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SugarRay

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Jul 6, 2011
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Is the journalist calling saunders a bit of a prick for telling a story of clough being drunk by also telling the same story?

The story isn’t true. Makes Saunders an even bigger prick than if he was simply telling a private story about a dead man.
 

HobbitSpur

The Voice of Reason
Jun 28, 2013
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I have no problem with what Gary Neville is saying. He is on the money. Perhaps his wording is a bit strong for us Spurs fans but we cannot argue against them. I think Harry just took it all personally.

Carragher on the other hand is just an absolute Moron. Everything he says is just deluded. He us arguing that at least Liverpool are trying to win the league and our spending proves that we are not. I would hate to be a Liverpool fan knowing that they are putting everything into wining the league without to date success.

Whereas the pointless cheapskate Tottenham with their useless chairman are constantly finishing above them without even trying to.

He has just completely torpedoed his own argument. What a 24kt Prick.
 

Paolo10

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Apr 6, 2004
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Jenas is a class act. Wish our fans would have loved him more, he just wasn't gerrard.

Wasn't Gerrard? No doubt, because Gerrard did it every week, almost single-handed.

JJ showed how good he could be every 6-8 games, which was kind of the problem. Ability hanging out of him, but never fulfilled his potential IMO.
 

HailKingLevy

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Jul 23, 2010
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Wasn't Gerrard? No doubt, because Gerrard did it every week, almost single-handed.

JJ showed how good he could be every 6-8 games, which was kind of the problem. Ability hanging out of him, but never fulfilled his potential IMO.
Here we have come full circle, Yes Jenas had the ability, but the club had no backbone and it was ok to perform every 6-8 games.
 

SpursDave88

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Aug 31, 2012
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I have no problem with what Gary Neville is saying. He is on the money. Perhaps his wording is a bit strong for us Spurs fans but we cannot argue against them. I think Harry just took it all personally.

Carragher on the other hand is just an absolute Moron. Everything he says is just deluded. He us arguing that at least Liverpool are trying to win the league and our spending proves that we are not. I would hate to be a Liverpool fan knowing that they are putting everything into wining the league without to date success.

Whereas the pointless cheapskate Tottenham with their useless chairman are constantly finishing above them without even trying to.

He has just completely torpedoed his own argument. What a 24kt Prick.

And neither have won anything...Liverpool are trying to improve and Spurs are not.

We've been great so far but we are still below Liverpool...
 

Paolo10

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Apr 6, 2004
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Still below a side we've pretty much consistently finished ahead of for quite a long time?

No doubt they're strengthening, but they've thrown a shitload of money at it...more than ENIC ever would tbh.
 

vegassd

The ghost of Johnny Cash
Aug 5, 2006
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And neither have won anything...Liverpool are trying to improve and Spurs are not.

What makes you think that Spurs are not trying to improve?

You sound like you equate ambition to spending. In the past 10 years Spurs have spent more than any other English club on infrastructure improvements. Does that not count?
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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And neither have won anything...Liverpool are trying to improve and Spurs are not.

We've been great so far but we are still below Liverpool...

What do you mean not trying to improve, what do you think that massive piece of infrastructure we are building is for plus tying down Kane and Alli to long term contracts? You don't only improve by buying players you know.

And for all their spending in the summer, Liverpool are a massive 3 points ahead of us, not certain to go through their group in the CL and already out of a cup comp whilst we're still in it..

So I don't get why there's this narrative as if we don't want to get better, obviously we do but it seems that we are financially hamstrung by the stadium, I'd expect any Spurs fan to at least understand that.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Jul 28, 2004
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And neither have won anything...Liverpool are trying to improve and Spurs are not.

We've been great so far but we are still below Liverpool...
Amazing how without trying to improve we are somehow far closer to the top than at this stage last season with a quite significant points increase on equivalent games played considering we are 1/3 through the season.
 

HobbitSpur

The Voice of Reason
Jun 28, 2013
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And neither have won anything...Liverpool are trying to improve and Spurs are not.

We've been great so far but we are still below Liverpool...

