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spursfan77

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I know what some teams (Chelsea in particular) do though, which as far as I'm aware we don't, is to structure loan contracts so that the more they play, the less it costs a club. If a player appears for a certain amount of games/minutes etc. the loan fee decreases in stages, or the parent club will cover more of the wages - there's some extra incentive there to play them and stick with them.

They had Redknapp and an agent on the BT Premier League Tonight programme yesterday and they were saying that lots of clubs can’t afford the wages the Chelsea players are on so can’t take them. I wonder if it’s the same with us.

Also they said that when clubs take players on loan and don’t play them then sometimes there is a clause in the contract that they have to pay double the wages that week as a penalty for not involving the loanee.
 

coys200

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Edwards with a man of the match performance

Squad balance wise I think it would be ideal if the 6th choice AM/winger (basically Nkoudou squad place) was young British. I do like Clarke at Leeds but if Edwards could come back and claim it be fantastic.
 

yankspurs

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Edwards with a man of the match performance
Was watching some of that earlier. Dutch league has some nasty, cynical fouls. Both sides were just clobbering people. I guess if its toughness he needs to work on, theres no better player than the Eriedivsie.
 

Tom Hep

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would expect parrott to stay in the u23s now with sterling, harrison and janssen all gone.

Nice to see Lyons-Foster and Walcott coming in for Eyoma while he's banned, especially BLF as he should be playing regularly at this level. I'm glad Okedina has come in for Reynolds rather than Cirkin, as I believe he is more ready for the PL2. Also, good to see Austin back from a two-week injury layoff.
 

Locotoro

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Was watching some of that earlier. Dutch league has some nasty, cynical fouls. Both sides were just clobbering people. I guess if its toughness he needs to work on, theres no better player than the Eriedivsie.
I suspect Edwards may have to wait a good few years before he's able to comfortably play PL level due to the physicality. I'm not convinced he'll be happy to wait.
 

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Imagine KWP got a MOM on his debut but a year and half later he still hasn’t been given a propa run


I don't know if he's joking but as standard. He doesn't want him to go.on loan but doesn't trust him to play. But due to injuries he has to them he gets the credit and everyone wants to buy AWB.

Were it not for those injuries he 'wouldn't be good enough' but now the genius manager as has a 50m player everyone wants to buy when we have our own. Heck what happened to Sessegnon for 50m. All players require is an opportunity, though in KWPs case even that wasn't enough
 

ralphs bald spot

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I don't know if he's joking but as standard. He doesn't want him to go.on loan but doesn't trust him to play. But due to injuries he has to them he gets the credit and everyone wants to buy AWB.

Were it not for those injuries he 'wouldn't be good enough' but now the genius manager as has a 50m player everyone wants to buy when we have our own. Heck what happened to Sessegnon for 50m. All players require is an opportunity, though in KWPs case even that wasn't enough

Some of it for kids is luck - a few years back when Ceballios was at Spurs he was superb for the U21s for a bit and was knocking on the door of the first team. Dempsey was injured and all week long it looked as Ceballios would make his debut - in the end a half injured Dempsey played and I think scored and Ceballios missed out. After that he never looked the same player given that he has done little since its likely that he wouldn't have made an impact but that was his moment and I think sometimes it is that one off opportunity that can make or break a career
 

coys200

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I suspect Edwards may have to wait a good few years before he's able to comfortably play PL level due to the physicality. I'm not convinced he'll be happy to wait.

Edwards is 20. When were you planning on him making his debut 24 ?
 

Blake Griffin

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Edwards is 20. When were you planning on him making his debut 24 ?

24 is a bit late but i don't think it would be the end of the world if he were to spend the next couple of seasons out on loan, by which point he'd still only be 22 - so roughly at the point where kwp is now.
 

ralphs bald spot

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24 is a bit late but i don't think it would be the end of the world if he were to spend the next couple of seasons out on loan, by which point he'd still only be 22 - so roughly at the point where kwp is now.

