What's new

ITK Discussion The Daily ITK Discussion Thread 3rd January

Status
Not open for further replies.

king26

Well-Known Member
Feb 28, 2008
1,103
1,490
we proved before spending silly money does not work for us hence stuck with jansen and silly money wasted was the bale money we dont need to spend silly money just buy players to fit our system even lower league non league not the price we play but the right players
 

Johnny J

Not the Kiwi you need but the one you deserve
Aug 18, 2012
18,534
48,899
we proved before spending silly money does not work for us hence stuck with jansen and silly money wasted was the bale money we dont need to spend silly money just buy players to fit our system even lower league non league not the price we play but the right players
Silly money works if you buy the right players. That's what Liverpool did with VVD and Allison.
 

Paolo10

Well-Known Member
Apr 6, 2004
6,179
7,621
Spam and dislike all you like but im not wrong ?

More spams for sharing an unpopular opinion, pathetic again from some posters IMO.

I don't understand why we pursue the same top level targets for years at a time when it's clear we either won't pay the money/fees/wages.

This 'Aim High and if all else fails look for a bargain' strategy isn't working in this era of spiralling transfer fees and international TV money etc.

The squad Homegrown issue needs sorted as a priority, sell sell sell ffs!
 

Goobers

Well-Known Member
Jul 29, 2011
1,979
3,193
Thank a once again for the info lads. I agree that the squad needs balancing in terms of the homegrown quotas.
Regarding offloading players I suppose “taking risks” on players such as GKN is exactly that and when they don’t come off we have todeal with the consequences.
 

Lilbaz

Just call me Baz
Apr 1, 2005
41,363
74,893
I thought there was previous ITK (in the summer) saying that Levy did, indeed, pay agents' fees?

Perhaps he's not paying enough anymore to get the players we need, which puts us back at square one, but I thought someone said that he has paid up in the past?

He does pay agents fees it's in the financials.

The only itk i remember was that we don't deal with mendes because he will keep trying to move players not that we are unwilling to pay fees. Or has new itk said different?
 
D

Deleted member 27995

More spams for sharing an unpopular opinion, pathetic again from some posters IMO.

I don't understand why we pursue the same top level targets for years at a time when it's clear we either won't pay the money/fees/wages.

This 'Aim High and if all else fails look for a bargain' strategy isn't working in this era of spiralling transfer fees and international TV money etc.

The squad Homegrown issue needs sorted as a priority, sell sell sell ffs!
Or perhaps we're just not at the level some of you seem to think we are.

As for sell sell sell, if people don't want to buy them, what do you do?

This time of year it's the same fucking faces saying the same fucking things, but between the summer and winter transfer windows they are no where to be seen. How fucking depressing is it for some of you who support this great club ... Fuck a duck.
 

Paolo10

Well-Known Member
Apr 6, 2004
6,179
7,621
You can't gamble on a player, have that gamble fail and still expect to recoup the majority of a transfer fee. It's pretty simple.

How long has this deadwood been in the squad now? 4 windows? 5?

People mention Dortmund and other European sides as examples, when they don't have the same squad imbalances we have so can take more gambles on players that we miss out on and will continue to miss out on until we can shift the deadwood in the squad.

It's depressing seeing the same shit every window from the club a lot more than from the fucking fans tbh.
 

Hakkz

Svensk hetsporre
Jul 6, 2012
8,196
17,270
I suspect that the very best young players typically won't be happy with the idea of a club 'developing' them - rather, they want to be treated like they've already arrived. A club promising them development rather than a guaranteed first team place probably isn't doing itself any favours.

'Development at a top six Premier League Club' is a carrot to be offered to the likes of Berge, Bowens and players of that calibre who would be moving to a club of significantly greater stature than their current side.

