Player Watch: Kieran Trippier

Paolo10 said:

Why is so much individual blame being laid at his door? Everyone knows his strengths and weaknesses...if he is attacking, someone has to be covering that side if Poch is any sort of coach!

Criticised when signed, criticised when Walker wanted to leave, criticised for not being as quick as Olympic sprinters...all by the same fucking people.

And then some of you top it all off by wanting to play Serge?! Lol.

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I'm starting to get suspicious

Seriously, you guys are fucking pathetic supporters...Poch is literally talking about a midfielder (Sissoko) covering Tripps when he pushes up (which I did mention).

The first goal he was culpable for with the nutmeg, but the 2nd is far more down to Winks...either way, you'd think Tripps brought both players down in the box. (Foyth is seemingly immune to criticism from some as he's young and had a good game midweek in the fucking Carabao Cup.)

Lol@calling Trippier a liability and then hinting Aurier should play btw.

As for this 'moaning' against City, I've a feeling Trippier was trying to head the ball back to Hugo first...I think he was maybe expecting him to have come for it (the header wasn't great tbf). I'd expect Hugo to be out further to start when you know Ederson can almost hit our penalty area from his 6 yard box...either way, seems all of the blame is being apportioned against City anyway.

(I am in the Kieran Trippier thread talking about Trippier...this is not Spam)

Paolo10 said:

(I am in the Kieran Trippier thread talking about Trippier...this is not Spam)

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Repeating the same bullshit over and over is spam.

No it's not. If (quite a a lot of) you could debate the point sensibly without just resorting to negative repping, it would be nice.

Any of you want a bet on who plays more at RB/RWB this season? Let's see who Poch thinks is a better player/less of a liability.

Trippier is our top Fantasy Premier League player, ahead of Kane, Moura. He's even in the dream team so far. I know stats don't tell a whole story but he is one if not our most creative player. Just needs to cut out the mistakes and learn.

I think the more you see of Aurier you'll realise he will be just as error prone if not more. I was always nervous when him and Sanchez were at the back last season, and with Sissoko playing too I'm not sure I can take it especially with Lloris also being calamitous. Aurier is good for pacy teams so is useful but it's a case of right person for right game.

With 11 games in 5 weeks after international break they'll be equally rotated anyhow.

Paolo10 said:

(I am in the Kieran Trippier thread talking about Trippier...this is not Spam)

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I didnt spam your post so agree people shouldnt be spamming yours but you spammed mine in the KWP thread even though my post was about him looking like the dude from Bad Santa (nothing wrong about that) - spamming spammer

Dude he is a finger pointer who can do no defending, id tolerate finger pointing if he can defend as part of his core responsibility which he is unable to do. As an attacking threat he has his qualities for sure which we all appreciate but defensively he is fucking shit.

I only ever give spam back if I get them, far more likely to use disagree or dislike. Took that back (which it's possible you may have done too).

Paolo10 said:

No it's not. If (quite a a lot of) you could debate the point sensibly.

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Fat chance. If you don't agree on here you're ridiculed and set upon by a Lynch mob until you tow the line or shut up. You might get the odd poster try and engage with a dissenter sensibly but not for long, you'll just end up shouted down. It's why the Brexit thread is now just a collection of posts reporting what has been said, there's no debate, no contrary opinion really, just a collection of posters mutually back slapping each other and wallowing in how shrewd and clever they think they are. Anyone with a different onion takes a look and quite rightly, steers clear.

Personally I don't think Trippier is anywhere near as bad as some people like to make out. At times he's been poor, that's for sure but he's a decent player and it wasn't that long ago people were cumming in their pants about him.

Pochettino says......."Kieran needs to improve in the defensive situation because in the last few games you have seen that we conceded a few actions. But like him, all the players need to improve in the defensive situation"

He's criticising Tripper (and others) by saying they need to improve. Nowhere, absolutely nowhere does he agree with the hugely insightful and thoughtful assessments we're seeing on here saying he's "shit".

He's good enough but he needs to do better. There's sensible and balanced criticism and then there's this stuff, it's lazy, hugely insulting and inaccurate, adds nothing and makes the person saying it look like they just don't know what they are talking about. We do not have 'shit' players. We have players of varying ability playing at various levels of form and that's what's debatable, they are not 'shit'.

I had to check the quote marks...I don't remember Poch ever pointing out specific player shortcomings in public .

Even the Guardian '10 things we learnt from the Prem W/E' mentions Trippier's shortcomings ! There's no chance Trips
will be oblivious to this , so that's a step in the process of improving the probs .

What has added fire to the complaints on this occasion is his apparent preference for raging at Winks rather than doing his job ....and then the attempted nutmeg . I'm sure he'll have learnt something from this whole process and we already have a better Trips on our books .

Archibald&Crooks said:

Fat chance. If you don't agree on here you're ridiculed and set upon by a Lynch mob until you tow the line or shut up. You might get the odd poster try and engage with a dissenter sensibly but not for long, you'll just end up shouted down. It's why the Brexit thread is now just a collection of posts reporting what has been said, there's no debate, no contrary opinion really, just a collection of posters mutually back slapping each other and wallowing in how shrewd and clever they think they are. Anyone with a different onion takes a look and quite rightly, steers clear.

