New Stadium Details And Discussions

hugrr · Feb 20, 2019

Lilbaz said:
They'll have to check each device to see if it's working as intended and that all the information being relayed back to the panel and to other panels and devices is correct, address etc... so say there are 2000 smoke detectors in the building each will have to be checked. Then heat detectors, break glass units etc...

They'll also need to check certain things trigger as they're supposed to, some things will be zonal (ie a call point activating under the south stand will trigger alarm Sounders in the local area constantly, intermittently elsewhere), others would be more specific (ie a heat detector activating in a fried chicken stall shuts off the gas to that specific kitchen). They'll also need to check alarm dB levels in all areas. There's a lot of work involved, & they'll have a massive checklist to work through, but they should have it done in the timeframe easily IMO.

davidmatzdorf · Feb 20, 2019

hugrr said:
They'll also need to check certain things trigger as they're supposed to, some things will be zonal (ie a call point activating under the south stand will trigger alarm Sounders in the local area constantly, intermittently elsewhere), others would be more specific (ie a heat detector activating in a fried chicken stall shuts off the gas to that specific kitchen). They'll also need to check alarm dB levels in all areas. There's a lot of work involved, & they'll have a massive checklist to work through, but they should have it done in the timeframe easily IMO.

I'm struggling to see how any of this "disagrees" with what I posted earlier. It seems to reinforce it.

hugrr · Feb 20, 2019

davidmatzdorf said:
I'm struggling to see how any of this "disagrees" with what I posted earlier. It seems to reinforce it.

It's just that this is a standard alarm system, a very large one, but nothing out of the ordinary. I just disagree that this is something extremely complicated, though it's my line of work so I work with systems like this regularly.

Lighty64 · Feb 20, 2019

davidmatzdorf said:
If Brighton and Palace get through to the next round, as is likely, and we have no matches between 9 March and 6 April, followed by having to cram three matches per week into April, I would expect that one or two matches will be rescheduled into the gap. In that case, I expect we would play them at NWHL if possible.

the only game we have is the Liverpool match away, but due to the FA Cup and the England internationals the only free dates to play Palace would be the 12/13 March or 2/3 April (only just realised this midweek is free).

the big question being would they allow us to play a London derby and open it for a midweek fixture

davidmatzdorf · Feb 21, 2019

hugrr said:
It's just that this is a standard alarm system, a very large one, but nothing out of the ordinary. I just disagree that this is something extremely complicated, though it's my line of work so I work with systems like this regularly.

The only thing out of the ordinary about it is the degree to which it has been fucked up.

I think your experience is perhaps causing you to misunderstand some of the less constructive posts here. Some people have no concept of what an integrated alarm system is like. They think it's a bell and a break-glass. It is extremely complicated. But so is every similar system in every development of this magnitude.

You obviously know that from direct experience. I know it from project-managing developments. Some people here want it explaining. But there are also people here who dismiss the whole thing as needing a screwdriver and five minutes to sort out. They think they're being lied to. They aren't. It's been a balls-up of impressive proportions.

Lilbaz · Feb 21, 2019

hugrr said:
They'll also need to check certain things trigger as they're supposed to, some things will be zonal (ie a call point activating under the south stand will trigger alarm Sounders in the local area constantly, intermittently elsewhere), others would be more specific (ie a heat detector activating in a fried chicken stall shuts off the gas to that specific kitchen). They'll also need to check alarm dB levels in all areas. There's a lot of work involved, & they'll have a massive checklist to work through, but they should have it done in the timeframe easily IMO.

Yep and these tests never finish. They will get the ok but still be routinely tested in sections every few months or so.
The alarms themselves once a week.

Lilbaz · Feb 21, 2019

davidmatzdorf said:
The only thing out of the ordinary about it is the degree to which it has been fucked up.

I think your experience is perhaps causing you to misunderstand some of the less constructive posts here. Some people have no concept of what an integrated alarm system is like. They think it's a bell and a break-glass. It is extremely complicated. But so is every similar system in every development of this magnitude.

You obviously know that from direct experience. I know it from project-managing developments. Some people here want it explaining. But there are also people here who dismiss the whole thing as needing a screwdriver and five minutes to sort out. They think they're being lied to. They aren't. It's been a balls-up of impressive proportions.

Yep i for one am not arguing it has been a fuckup.

Lilbaz · Feb 21, 2019

Chris cowlin vid.

Can anyone show the pic of the pitch at the end of the vid. Looks weird. Although slope doesn't look like it will rape anyone.

THFCSPURS19 · Feb 21, 2019

So he's changed back to a more negative vibe again. I'm sorry, as I said before he's obvs just trying to be useful, but he's just not. He clearly has knowledge of the safety systems we're using but that's about it.