A De Ligt or Pulisic, established internationals moving from clubs of comparable size to ours, wants the Premier League money (and we can't/won't match the wages + agent fees offered by the 3, 4 or all 5 of the other top six teams), they want to move to a team where they'll be challenging for significant trophies, and they want to be playing regularly. If we can't pay what others can, can't offer the likelihood of trophies that others can and/or can't or won't guarantee them regular first team football, then we're not going to be attractive compared to the other sides.

Having that reinforced by seeing great players routinely move elsewhere that would strengthen our side... That seems to be something we have to get used to, based on what we're hearing.

*

It is deeply frustrating that our shortlists are apparently so short. Of course we're looking for great players, and so we should, but that the summer shopping list appears to have been only a very few players and no alternatives, and that we're not in a position to sign anyone early in this window to make the most of that added time... I do wonder how specific our list of criteria for incoming players is.

The inability to move on bitpart players like Vorm and N'Koudou seemingly continues to cost us, as we apparently can't move until they're gone. I wonder if there's a willingness to, for example, let Vorm go on a free just to free up that squad space; Gazzaniga seems to be the second choice keeper now, so that surely has to be under consideration... but is the club in a position even to sacrifice that potential return of a fee from selling him?

True that. "Come and develop at our club" could just sound like "We can be your stepping stone", most of the those players can bypass the stepping stone though.
 

FinnYid

Well-Known Member
Jul 18, 2006
4,542
4,144
Don't know how current JJ's info is(as in we have tried recently and been knocked back again) but both De Jong and Pulisic turned us down in the Summer. Neither was a wages issue at that point from what I was told.


Shame about De Jong, but many BVB fans don't seem to rate Pulisic that high and think his development has stalled this season. Ok, he has commercial potentiality, but other than that, perhaps not too big a loss.
 

Gbspurs

Gatekeeper for debates, King of the plonkers
Jan 27, 2011
26,971
61,861
I also think some players may not fancy us because playing for us is "hard work". Double training and punishing sessions plus the expectation of putting in a shift during the game.

My view is if you don't fancy being part of what we have going on then I'm glad you choose not to sign for us. We need a dressing room full of players who would run through a wall for this club and thars what Poch seems to be building.
 
Last edited:

nedley

John Duncan's Love Child
Jul 28, 2006
13,969
28,103
Im sure Poch agrees with this stance against agents. But when we repeatedly fail to get him our 'audere est facere' targets, just remember there are teams out there that would.

It's pure romance and foolishness to think otherwise.
 

BringBack_leGin

Well-Known Member
Jul 28, 2004
27,719
54,929
Same shit every window?

Granted last window sucked but the previous window saw us sign Lucas, who has contributed heavily to our thus far excellent season.

The window before that saw us sign Sanchez and Foyth, thank fuck we have both of them given the injuries and contract situations surrounding the Belgians.

The January before that was blank, but the summer before that saw Wanyama (who proceeded to have a sensation season) and Sissoko (who is currently having a sensational season) arrive.

The summer before that saw Alderweireld, Trippier, Son and Wimmer arrive. The former three are still currently in our best xi, the fourth was pivotal in us finishing 3rd and qualifying for the champions league for the first time since 2010.

The January before that? Dele Alli, who made immediate impact and is one of our most important players still. The summer before that? Ben Davies and Eric Dier, the former finishing last season as the league’s top assisting defender, the latter making an immediate impact and to this day remaining a first choice player via a multitude of international caps.

Same old shit every window? We’ve had one bad summer, and other than that have been very successful throughout Pochettino’s tenure, with no fewer than 12 players across 8 windows before last summer who have made significant contributions to our magnificent improvement as a club,
 

newbie

Well-Known Member
Jul 16, 2004
6,078
6,372
Sissoko and Winks are gonna need a 3 month spa break after the season they'll be ruined

Apparently they take spa days regularly together such is the bond between them, they share a mud pack and rub down Winks even uses Sissoko towel rack in the sauna. There bond is so strong Mo hasn’t had the heart to tell him it’s not a towel rack.
 
Last edited:

RichieS

Well-Known Member
Dec 23, 2004
11,916
16,436
Same shit every window?