Personally I don't think Trippier is anywhere near as bad as some people like to make out. At times he's been poor, that's for sure but he's a decent player and it wasn't that long ago people were cumming in their pants about him.

Pochettino says......."Kieran needs to improve in the defensive situation because in the last few games you have seen that we conceded a few actions. But like him, all the players need to improve in the defensive situation"

He's criticising Tripper (and others) by saying they need to improve. Nowhere, absolutely nowhere does he agree with the hugely insightful and thoughtful assessments we're seeing on here saying he's "shit".

He's good enough but he needs to do better. There's sensible and balanced criticism and then there's this stuff, it's lazy, hugely insulting and inaccurate, adds nothing and makes the person saying it look like they just don't know what they are talking about. We do not have 'shit' players. We have players of varying ability playing at various levels of form and that's what's debatable, they are not 'shit'.

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Thats just the internet in a nutshell though, on here there seems to be a massive need by some to have a whipping boy, Sissoko has worn that cap for quite a while now but now he's obviously playing a lot better than some of our players, its some other fuckers turn to get it in the neck.
Posting 'x player isn't in the best run of form atm', or 'y player needs to improve', doesn't quite gather the attention as 'get this xy fucker out of my club now'.

As you say, none of these players are shit, at times last season and for England in the summer he was superb...people just take things to the extreme for the sake of attention, it's just Jenas syndrome.
And unless there's a real attitude problem its pointless demanding for him to be dropped...we've all seen Poch's approach of allowing players to play their way back into form, countless times.

Paolo10 said:

No it's not. If (quite a a lot of) you could debate the point sensibly without just resorting to negative repping, it would be nice.

Any of you want a bet on who plays more at RB/RWB this season? Let's see who Poch thinks is a better player/less of a liability.

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lol my rebuttal was entirely fair and sensible but you resorted to disagreeing without debating but ok then... Might help if you heed your own advice in this debate, people might then take you seriously.

Also your analysis on they 2nd goal is utter bullshit to say it was more Winks' fault, This is the whole point people are trying to make about the goal - player's miss place passes all the time it happens but as per usual what's being scrutinised is what actions we tried to take to prevent the goal. Trippier was moaning at him for a bad pass but if he actually got back and at least tried to cover the untold amount of space behind him instead of remonstrating then you'll find that people wouldnt be so quick to point the finger.

Why is that so difficult to understand?

This is what I'm talking about your defense of a player who is continually making errors is just embarrassing, our own fucking manager has called him out and there you are trotting out pointless stats and making every laughable excuse under the sun for him which cheapen your argument and make you look desperate.

And all this because you will never admit that Serge (a player that you absolutely refuse to like or acknowledge) is the better choice at RB right now - the irony of you calling people pathetic supporters by the way when you detest one of our own players no matter what and will go at lenghts to try and discredit him.

My two pennies worth on Trippier:

Generally - he's a good attacking fullback, good range of passing and decent vision, against the right teams he can be extremely effective. His defensive consistency is poor though (i think it always has been when tested against difficult opposition). I don't think he's completely lacking in ability as a defender i just think he's not great under pressure and is prone to switching off a little (not dissimilar to Walker).

At present - The City mistake was a silly one in my view - the sort that a PL defender should not be making and it cost us the game. The same with the Wolves nutmeg - wrong place, wrong choice and it turned the game against us. Now hypothetically, if we'd got a point against City (no mistake in the game) would KT be a bit more confident and not have ballsed up against Wolves, perhaps he'd have been more confident and had a great game? But costly mistake made in the previous game, nervy under pressure the next game and bang - you're the new Jenas! Congrats.

I think the frustration spilling out isn't just caused by KT's poor couple of decisions, it's the lack of viable options and the fact neither set of fullbacks (OK Rose is injured but before that) is really performing like they should. Our style of play is hampered and we're stuttering through games a bit.

Normally i'd say to support the fullbacks, we go 3 CBs at the back - but we're lacking options in that regard at the moment. OK then, plan B - we deploy a DM to slot between the CBs when out of possession - again our options are limited in CM/DM at the moment. Lastly, we switch up the fullbacks - and there's our other problem. We have no replacement LB and to cover Ben Davies, we'd need to play KWP out of position and bring in Aurier - all of a sudden we have a very untried back line, especially with Foyth in the mix at present.

IMO - Aurier (as inconsistent as he can be) or KWP deserve a look in at right back. I very much doubt Poch will compound the Trippier mistakes by doing this immediately but we do need to get the others game time and a chance to stake a claim for the starting space. Injuries are making it tough to experiment but we also seem very slow to experiment at the best of times. Either way we need to use our options in positions where we have the luxury to do so - i.e RB.

Paolo10 said:

No it's not. If (quite a a lot of) you could debate the point sensibly without just resorting to negative repping, it would be nice.

