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Flashspur

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I think they have been buying up a lot of property/land directly around the ground and slightly further afield as well with an eye on building a brand new stadium in the same area. I know a few on here that would be spitting feathers about that!!

It puts our stadium even more into perspective really. It's been a long old slog to get the thing built, but when the likes of Man U are unable to maintain CL whilst not improving their infrastructure it shows what a challenge the modern, money-centric game is.

...their owners will go down the el cheapo route and put in some updates to the existing stands. You just know it. Its the Glazers cash cow just like Kroneke or whatever his name is treats Arsenal.
 

worcestersauce

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I’ve only been there once, about ten years ago, and I thought it looked more tired than WHL then, so it must be dreadful now.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see them build a new stadium once they see how profitable ours is. Their debt is already huge, what’s another billion going to do!!
I very much doubt the Glazers will invest money in a new stadium, as far as I know the club's debt is down to the loan the club took out to buy itself for the Glazers, they bought it then took out a loan to pay themselves back so they got Manchester United for nothing and if they weren't willing to spend money to buy the club they won't spend it for the sake of the club or the fans. Parasites don't work that way.
 

Lighty64

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I married into an Arsenal family in order to rescue a sweet girl from such an upbringing

I did that it didn’t work so I divorced her, now married (24 years Monday week) to an Ipswich follower but brings so much bad luck when Spurs are playing I have to ban her even seeing me
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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I’ve only been there once, about ten years ago, and I thought it looked more tired than WHL then, so it must be dreadful now.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see them build a new stadium once they see how profitable ours is. Their debt is already huge, what’s another billion going to do!!

Be a different ball game in Manchester. The logistics would be kinder, the costs lower. They could build our stadium for 2/3 the price at worst I reckon up there.

...their owners will go down the el cheapo route and put in some updates to the existing stands. You just know it. Its the Glazers cash cow just like Kroneke or whatever his name is treats Arsenal.

It's got the capacity already, that's the thing. 5 years ago, they might have thought about adding seats to make it 90k or so, but all the new fans up there are blue :ROFLMAO:
All they really need to do is provide some high end premium stuff to charge the earth for and kit out the general admin area's.
Ours was far too small to just add seats to, so we had to start from the ground up. At which point we decided somewhere along the line to go properly all in.
We could have built a similar sized stadium with the seat lay out at least for a lot less than we ended up spending. Levy just decided to go ball deep.
 

mil1lion

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Yes got my ticket for the Ajax game. This will be my first in the Paxton end, have done East and South stands.
 

coys200

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Not a chance United are building a new stadium. They are stil £500m in debt and I wouldn’t be surprised if their demise on the pitch continues there could be a bit of an implosion there financially. Their owner ship is very shady and house of cards like. Not sure anyone would be surprised if it all went tits up Liverpool style.
 
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Lighty64

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got my ticket for Ajax, I have to sit on the phone doughnut of death, thank god I've unlimited minutes. might be the last 1 this season.
 

Saoirse

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Just now? Been saying sold out for about 30 mins now?
Always worth it to keep trying. Some people will put multiple seats in their basket so they can choose between them, possibly consult with someone else they're buying for on where they'd rather be etc. These then become available again when the person removes them from the basket to buy something else, or failing that once they time out after 25 minutes or so. If you're spamming the Choose for Me option constantly you might get lucky and click it just as one of them becomes available.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Not a chance United are building a new stadium. They are stil £500m in debt and I wouldn’t be surprised if their demise on the pitch continues there could be a bit of an implosion there financially. Their owner ship is very shady and house of cards like. Not sure anyone would be surprised if it all went tits up Liverpool style.

eh?
 

'O Zio

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Only paid up members could buy re-listed season tickets.
Most of the paid up members have already bought tickets when they went on sale.
It's the ones who are too stingey to become a member that can't buy the ticket.
They moan they can't afford the £50 but I can't see how they can then subsequently afford £50+ every single game they want to go to so badly.

Not really a fair assessment to be honest. Plenty of people can only afford to get to one, maybe two, games a season, especially if they don't live in London so have to pay travel/accomodation etc. on top of it. So if you're only buying one ticket a season, buying a membership almost doubles the cost of the ticket. It's not necessarily about being stingy, plenty of people genuinely can't afford to go that often. Congratulations to you if you've got so much money you don't need to worry about affording to go to more than 1 game, but there are plenty of people out there who struggle to get by let alone to shell out hundreds of pounds to get to a game and judging them for not being as rich and carefree with their money as you is harsh IMO.

On top of that, the daft season-length membership rather than a 12 calendar month membership system means buying a membership now, for example, just doesn't make any sense. Who is going to pay 50-60 quid to have membership privileges for basically the next couple of weeks?

Finally, the current system, especially with how many STs they've released, makes it almost completely pointless becoming a member now. To use myself as an example, I've spent most of the last 10 years living abroad and only recently moved back to the UK. Even if I bite the bullet and pay to be a member next season, there's well over 100k paying members, and after ST holders/away allocation etc. there's apparently only about 7k seats available to non=ST holders each game. So 100k people with varying degrees of LPs competing for 7k tickets....and they expect me to shell out 50 quid to be a member with 0 LP? For what? In practice I've got absolutely no chance of getting a game even with membership unless there's suddenly an outbreak of the plague and so many ST holders can't make it that some of those 7k tickets filter their way through all the members down to the 0 LP brigade. I don't have 0 LP because I'm less of a loyal fan, it's just that flying into London every couple of weeks for matches just wasn't an option for me for the past however many years. The mere fact that you're able to attend more games doesn't make you any more loyal, especially given how much of it depends on personal circumstances at the time. I reckon a fan who watches every game at 2am from Australia and makes it over for 1 game a year is equally as loyal as someone who lives in North London and has a ST and gets to 19 games a year to be honest.
 

popstar7

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I don't agree with your last point. I've lived outside the UK for most of the last twenty years. In fact the only times I've seen Tottenham in that time has been a few games in Manchester and away games in Spain/Germany/Italy.