So playing devils advocate a little, are you suggesting that spending 100m+ in the summer would have guaranteed us being in a far better position than we currently are?

The season is not even half way through yet. We are currently 3rd in the league, 3 points behind Liverpool, and have not even started playing to our best.

Liverpool are 3 points ahead of us, most are was lyrical about the way they are brushing sides away, their chances this year and how they are going to push city to the end.

I am not attacking your opinion, that is your opinion. But why does everything have to do with spending money, and why are we punching above our weight because we have not spent gazillions. We are competing because we have spent wisely.

Give an 8 year old the family food budget and he could easily full the cupboards. Does not mean that you would be healthy at the end of the year.
 

buttons

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Feb 24, 2005
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In the last three years under Poch (before this season) we've had 24 points after 13 games, so we are 6 up on each of the last three seasons at this point this year. We have also taken at least 3 more games to reach 30 points in each of the last three seasons, so the gap (between this season and previous seasons) should only widen if we maintain our form over the next few games.

Performances might not have been spot on but our ability to grind out results and gather points has certainly improved.
 

dagraham

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Sep 20, 2005
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In the last three years under Poch (before this season) we've had 24 points after 13 games, so we are 6 up on each of the last three seasons at this point this year. We have also taken at least 3 more games to reach 30 points in each of the last three seasons, so the gap (between this season and previous seasons) should only widen if we maintain our form over the next few games.

Performances might not have been spot on but our ability to grind out results and gather points has certainly improved.

Clearly. The key has been turning a lot of those scrappy and frustrating draws of seasons past into 3 points.
 

Japhet

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Aug 30, 2010
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What do you mean not trying to improve, what do you think that massive piece of infrastructure we are building is for plus tying down Kane and Alli to long term contracts? You don't only improve by buying players you know.

And for all their spending in the summer, Liverpool are a massive 3 points ahead of us, not certain to go through their group in the CL and already out of a cup comp whilst we're still in it..

So I don't get why there's this narrative as if we don't want to get better, obviously we do but it seems that we are financially hamstrung by the stadium, I'd expect any Spurs fan to at least understand that.


Good luck with that. People still think we'll be buying 50m players regardless of the gargantuan amount of money we have to find to finish the stadium - on top of an already colossal bill.
 

Lighty64

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Aug 24, 2010
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What do you mean not trying to improve, what do you think that massive piece of infrastructure we are building is for plus tying down Kane and Alli to long term contracts? You don't only improve by buying players you know.

And for all their spending in the summer, Liverpool are a massive 3 points ahead of us, not certain to go through their group in the CL and already out of a cup comp whilst we're still in it..

So I don't get why there's this narrative as if we don't want to get better, obviously we do but it seems that we are financially hamstrung by the stadium, I'd expect any Spurs fan to at least understand that.

you would expect that but there are a few on the forum that won't accept it. all they see is the figure we took last season, and the price of ST prices for our superb stadium. oh wait a minute we don't have a stadium, we don't have a namings right in place yet, and are refunding and paying out massive amounts to play a home fixture, but those ENIC haters can't even understand that, and will refuse to because they will always try and find a fault.
 

Wearegoingtowintheleague

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Still below a side we've pretty much consistently finished ahead of for quite a long time?

No doubt they're strengthening, but they've thrown a shitload of money at it...more than ENIC ever would tbh.

You are right, if we go by league finishes and points in the last ten years: (not including this season)

We've finished above Pool 8/10 times
Liverpool's average league placing over the 10 seasons is 5.4 whereas our average finish is 4.5 (Pool have been in the top 4: 4 times, we have 5 times)
Liverpool have amassed a total of 677 points whereas we have 690 points.
 

SpursDave88

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Aug 31, 2012
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So playing devils advocate a little, are you suggesting that spending 100m+ in the summer would have guaranteed us being in a far better position than we currently are?

The season is not even half way through yet. We are currently 3rd in the league, 3 points behind Liverpool, and have not even started playing to our best.

