pieces - any worse than a well seasoned purchased player has let us down or had a stinker?

danielneeds · Jul 31, 2018

wrd said:
Probably a degree of pressure it would put on the lad at such an early stage of his development has to come into it, I wonder especially in a position such as cm how much mentally it affects young players to be given so much responsibility compared to say a winger.

Exactly. A couple of high profile mistakes can crush a kid at that age.

danielneeds · Aug 1, 2018

Bus-Conductor said:
Does it look to you like Sissoko handles pressure well ? Aurier ?

Honestly mate, most of these kids fucking dream of it. Crave it, relish it. When was the last time one of these kids actually let us down or went to pieces - any worse than a well seasoned purchased player has let us down or had a stinker?

The fact is once you're older, a seasoned pro, the mistakes don't weigh you down. You go home, play with your kids, and it doesn't matter so much. For a kid who wants it so bad, pressure can tell. We saw it was getting to Winks in the 2nd half of last season. And he's one of the most mature and confident kids I've ever seen.

wrd · Aug 1, 2018

danielneeds said:
The fact is once you're older, a seasoned pro, the mistakes don't weigh you down as much. You go home, play with your kids, and it doesn't matter so much. For a kid who wants it so bad, pressure can tell. We saw it was getting to Winks in the 2nd half of last season. And he's one of the most mature and confident kids I've ever seen.

Yeah for me it's about easing them into low pressure games, I don't want to see somebody like skipp have a tough debut and that weigh down on him and stunt his progression, where as I couldn't give a shit whether it affects Sissoko because he doesn't have his whole career ahead of him.

Bus-Conductor · Aug 1, 2018

danielneeds said:
The fact is once you're older, a seasoned pro, the mistakes don't weigh you down. You go home, play with your kids, and it doesn't matter so much. For a kid who wants it so bad, pressure can tell. We saw it was getting to Winks in the 2nd half of last season. And he's one of the most mature and confident kids I've ever seen.

Don't buy it. We also saw pressure getting to seasoned international footballers like Aurier who could even take a throw in in one game.

I think these kids are more resilient sometimes because they've got less to lose than some of the more experienced pros. Poch himself said he owed a debt to players like Mason (Bentaleb) and Kane for getting him out of the shit when senior players were letting him down.

guru · Aug 1, 2018

To be honest , the only one who I think will be good enough for us , out of the current bunch is Oliver Skipp , but he still has a lot to learn. The others I think are being put in the shop window, nice lads get them a club , sort of thing . The ones leaving were being fed empty promises , whether it’s their agents or parents doing , they are all wiseing up and moving on . As I said before , there seems to be a lot of things happening in our academy and I think you will see a lot more lads leaving , a great shame as we have some real talents.

SpursD22 · Aug 1, 2018

KWP RB, Georgiou LB, TJ Eyoma CB, Marsh, Skipp & Amos in midfield all starts

Whiteman & CCV on the bench

EQP · Aug 1, 2018

@Blake Griffin KWP at RB!!!!!! :geek:

EQP · Aug 1, 2018

----Llorente---
GKN ------------------------------ Lucas
Amos ---------- Skipp
------------Marsh----------------
Georgiou------- Sanchez ---- Eyoma ----- KWP

willcpt17 · Aug 1, 2018

ChristianBaler said:
maybe a 2% chance of that happening

I imagine even less of a chance to be in the starting XI, but there he is:

ChristianBaler · Aug 1, 2018

willcpt17 said:
I imagine even less of a chance to be in the starting XI, but there he is:

surprised to say the least, but not really as i doubt Poch wants to take any major risks with players.

glad to see KWP getting a start in his preferred position

allpaths · Aug 1, 2018

danielneeds said:
Exactly. A couple of high profile mistakes can crush a kid at that age.

if amos cant handle the pressure of playing with us now, then he'll never be able. Imo Luke can handle the pressure well enough were he deserves his chance. He showed with his mature performances on loan last year that, he has moved on from his shacky schloar days and is mentally strong enough for the professional game. Now the only question is if he has the talent to play at our level.

Skipp is one of the finest talents this club has produced in recent years and has the makeup of an international captain. Therefore if he's the best option for the squad he should play.

EQP · Aug 1, 2018

Ben Pearce on Twitter asked Poch about Luke Amos.

Pochettino on whether he could put Luke Amos in the squad at Newcastle: "In my fifth year, you think I'm going to be scared to play him? The young players that maybe still don't have experience in high competition, the compensation is desire and energy."

#thfc Pochettino: "He's not so young - 21 - but maybe he doesn't have Premier League experience. But his performances in the three games here showed it's not a problem to put him in to play. Maybe he's going to play ahead of some senior players. I'm more than brave."

Bodes well for Amos.

Hakkz · Aug 1, 2018

KWP got MotM.

Luka Van der Bale · Aug 1, 2018

SlumDilla said:
Ben Pearce on Twitter asked Poch about Luke Amos.

Pochettino on whether he could put Luke Amos in the squad at Newcastle: "In my fifth year, you think I'm going to be scared to play him? The young players that maybe still don't have experience in high competition, the compensation is desire and energy."

#thfc Pochettino: "He's not so young - 21 - but maybe he doesn't have Premier League experience. But his performances in the three games here showed it's not a problem to put him in to play. Maybe he's going to play ahead of some senior players. I'm more than brave."

Bodes well for Amos.

Brave. There’s that word again - maybe it didn’t mean what everyone is assuming after all!

Hercules · Aug 1, 2018

Luka Van der Bale said:
Brave. There’s that word again - maybe it didn’t mean what everyone is assuming after all!

Clutching at straws to appease one self

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