Sandro30 · Feb 21, 2019

He’s not ITK let’s be honest. He’s changed his tune more times than he’s changed his underwear.

worcestersauce · Feb 21, 2019

My understanding from previous posts is that the testing has been done on an ongoing basis so it isn't like we've got to test everything on a first case basis even if we have to go through the whole routine again for inspection.
Another thing that I wonder is if there has to be a continuous testing routine when we are up and running what are the repurcussions of a single point failure, for example if a break glass terminal doesn't work must we shut the whole stadium down and retest everything before a match can be played? if not then the failure of a single terminal in this innitial test must be allowed a work around mustn't it?
Not that this system will ever be used in anger in my lifetime anyway.

Tottenhamboy85 · Feb 21, 2019

THFCSPURS19 said:
So he's changed back to a more negative vibe again. I'm sorry, as I said before he's obvs just trying to be useful, but he's just not. He clearly has knowledge of the safety systems we're using but that's about it.

Tbh I just wish people like him would just shut up rather than putting out comments that change like the wind.

It’s obviously a complex build that things keep changing so let’s us just wait on official communication instead of this shiet

dave5150 · Feb 21, 2019

THFCSPURS19 said:
So he's changed back to a more negative vibe again. I'm sorry, as I said before he's obvs just trying to be useful, but he's just not. He clearly has knowledge of the safety systems we're using but that's about it.

Stacey1882 reminds me of Akqayid when he was an ITK here.
They are/were both clearly privy to some info but from dubious sources (sports agents/random contractors on site) - some of which might be true but lots also isn't.
They both really want to share all the info they hear to fellow supporters (and both enjoy the follows/likes/general adulation that comes with this stream of info) but don't filter it and pick out the bits they think might be true and sensationalise everything that isn't dull into something that sounds much better/worse than it actually is.
I'm waiting for Stacey to come out with a #nextseasongoodnight to complete the circle of life...

Finchyid · Feb 21, 2019

I really appreciate Stacs info with regards to the process, wish he would leave the guesswork out though.. The club will tell us whats going on.. My view is update will be 3rd March

hugrr · Feb 21, 2019

worcestersauce said:
My understanding from previous posts is that the testing has been done on an ongoing basis so it isn't like we've got to test everything on a first case basis even if we have to go through the whole routine again for inspection.
Another thing that I wonder is if there has to be a continuous testing routine when we are up and running what are the repurcussions of a single point failure, for example if a break glass terminal doesn't work must we shut the whole stadium down and retest everything before a match can be played? if not then the failure of a single terminal in this innitial test must be allowed a work around mustn't it?
Not that this system will ever be used in anger in my lifetime anyway.

If a point is faulty, then it can be isolated until a replacement is fitted. For a site of this size I'd expect them to have a load of spares stored on site, though detectors may need to be replaced by the service company (I can't remember whether a detector address is stored in the detector or the base with Minerva, if it's the base then Doris the tea lady could replace a detector, if it's stored in the detector then it would need someone with the Minerva addressing kit).

The chances of a single fault causing a stadium shutdown would be extremely rare, that would only be if a main panel failed, & even then you could get by with fire marshals.

TheWallYid · Feb 21, 2019

My two pence worth....from what I understand the first game to be played will be a weekend kick off first. The police do not want an evening game because this causes much more headaches. The club want people to be at the stadium earlier as most would. Im going to throw my hat in the ring and call the first game being the weekend of 13th April against Huddersfield.

Lighty64 · Feb 21, 2019

Lilbaz said:
Chris cowlin vid.

Can anyone show the pic of the pitch at the end of the vid. Looks weird. Although slope doesn't look like it will rape anyone.

hope they will fix the big gap in one of those panels on the sky walk

DanielCHillier · Feb 21, 2019

Just some info on the skybridge, the electrical and mechanical fit out for that is still being designed. So that won't be open properly until next season at earliest.

whitesocks · Feb 21, 2019

Tottenhamboy85 said:
Tbh I just wish people like him would just shut up rather than putting out comments that change like the wind.

It’s obviously a complex build that things keep changing so let’s us just wait on official communication instead of this shiet

The trouble is the official communicators want to manage our expectations as a priority rather than keep us informed. There seems to be a management/professional rule about informing people - tell them as little as possible and lie about what you do say. That way you are in total control and can keep people compliant.

But reality has a way of interfering in these fantasies and the upshot is people rightfully have no trust in official communications when they are repeatedly found to be BS.

So we are left with stacs who clearly knows his stuff and has inside knowledge. But he is only going to get part of the story and risks his job and the jobs of his contacts if he is too coherent. His gut feeling is 'after 21st April' and as he doesn't back it up, we can take it or leave it really.

TottenhamMattSpur · Feb 21, 2019

TheWallYid said:
My two pence worth....from what I understand the first game to be played will be a weekend kick off first. The police do not want an evening game because this causes much more headaches. The club want people to be at the stadium earlier as most would. Im going to throw my hat in the ring and call the first game being the weekend of 13th April against Huddersfield.

Unless you have some direct links, you don't know if any of that is true/matter of fact though.

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