Moved back last summer and got the basic One Hotspur membership and saw four games at Wembley, was able to get a ticket through the exchange for Brighton and there are (a few) tickets available right now for West Ham.

I'm never going to get anywhere near season ticket eligibility but for now the membership makes sense. There clearly aren't 100k other members trying to get tickets through the exchange and that's likely to be even more true next season when the new stadium novelty has worn off a bit.

If you want to go and you're able to pay the £40/48 membership, you'll be able to get to as many Cat B/C games as you want, I expect/hope. Just not the glamour fixtures.
 

Saoirse

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At the end of the day the system isn't perfect because there's no perfect way to do it when demand exceeds supply. But it's already proved very easy to get tickets to games like Brighton and West Ham on the exchange, and we've only just moved in. I expect this time next season it'll be pretty simple to get them before that point too. For the glamour games though, I think it's only fair that people who've committed to attending all the smaller ones get to go, and that only leaves a few thousand tickets when there's tens of thousands who want them. Lots of people are inevitably going to be disappointed and the ones who miss out will think the system's unfair.

Personally I'd say those games could, and maybe should, be done on loyalty points for members - it doesn't seem right that someone who's literally never been to a Spurs match could get a semi-final ticket ahead of someone who goes to 50% or more of our home matches. And a small number of tickets could be allocated to our supporter groups abroad or in far-flung parts of the UK, so those too far away to go all the time still have a shot if they go occasionally to smaller matches. The other thing I'd do is make it so that if you continually miss matches as an ST holder, your seat should be offered to people on the waiting list. It isn't really okay for someone to buy one just for the bigger matches because they can afford it and then leave us with empty seats for the smaller ones.
 

Spurs 1961

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Just now? Been saying sold out for about 30 mins now?

Nice it a fun stand, mostly! Had a walk round to the West and East stands from my seat and would be nice to be sitting on the half-way line but my seat behind the goal has a great view
 

vegassd

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I don't have 0 LP because I'm less of a loyal fan, it's just that flying into London every couple of weeks for matches just wasn't an option for me for the past however many years. The mere fact that you're able to attend more games doesn't make you any more loyal, especially given how much of it depends on personal circumstances at the time.
"Loyal" is not quite the right word (maybe "effort" is better) but it's something that is easy for most folk to understand the concept behind and is more marketable. The simple fact of attending games doesn't mean you are more loyal than another lifelong fan who can't make it, but it's the only reliable way to prove that you are loyal at all. That other fan might be a die hard Spurs fan living abroad or they might have been supporting Arsenal until recently! Match attendance is the only reliable and quantifiable measure of "effort" and the loyatly system is rewarding that effort.

I reckon a fan who watches every game at 2am from Australia and makes it over for 1 game a year is equally as loyal as someone who lives in North London and has a ST and gets to 19 games a year to be honest.
This is exactly why there has to be a system in place. If the game the Aussie can make is the NLD there will be a huge demand for that game. If the Aussie got the last ticket ahead of somebody who has attended every home game for the past 20 years that would be a bit dodgy wouldn't it.

As others have said, there's no way to make a perfect system that can cater to all people at the same time... it simply doesn't exist. I'm sure that as people learn the system more and more throughout next season things will become clearer and the occasional visitors will be able to get tickets. They just won't be able to pick and choose the games they attend, which is how it should be.
 

'O Zio

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"Loyal" is not quite the right word (maybe "effort" is better) but it's something that is easy for most folk to understand the concept behind and is more marketable. The simple fact of attending games doesn't mean you are more loyal than another lifelong fan who can't make it, but it's the only reliable way to prove that you are loyal at all. That other fan might be a die hard Spurs fan living abroad or they might have been supporting Arsenal until recently! Match attendance is the only reliable and quantifiable measure of "effort" and the loyatly system is rewarding that effort.


This is exactly why there has to be a system in place. If the game the Aussie can make is the NLD there will be a huge demand for that game. If the Aussie got the last ticket ahead of somebody who has attended every home game for the past 20 years that would be a bit dodgy wouldn't it.

As others have said, there's no way to make a perfect system that can cater to all people at the same time... it simply doesn't exist. I'm sure that as people learn the system more and more throughout next season things will become clearer and the occasional visitors will be able to get tickets. They just won't be able to pick and choose the games they attend, which is how it should be.

I'm not criticising the loyalty point system necessarily. I'm criticising the poster for having a pop at people for not attending more games and/or paying the membership fee. As I've pointed out, there are all kinds of reasons why people might not be able to go to many games and all kinds of reasons why they might not be able to or be prepared to pay the membership fee. To brush it all off as "you're just a shit fan then" or "you're just stingy and cheap" is completely missing the point. There are tens of thousands of people who either can't afford to get to more than a couple of games a season, or who just physically can't for whatever reason. That doesn't make them cheap or a crap fan so I don't see the need to insult them like the poster I was responding to did.

If @TottenhamMattSpur has all this money to burn and plenty of time to go to games then good luck to him. But there's no reason to start insulting people who can't and having a pop at them for not being as fincancially comfortable as him.
 

coys200

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Liverpool were on the bring of going to the wall before the FSG takeover. That’s kind of what I meant in that I wouldn’t be surprised if something calamitous happened financially. But not quite as bad as Leeds. I’m sure somebody would bail them out.
 
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