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The Summer Transfer Window POST MORTEM THREAD

ToDarrenIsToDo

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What's not a pinch of salt is that, at a minimum, Poch wanted our CM area sorted, that's glaringly obvious to anyone, and he had a right to get that resolved, so we can watch the best Tottenham team compete at the highest level. It didn't happen! Would not be surprised that Poch's just a little bit pissed!

Name me 5 central midfielders over the last 12 months that have been better than Mousa that were within a realistic budget, that wanted the wages that sit within what we offer a first time signer and that fits Pochettinos culture and belief system which we all know is a very big deal to him as he tries to shape his style on the team.

The pool of quality is so small when trying identify this as well as trying to balance costs with a £1bn stadium investment, it really wouldn't surprise me if it was Grealish, Kovacic or nothing you know and even Kovacic was probably too far out of reach money wise if he'd become available.

I'm sure Pochettino wanted signings but I'm sure he means what he says when he talks about not spending money if better players aren't out there available to buy. I think we chose to keep Dembele rather than risk it for someone he wasn't too certain of at a pretty high cost. The last thing we'd want is another Sissoko on our hands and whilst it's an area of weakness, we've got more than enough depth in there should we need to move a couple of things around
 
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ShayLaB

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Porch said we have spent nearly £1b on facilities.

The naming rights agreement fell through

The huge wages for top players so no losses

Improving our first XI would require a huge investment at s time when cash flow is probably an issue

Every club is different but right here and right now we are undoubtedly under serious financial limitations.

These are all legitimates reasons we have not bought anyone.

Reasons.

Not excuses
 
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parj

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Name me 5 better centre midfielders over the last 12 months that have been better than Mousa that were within a realistic budget, that wanted the wages that sit within what we offer a first time signer that fits Pochettinos culture and belief system which we all know is a very big deal to him as he tries to shape his style on the team.

The pool of quality is so small when trying identify this as well as trying to balance costs with a £1bn stadium investment, it really wouldn't surprise me if it was Grealish, Kovacic or nothing you know and even Kovacic was probably too far out of reach money wise if he'd become available.

I'm sure Pochettino wanted signings but I'm sure he means what he says when he talks about not spending money is better players aren't out there available to buy. I think we chose to keep Dembele rather than risk it for someone he wasn't too certain on at a pretty high cost. The last thing we'd want is another Sissoko on our hands and whilst it's an area of weakness, we've got more than enough depth in there should we need to move a couple of things around

Absolutely spot on. I got mates supporting other teams who genuinely believe upgrading our first XI without man city funds was going to be difficult. Taking risks is great, but we in a position risks are less likely to pay off.
 

shelfmonkey

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After sleeping on a disaster of a transfer window I've reconsidered how I feel, at the end of last season I was :LOL:, at the beginning of the world cup I was :cool:, at the end of the world cup I was :playful:, a few weeks ago I was :happy:, in the last two weeks I've been :peeking: :cat: :unsure: :cautious: :shifty: :banghead: :mad:, this morning I'm just :(! Cheers Danny boy.
 

luptic

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Fuck the transfer disappointment, Newcastle away on Saturday time to get behind the team. Us signing no one should really put it up to Poch and the Mgt to ensure we win our first match.
 

voxy28

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From this saga, u know that no one wants to deal with Levy..... that’s why no one comes for our players and no one wants to sell to us. He is a liability for our transfer.
 

Ekmek

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Name me 5 central midfielders over the last 12 months that have been better than Mousa that were within a realistic budget, that wanted the wages that sit within what we offer a first time signer and that fits Pochettinos culture and belief system which we all know is a very big deal to him as he tries to shape his style on the team.

The pool of quality is so small when trying identify this as well as trying to balance costs with a £1bn stadium investment, it really wouldn't surprise me if it was Grealish, Kovacic or nothing you know and even Kovacic was probably too far out of reach money wise if he'd become available.

I'm sure Pochettino wanted signings but I'm sure he means what he says when he talks about not spending money if better players aren't out there available to buy. I think we chose to keep Dembele rather than risk it for someone he wasn't too certain of at a pretty high cost. The last thing we'd want is another Sissoko on our hands and whilst it's an area of weakness, we've got more than enough depth in there should we need to move a couple of things around

Dembele is 31 and cant play a whole season. So there should not be that hard to find someone, I could mention many thats to my liking but its hard for us to know what Poch wanted and wich skill set he wanted for a cm.
 
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ToDarrenIsToDo

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Dembele is 31 and cant play a whole season. So there should not be that hard to find someone, I could mention many thats to my liking but its hard for us to know what Poch wanted and wich skill set he wanted for a cm.

Who then? Dembele may not be able to play a whole season but who's to say Winks won't step up again this year or that Skipp can't knock down doors like he has ripping up the u23's when he's still only 17 years of age? The only one I know genuinely excited me was Grealish for a CM/AM type of role but if you know of others that were within our wage bracket and transfer fee restrictions, as well as helped solve our nonHG issues I'll check them out and keep my eye on them
 

samspurs92

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Woken up really fucked off.

We’re getting slaughtered in the media but the worse thing is the news from VY and Herc that Poch is not happy.

What the fuck is Levy playing at?
 