Sorry to say but on the showing today he is nowhere near a first team player at Tottenham. He seems to have stagnated or perhaps even gone backwards he is 20 years old I would guess he is another whose contract may be up this season. How long do you keep hold of him ? I would guess that his time is now gone and a future prospect is worth investing more time in - I don't know where he will make a living in football but I am guessing that he may struggle to find a club in England
 

IGSpur

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Scarlett and Hackett called up for some England u15 games. And Michael Craig called up for Scotland u17s in a tournament featuring Hungary, France and England
 

Blake Griffin

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Sorry to say but on the showing today he is nowhere near a first team player at Tottenham. He seems to have stagnated or perhaps even gone backwards he is 20 years old I would guess he is another whose contract may be up this season. How long do you keep hold of him ? I would guess that his time is now gone and a future prospect is worth investing more time in - I don't know where he will make a living in football but I am guessing that he may struggle to find a club in England

i don't see 20 as being the cut off point as to whether a player will be good enough long-term or not, i'd happily give him at least another couple of years and then see then where he's at. we all saw salah at 20 playing against us, he caused us all kinds of problems until it came to the final ball, mahrez took way into his 20s until he became effective, same with zaha and others. yes for those three players you can name a whole load more who never kicked on but giving up on edwards now would be a risky decision and one we could really end up regretting. what do spurs have to lose by keeping him and loaning him out again for the next year or two?

out of interest would you also say that kwp's time is up? he's effectively two years older than edwards and whilst he's had a few token appearances he's realistically still not close to starting games for us. i could ask what you think we should do with the likes of shashoua and roles too who are both more or less edwards' age?
 

ralphs bald spot

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i don't see 20 as being the cut off point as to whether a player will be good e
out of interest would you also say that kwp's time is up? he's effectively two years older than edwards and whilst he's had a few token appearances he's realistically still not close to starting games for us. i could ask what you think we should do with the likes of shashoua and roles too who are both more or less edwards' age?


I think the problem with Marcus judged on today he has the same issues that he had as a youth team player - he struggles to get involved in games - he has a poor awareness of space and his movement to me has always been a question and watching today's game I saw exactly the same. I think given his role in a team he has to be a special player because he offers very little defensively so his contribution at the other end has to be special and though yes he can dribble his end product was always questionable neither enough goals or poor decision making.

I think Kyle is different he was an outstanding youth team player and has made a decent impact when playing for the first team - I think he would undoubtedly benefit from more first team experience but he is not far away in my opinion.

Shash is little like Edwards a fun player to watch but again he is small and has to find a role in a team , which effectively will be an old fashioned 10 is he good enough to fill that role in a top side I am not certain but I think what he has done in finding a loan for himself and seemingly making a decent impact is a good sign for the kid

Saying that about both Edwards and Shash they perhaps need to look at Lameiras who in many ways had a similar skill set to them and is carving out a decent reputation at Plymouth


Roles I can't really comment on for a few reasons
 

glospur

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Edwards with a man of the match performance
Nathan Clarke retweeted an every touch and defensive contribution from WyScout and he too called it a MotM performance, but unless every other player on the pitch was playing like park footballers, there was no chance he was MotM. Some nice dribbles, but did very little with it. In fact, in the first half especially he gave it away almost every time he was in space with poor decision making or pass execution, and again too at the end when he squandered a chance to win it with both a poor decision and pass.
 

coys200

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I was joking about 24 by the way. Obviously to have any chance he’d really need to be making some impact next season. I watched the 1st half highlights. The worst part for me was when he was through twice on goal and looked completely clueless what to do. On the plus side around the edge of a packed box he does have the ability to cause chaos and draw a lot of free kicks. In a game like Saturday at 0-0 he’d be a useful sub to bring on at 70 minutes.
 

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i know its a completely different sport but Tom Brady has just won another super bowl at 41 yrs old, I think its 6 now, which i think 5 was a record, anyway before the draft he was completely written off the scouting report for him was pretty damming, he was a 6th round draft pick. anyway, he has gone on to greatness and all the quater backs from his draft picked in front of him went on to do nothing.

The point is maybe physically he needed a bit longer to mature and bulk up, but what sets him apart his is drive, willingness to improve and calmness under pressure as the game gets bigger he gets better. He reminds me in some ways of Harry Kane.
 

kmk

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i know its a completely different sport but Tom Brady has just won another super bowl at 41 yrs old, I think its 6 now, which i think 5 was a record, anyway before the draft he was completely written off the scouting report for him was pretty damming, he was a 6th round draft pick. anyway, he has gone on to greatness and all the quater backs from his draft picked in front of him went on to do nothing.

The point is maybe physically he needed a bit longer to mature and bulk up, but what sets him apart his is drive, willingness to improve and calmness under pressure as the game gets bigger he gets better. He reminds me in some ways of Harry Kane.

Harry Kane himself has said that he was inspired by Tom Brady.
 
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