Liverpool are 3 points ahead of us, most are was lyrical about the way they are brushing sides away, their chances this year and how they are going to push city to the end.

I am not attacking your opinion, that is your opinion. But why does everything have to do with spending money, and why are we punching above our weight because we have not spent gazillions. We are competing because we have spent wisely.

Give an 8 year old the family food budget and he could easily full the cupboards. Does not mean that you would be healthy at the end of the year.

I don't think anything you have said refutes what I'm saying.

It's clear - spending money doesn't guarantee success, teams can spend money badly and we have done very well to be where we are given our budget.

Teams that are serious about winning things go out and get the players they think will improve them in positions where they are weak.

We do not do that - we either sign no one or we sign players that are available who we think are good value.

When City needed new fullbacks and GK - they signed Walker, Mendy, Danilo and Ederson.

Whe Liverpool needed a CB and GK they signed Van Dijk and Allison.

When we needed a CB and striker we signed Saha and Nelsen back in the day and this summer when we needed a CM to replace Dembele/Wanyama and a CF to replace Llorente we signed nobody.

Now I understand the stadium etc restricts us and sets out ambition - but you can't sit here and deny that the former two clearly seek to improve with the aim of winning things where as we mend, make-do and hope. Now I'm not moaning about that - I hope more than anything that it works out I'm just making the point that Liverpool and City are actively seeking to win things whereas we are not...the fact that Liverpool finished below us in the last few years doesn't change that.
 

Japhet

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Aug 30, 2010
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I don't think anything you have said refutes what I'm saying.

It's clear - spending money doesn't guarantee success, teams can spend money badly and we have done very well to be where we are given our budget.

Teams that are serious about winning things go out and get the players they think will improve them in positions where they are weak.

We do not do that - we either sign no one or we sign players that are available who we think are good value.

When City needed new fullbacks and GK - they signed Walker, Mendy, Danilo and Ederson.

Whe Liverpool needed a CB and GK they signed Van Dijk and Allison.

When we needed a CB and striker we signed Saha and Nelsen
back in the day and this summer when we needed a CM to replace Dembele/Wanyama and a CF to replace Llorente we signed nobody.

Now I understand the stadium etc restricts us and sets out ambition - but you can't sit here and deny that the former two clearly seek to improve with the aim of winning things where as we mend, make-do and hope. Now I'm not moaning about that - I hope more than anything that it works out I'm just making the point that Liverpool and City are actively seeking to win things whereas we are not...the fact that Liverpool finished below us in the last few years doesn't change that.

We signed Sanchez and Son more recently.
 

ValenciaYid

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Jul 17, 2008
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And neither have won anything...Liverpool are trying to improve and Spurs are not.

We've been great so far but we are still below Liverpool...

Spurs' mission statement under Levy has only ever been to buy in order to and only in order to, improve.

If anyone cant see the absolute massive improvement of THFC as a football club under Levy from the training facility to the management to the quality of playing staff and to that small matter of a brand new state of the art home, they are kidding themselves….
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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I don't think anything you have said refutes what I'm saying.

It's clear - spending money doesn't guarantee success, teams can spend money badly and we have done very well to be where we are given our budget.

Teams that are serious about winning things go out and get the players they think will improve them in positions where they are weak.

We do not do that - we either sign no one or we sign players that are available who we think are good value.

When City needed new fullbacks and GK - they signed Walker, Mendy, Danilo and Ederson.

Whe Liverpool needed a CB and GK they signed Van Dijk and Allison.

When we needed a CB and striker we signed Saha and Nelsen back in the day and this summer when we needed a CM to replace Dembele/Wanyama and a CF to replace Llorente we signed nobody.

Now I understand the stadium etc restricts us and sets out ambition - but you can't sit here and deny that the former two clearly seek to improve with the aim of winning things where as we mend, make-do and hope. Now I'm not moaning about that - I hope more than anything that it works out I'm just making the point that Liverpool and City are actively seeking to win things whereas we are not...the fact that Liverpool finished below us in the last few years doesn't change that.

I don't think you do otherwise you wouldn't be trying to make this point.
 
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