Any of you want a bet on who plays more at RB/RWB this season? Let's see who Poch thinks is a better player/less of a liability.

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Sensibly?

You're the one bringing people's nationalities into it and how long they've been a supporter.

That's hardly sensible debating.

Paolo10 said:

Seriously, you guys are fucking pathetic supporters...Poch is literally talking about a midfielder (Sissoko) covering Tripps when he pushes up (which I did mention).

The first goal he was culpable for with the nutmeg, but the 2nd is far more down to Winks...either way, you'd think Tripps brought both players down in the box. (Foyth is seemingly immune to criticism from some as he's young and had a good game midweek in the fucking Carabao Cup.)

Lol@calling Trippier a liability and then hinting Aurier should play btw.

As for this 'moaning' against City, I've a feeling Trippier was trying to head the ball back to Hugo first...I think he was maybe expecting him to have come for it (the header wasn't great tbf). I'd expect Hugo to be out further to start when you know Ederson can almost hit our penalty area from his 6 yard box...either way, seems all of the blame is being apportioned against City anyway.

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Disliked this for the pathetic supporters comment, not the opinion.

Archibald&Crooks said:

Fat chance. If you don't agree on here you're ridiculed and set upon by a Lynch mob until you tow the line or shut up. You might get the odd poster try and engage with a dissenter sensibly but not for long, you'll just end up shouted down. It's why the Brexit thread is now just a collection of posts reporting what has been said, there's no debate, no contrary opinion really, just a collection of posters mutually back slapping each other and wallowing in how shrewd and clever they think they are. Anyone with a different onion takes a look and quite rightly, steers clear.

Personally I don't think Trippier is anywhere near as bad as some people like to make out. At times he's been poor, that's for sure but he's a decent player and it wasn't that long ago people were cumming in their pants about him.

Pochettino says......."Kieran needs to improve in the defensive situation because in the last few games you have seen that we conceded a few actions. But like him, all the players need to improve in the defensive situation"

He's criticising Tripper (and others) by saying they need to improve. Nowhere, absolutely nowhere does he agree with the hugely insightful and thoughtful assessments we're seeing on here saying he's "shit".

He's good enough but he needs to do better. There's sensible and balanced criticism and then there's this stuff, it's lazy, hugely insulting and inaccurate, adds nothing and makes the person saying it look like they just don't know what they are talking about. We do not have 'shit' players. We have players of varying ability playing at various levels of form and that's what's debatable, they are not 'shit'.

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But he's not debating the point sensibly.

He's making comments on how long people have been supporters or they don't know what they're talking about because they're American (yankspurs).

Gb160 said:

Thats just the internet in a nutshell though, on here there seems to be a massive need by some to have a whipping boy, Sissoko has worn that cap for quite a while now but now he's obviously playing a lot better than some of our players, its some other fuckers turn to get it in the neck.
Posting 'x player isn't in the best run of form atm', or 'y player needs to improve', doesn't quite gather the attention as 'get this xy fucker out of my club now'.

As you say, none of these players are shit, at times last season and for England in the summer he was superb...people just take things to the extreme for the sake of attention, it's just Jenas syndrome.
And unless there's a real attitude problem its pointless demanding for him to be dropped...we've all seen Poch's approach of allowing players to play their way back into form, countless times.

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You’ve hit the nail on the head. Spurs fans always need a scapegoat.

I shared an (honest) opinion about why I don't hold some posters' opinions in very high regard, sorry if my candour offended...

I just can't understand why Trippier is getting so much critique (and always has from some quarters) and so little support considering what he has achieved since he broke into the side. It's kind of the reason why I'm such a vocal supporter of his.

I'd welcome anyone to check the post histories of any of his most ardent critics and see how long they've been talking up the other full backs or ranting in match threads ad nauseum...it's pathetic for 'supporters' from my perspective.

I've been a vocal critic of Serge, I've also praised him for (the rare IMO) good things and hope he can improve...although I have serious doubts about that.

If Serge gets in, I'll trust the manager's judgement...I doubt he or KWP have any chance of ousting Trippier from 1st choice, despite all the tonnes of shit being thrown in this thread.

I understand the stick he's been getting since last game, but imo he has always played like this. Nothing's changed.
He's a slow attacking full back that can only defend if we are sitting back. With open spaces he's a complete liability.
Last season that was compensated by Sanchez, who's as fast as Walker. But when we play Toby as RCB (or Foyth), Trippier's lack of pace and defense is completely exposed

Paolo10 said:

I shared an (honest) opinion about why I don't hold some posters' opinions in very high regard, sorry if my candour offended...

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Which basically takes any credibility away from you sensibly debating the subject of Trippier, as you made things personal and cannot respect other posters opinions because of your preconceived perception of them due to their nationality or length of time supporting.

I’m then surprised an admin has quoted one your posts as an example of debating Trippier sensibly?

If the thread had just stayed regarding Trippier and his footballing ability fine, but the stuff I’ve referenced is not sensibly debating and smacks of snobby superiority.

When I debate whether a player is good or not good (I’m my opinion) I try not to make things personal as that’s just wrong, at least for me.