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yankspurs

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Really? He practically turned down Madrid in the summer, why would he now accept the shitshow that is United? Not to mention it would cost Woodward an absolute fuck-tonne to pay Mourinho off for the rest of his contract, and you just know Levy has inserted some mega buy-out clause into Poch's. I don't see it happening personally.
That was before levy played him like a fiddle
 

Spurslove

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Really? He practically turned down Madrid in the summer, why would he now accept the shitshow that is United? Not to mention it would cost Woodward an absolute fuck-tonne to pay Mourinho off for the rest of his contract, and you just know Levy has inserted some mega buy-out clause into Poch's. I don't see it happening personally.

I hope you're right about Woodward sacking Maureen and buying Poch being too expensive, but in pure financial terms, we're talking about a club who spent £90 million on Lukaku...!

I'm not saying for one minute that Poch would jump ship, perish the very thought, but all I'm saying is United wouldn't be put off approaching him purely for financial reasons. But of course there are other issues involved here.

First, Poch has only just signed a five year deal with THFC after having spent the last four years here, building and developing a fantastic squad of players who believe in him and who love playing for him. This project is still very much a work in progress.

Second, Poch is (or at least seems to be) a man with great integrity and his demand for loyalty from his players says a lot to me about his own loyalty towards the club, it's history and us, the fans.

And third, there's Daniel Levy. He often gets a hard time from us the fans for all sorts of reasons, the latest being having a communications breakdown with the fans over the new stadium, and that's a fair shout...but if anyone genuinely believes that he would allow Poch to go to United under any circumstances, I'd say you need to have a word with yourself.

If we are speculating about United possibly coming in for him after sacking Maureen (which they will eventually) and discussing all manner of scenarios surrounding that event, you can rest assured that Levy will see this coming from a mile away and will be more than ready when United make contact with him.

Levy may be many things, but he's nobody's idiot. He knows probably better than anyone how important Poch is to the club, to the players and to the fans. He knows only too well the fantastic job Poch is doing here and the project he's working on is nowhere near completion. Levy will be well aware that everything which has been built up over the past four years under Poch would be in serious jeapardy if he were to leave and go to United, or anyone else, and the consequences of that happening would be devastating to everyone involved with THFC and that includes us.

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jurgen

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That was before levy played him like a fiddle

Maybe Poch actually loves being treated mean by Levy and it's the secret underbelly of a man who on the surface looks and acts like an absolute gentleman.

Probably shouldn't have chosen Sissoko as his safe word though.
 

Hans Gruber

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I hope you're right about Woodward sacking Maureen and buying Poch being too expensive, but in pure financial terms, we're talking about a club who spent £90 million on Lukaku...!

I'm not saying for one minute that Poch would jump ship, perish the very thought, but all I'm saying is United wouldn't be put off approaching him purely for financial reasons. But of course there are other issues involved here.

Hmm I disagree. Big difference between buying players - who are assets - and buying managers who generally have no resale value. It's why the transfer fees for managers are so much lower, even though their importance to the teams performance is much greater than any one player.

Look at Martial - the press initially ridiculed his transfer fee, he then has 1 decent season (out of 3) and his value is now somehow inflated by £20m. Lukaku wouldnt go for less than £100m, nor would Pogba.

My point is that United may have thrown money around on players but in general thats less of a financial risk as you tend to be able to recoup the money. Managers are a sunk cost. Poch would probably cost them upwards of £60m (in buying out Mou's contract and paying off Levy) and no club in history has ever come close to paying that for a manager. There are things to worry about as a Spurs fan but Poch to United is not one of them.
 

Gb160

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The same people who passed on Alli and Eriksen has signed their contracts?

It’s not all accurate is it.
Mental that people are dismissing JJ, who hasn't held back about Levy before.... and choosing to believe whatever fits their own personal feeling.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Mental that people are dismissing JJ, who hasn't held back about Levy before.... and choosing to believe whatever fits their own personal feeling.

What has JJ said about this then? Haven't kept up to date with things his end for a while
 

Gb160

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What has JJ said about this then? Haven't kept up to date with things his end for a while
Just that Poch is happy, although its being conveniently dismissed by many on here, who choose to believe the exact opposite...ie Poch must have the hump with Levy, because they have.
 
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spursfan77

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Just that Poch is happy, although its being conveniently dismissed by many on here, who choose to believe the exact opposite...ie Poch must have the hump with Levy, because they have.

They must also not have read Poch's book.
 

Spurslove

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Hmm I disagree. Big difference between buying players - who are assets - and buying managers who generally have no resale value. It's why the transfer fees for managers are so much lower, even though their importance to the teams performance is much greater than any one player.

Look at Martial - the press initially ridiculed his transfer fee, he then has 1 decent season (out of 3) and his value is now somehow inflated by £20m. Lukaku wouldnt go for less than £100m, nor would Pogba.

My point is that United may have thrown money around on players but in general thats less of a financial risk as you tend to be able to recoup the money. Managers are a sunk cost. Poch would probably cost them upwards of £60m (in buying out Mou's contract and paying off Levy) and no club in history has ever come close to paying that for a manager. There are things to worry about as a Spurs fan but Poch to United is not one of them.


Could be a fair shout.

Ultimately, perhaps there's one thing we agree on regardless of whatever happens, is that Poch is not going to United, not just because of the prohibitive finances which would be involved, but also because he's happier here than he's ever been anywhere else and has absolutely no reason to go anywhere.

If that were not the case, he wouldn't have committed the next five years of his working life to THFC having spent four years here already.

I know I'm biased, and maybe I'm seeing things through Navy and white specs, but I don't see the managers job at Man United as a step up the manageral ladder anyway. Ten years ago maybe, but no longer.