Hakkz

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Who then? Dembele may not be able to play a whole season but who's to say Winks won't step up again this year or that Skipp can't knock down doors like he has ripping up the u23's when he's still only 17 years of age? The only one I know genuinely excited me was Grealish for a CM/AM type of role but if you know of others that were within our wage bracket and transfer fee restrictions, as well as helped solve our nonHG issues I'll check them out and keep my eye on them

That's why we have professional scouts working full time and aren't dependant on scouting reports from people on a internet forum. Which is why this is such a failure. We should at least have been able to find someone for depth that has potental for the future (doesn't need to be a FIFA wonderkid).
 

parj

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Last season we finished a distant 3rd in the league and were generally competitive in the cups, if we genuinely wanted to progress beyond that, then I think it is clear our squad needed strengthening and a couple of key man risks needed addressing. In particular we have been extremely lucky Eriksen has not had any serious injuries and in my view we have no real cover for him and he is also largely the only real creative player we have.

For me the only rational explanation for our total lack of activity in the TW is that we are under serious financial constraints - that is the stadium costs are going through the roof. Stories of poor contracting, ever changing requirements and contract management issues in relation to the stadium project have even found their way down to NZ. If it's not the stadium then hey we were just inept in identifying genuine gettable targets and executing.

Your second paragraph is very true but not strictly limited to just poor contracting. Other parties massively fcuked us.
 

teok

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I think most people that were telling others to hold off on the criticism of levy until 5pm last night didn't really think he would mess up this badly.

After having slept on it, it still feels like we have had a defining moment of the season already and we haven't even kicked a ball. Every one can rally round and try and put a collective brave face on things but the evidence is all there.

Backing poch seemed like a complete no brainer at the end of last season and even then nothing was guaranteed about him staying.
 

Ekmek

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Who then? Dembele may not be able to play a whole season but who's to say Winks won't step up again this year or that Skipp can't knock down doors like he has ripping up the u23's when he's still only 17 years of age? The only one I know genuinely excited me was Grealish for a CM/AM type of role but if you know of others that were within our wage bracket and transfer fee restrictions, as well as helped solve our nonHG issues I'll check them out and keep my eye on them

We finished 23 points behind City and theres people saying that we do not need to improve. We really needed to do that, if you think not you are just trying to ignore the fact that we fucked up.

Its not my job finding those players but it is someones at the club. You mean that there is no cm in any top league in Europe that cant improve us? Look outside of pl and we pay a lot higher wages then other clubs.

Skipp is 17 years old and to rely on him stepping up is quite naive.
I am sure we could have got someone and sold or loaned out some international players after pl window shut, for example Janssen and GKN we just need to bite the bullet, taking a bit of financial loss on them. If Toby stays we should loan out CCV.
 

Yid-ol

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34 pages.... Must be about our new signings!!!..... Nope :cautious:

Disappointed we couldn't add any players, could have done with a few.
 

ohtottenham!

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Name me 5 better centre midfielders over the last 12 months that have been better than Mousa that were within a realistic budget, that wanted the wages that sit within what we offer a first time signer that fits Pochettinos culture and belief system which we all know is a very big deal to him as he tries to shape his style on the team.

The pool of quality is so small when trying identify this as well as trying to balance costs with a £1bn stadium investment, it really wouldn't surprise me if it was Grealish, Kovacic or nothing you know and even Kovacic was probably too far out of reach money wise if he'd become available.

I'm sure Pochettino wanted signings but I'm sure he means what he says when he talks about not spending money is better players aren't out there available to buy. I think we chose to keep Dembele rather than risk it for someone he wasn't too certain on at a pretty high cost. The last thing we'd want is another Sissoko on our hands and whilst it's an area of weakness, we've got more than enough depth in there should we need to move a couple of things around
You're using a hell of a lot of filters in your first para for qualifications for a prospective CM. We don't move the ball quickly enough in central midfield. That's been a key issue in CM for us; a weakness in our game. It's a squad game and we're lacking in versatilty and drive in that area.

Each of Kovacic, Fekir, Lobotka, Brozovic,Ndombele would give us some qualities we don't have in that area. I wasn't even talking about replacing Dembele specifically, but there are plenty of reasons why we need to invest in the CM area.
 
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blackburn

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I think people are over complicating the situation. Its quite plausible that Levy and Poch identified targets that would improve the starting X1, whoever that may be. Once it became clear that those players weren't available, for any number of reasons, it was decided to stick with what we have rather than buy more Sissoko, N'koudo, Llorente, Jansen types.

I'm far more interested in what players play in what formation this season than having a pop at a bloke who has absolutely transformed our club. One or two of the youngsters on here have no idea of the dark days we've been through, September 15th is a massive day for me, I've got Daniel Levy to thank for that.
 

Hakkz

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I think people are over complicating the situation. Its quite plausible that Levy and Poch identified targets that would improve the starting X1, whoever that may be. Once it became clear that those players weren't available, for any number of reasons, it was decided to stick with what we have rather than buy more Sissoko, N'koudo, Llorente, Jansen types.

I'm far more interested in what players play in what formation this season than having a pop at a bloke who has absolutely transformed our club. One or two of the youngsters on here have no idea of the dark days we've been through, September 15th is a massive day for me, I've got Daniel Levy to thank for that.

I don't buy that we couldn't manage to get a single one off Poch's list.
 

spursfan77

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From this saga, u know that no one wants to deal with Levy..... that’s why no one comes for our players and no one wants to sell to us. He is a liability for our transfer.

On your basis, good. It means nobody will want to buy our best players or nick our manager then.
 
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