Granted last window sucked but the previous window saw us sign Lucas, who has contributed heavily to our thus far excellent season.

The window before that saw us sign Sanchez and Foyth, thank fuck we have both of them given the injuries and contract situations surrounding the Belgians.

The January before that was blank, but the summer before that saw Wanyama (who proceeded to have a sensation season) and Sissoko (who is currently having a sensational season) arrive.

The summer before that saw Alderweireld, Trippier, Son and Wimmer arrive. The former three are still currently in our best xi, the fourth was pivotal in us finishing 3rd and qualifying for the champions league for the first time since 2010.

The January before that? Dele Alli, who made immediate impact and is one of our most important players still. The summer before that? Ben Davies and Eric Dier, the former finishing last season as the league’s top assisting defender, the latter making an immediate impact and to this day remaining a first choice player via a multitude of international caps.

Same old shit every window? We’ve had one bad summer, and other than that have been very successful throughout Pochettino’s tenure, with no fewer than 12 players across 8 windows before last summer who have made significant contributions to our magnificent improvement as a club,
Well, you can prove anything with facts.
 

hutchiniho

Top Cat
Mar 19, 2006
4,679
5,935
Shame about De Jong, but many BVB fans don't seem to rate Pulisic that high and think his development has stalled this season. Ok, he has commercial potentiality, but other than that, perhaps not too big a loss.

That’s might be the case and maybe £56m saves

The ITK suggests we were in for him tho but he turned us down, in favour of Chelsea on top of that.

That’s the problem for me, regardless of whether he’s any good or not.

Poch vs Sarri
New WHL vs SB
Training facilities, champions league also in our favour
Why are these guys still opting for a Chelsea?
Interesting from Gbspurs but
Can only be £€$¥?
 
Last edited:

chinaman

Well-Known Member
Jul 19, 2003
17,974
12,423
That’s might be the case and maybe £56m saves

The ITK suggests we were in for him tho but he turned us down, in favour of Chelsea on top of that.

That’s the problem for me, regardless of whether he’s any good or not.

Poch vs Sarri
New WHL vs SB
Training facilities, champions league also in our favour
Why are these guys still opting for a Chelsea?
Can only be £€$¥?


Maybe these super rich prima donnas don't want the hard work Poch demands from his players?:)
 

nailsy

SC Supporter
Jul 24, 2005
30,536
46,630
It's interesting that we've tried for two players in different positions. Does that mean that we would have bought them both if available, or are we just trying our luck with the best young players and not necessarily looking to fill the holes in our squad?
 

Bulletspur

The Reasonable Advocate
Match Thread Admin
Oct 17, 2006
10,701
25,259
Chelsea win league titles and pay big money to players and agents. It's not rocket science that he chose them over us especially when there will be a big gaping Hazard shaped hole of opportunity to fill. We still have a way to go if there's a choice between us and them.

Reality is we are more attractive than Arsenal, but the other 5? Not so much.
How so?
 

Trix

Well-Known Member
Jul 29, 2004
19,511
330,415
Can I just clarify something on this, Trix? By affiliation, do you mean just the relationship an agent will have with an individual club or that some agents prefer only working with a certain set of clubs?
Bit of both. I know of a club that promised an agent I know if he got one player to go them they would take another that they didn't really want and they would help out with others regarding media etc. Two signing on fee's for the agent plus drumming up interest for his other players etc. He didn't do it but it goes on an awful lot. Not so much backhanders but Agents not doing what's best for their players without them knowing.
 

rez9000

Any point?
Feb 8, 2007
11,942
21,098
Bit of both. I know of a club that promised an agent I know if he got one player to go them they would take another that they didn't really want and they would help out with others regarding media etc. Two signing on fee's for the agent plus drumming up interest for his other players etc. He didn't do it but it goes on an awful lot. Not so much backhanders but Agents not doing what's best for their players without them knowing.
Very illuminating. Thank you.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top