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ToDarrenIsToDo

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Could be a fair shout.

Ultimately, perhaps there's one thing we agree on regardless of whatever happens, is that Poch is not going to United, not just because of the prohibitive finances which would be involved, but also because he's happier here than he's ever been anywhere else and has absolutely no reason to go anywhere.

If that were not the case, he wouldn't have committed the next five years of his working life to THFC having spent four years here already.

I know I'm biased, and maybe I'm seeing things through Navy and white specs, but I don't see the managers job at Man United as a step up the manageral ladder anyway. Ten years ago maybe, but no longer.

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@Hans Gruber is right. The fees paid out on players comes with far less risk based on sell on value. That's why you're getting so many younger players going for high fees now, whereas players like Toby couldn't get the fee that was being demanded. Players are becoming a huge source of income now with the inflation doing what it's doing and with that the risk of signing a flop comes with a higher chance.

I can see a lot of teams targeting players with 2 years or less on their contracts now, knowing that the selling club need to sell to get top whack or risk losing him for a smaller fee or nothing the summers following
 

Hans Gruber

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Could be a fair shout.

Ultimately, perhaps there's one thing we agree on regardless of whatever happens, is that Poch is not going to United, not just because of the prohibitive finances which would be involved, but also because he's happier here than he's ever been anywhere else and has absolutely no reason to go anywhere.

If that were not the case, he wouldn't have committed the next five years of his working life to THFC having spent four years here already.

I know I'm biased, and maybe I'm seeing things through Navy and white specs, but I don't see the managers job at Man United as a step up the manageral ladder anyway. Ten years ago maybe, but no longer.

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I'd agree with pretty much all of that. The only places I realistically see him going are Real or PSG. Anything else is either a sideways move or is financially prohibitive.
 

spursfan77

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@Hans Gruber is right. The fees paid out on players comes with far less risk based on sell on value. That's why you're getting so many younger players going for high fees now, whereas players like Toby couldn't get the fee that was being demanded. Players are becoming a huge source of income now with the inflation doing what it's doing and with that the risk of signing a flop comes with a higher chance.

I can see a lot of teams targeting players with 2 years or less on their contracts now, knowing that the selling club need to sell to get top whack or risk losing him for a smaller fee or nothing the summers following

Basically what we’ve been doing for the last 6/7 years then!
 

DogsOfWar

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I have no doubt Poch fancied De Ligt and Sessegnon with Toby and Rose out the door.
However, the £100 million price tag for the pair with nobody interested in our two meant it never happened.
United wouldn't sell us Martial and the Zaha fee was ridiculous so that was never going to happen. And by the time we bid for the bargain player Grealish he was no longer a bargain.

Those 4 in for £210 million whilst Rose, Toby, Dembele went the other way would have seen us weaker as a squad with a huge financial deficit.
Poch, let alone Levy, would never have sanctioned this business. And I don't believe anyone on here would have either. Keeping our team together was a much better strategy.
 

thelak

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Poch is the glue that keeps this current squad together when they could individually make better money and probably have more chance of winning trophies elsewhere - he is an ambitious optimist that dreams about glory in the right way and at present has the squad also buyIng into that and had produced a fantastic squad without essentially any net spend for years

If Levy ever wants to cash out at his £2bn valuation with the current low levels of player investment then he needs Poch around ad there will be a exodus if he goes and the next guy is unlikely to be able to do anything like what Poch has done especially if starting with a fractured squad

Finely poised times
 

Spurslove

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Poch is the glue that keeps this current squad together when they could individually make better money and probably have more chance of winning trophies elsewhere - he is an ambitious optimist that dreams about glory in the right way and at present has the squad also buyIng into that and had produced a fantastic squad without essentially any net spend for years

If Levy ever wants to cash out at his £2bn valuation with the current low levels of player investment then he needs Poch around ad there will be a exodus if he goes and the next guy is unlikely to be able to do anything like what Poch has done especially if starting with a fractured squad

Finely poised times

I think we all know nobody is going anywhere. Levy's not going to sell up and Poch is absolutely happy having kept the excellent squad of players together when other clubs have been panic buying this summer.

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double0

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Pochettinho potentially leaving us to manage (a sacked Mourinho) United on the eve of us playing them.

The perfect bullshit.
 

SpartanSpur

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Personally think we could do with Mourinho leaving sooner rather than later. I don't think Poch would push to leave mid-season, and Zidane seems to want the Utd job. I think that would prove too tempting.

Utd would really worry me, that and Madrid seem the big two concerns, but I think the combination of the crazy compensation required and Poch's integrity would mean we would be ok if Mourinho was sacked before Xmas. Now if they got a caretaker in until the summer that could be different, but I don't think they would.
 
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RichieS

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Personally think we could do with Mourinho leaving sooner rather than later. I don't think Poch would push to leave mid-season, and Zidane seems to want the Utd job. I think that would prove too tempting

Utd would really worry me, that and Madrid seem the big two concerns, but I think the combination of the crazy compensation required and Poch's integrity would mean we would be ok if Mourinho was sacked before Xmas. Now if they got a caretaker in until the summer that could be different, but I don't think they would.
I can't see Real ever buying into Poch's way of doing things.
 

Lilbaz

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Personally think we could do with Mourinho leaving sooner rather than later. I don't think Poch would push to leave mid-season, and Zidane seems to want the Utd job. I think that would prove too tempting.

Utd would really worry me, that and Madrid seem the big two concerns, but I think the combination of the crazy compensation required and Poch's integrity would mean we would be ok if Mourinho was sacked before Xmas. Now if they got a caretaker in until the summer that could be different, but I don't think they would.

Utd would go for zidane over poch. Zidane would have a better effect on their share price and will calm investors who know little about football.
 
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