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Indisguise

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Personally, I think it was a good window. Dybala would have made it a great window but them's the breaks. To all intents and purposes, it wasn't for a lack of trying on our part.

The one thing I'd really like to know is whether Poch is happy with the window? That's the big question isn't it? Did we fulfill his ambitions enough to keep him happy. I'm leaning towards the affirmative but only time will tell I suppose.
 

SpartanSpur

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Well I was assuming that was dependant on someone buying Aurier. Regardless, blaming Levy for not getting a right back is pretty ridiculous imo.

Totally agree, I wasn't debating with you anyway, that's just how I saw it panning out. We probably had buyers for Aurier lined up (Palace/PSG) but pulled the plug without a deal lined up.
 

Vwbottom

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I just find it fucking ridiculous that although our window is shut we can still lose players abroad. Baffling.
 

Metalhead

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Personally, I think it was a good window. Dybala would have made it a great window but them's the breaks. To all intents and purposes, it wasn't for a lack of trying on our part.

The one thing I'd really like to know is whether Poch is happy with the window? That's the big question isn't it? Did we fulfill his ambitions enough to keep him happy. I'm leaning towards the affirmative but only time will tell I suppose.
Absolutely. Taking Dybala out of the equation, I would say yes, he should hopefully be happy that he has been backed. Someone gave the window 4 out of 5, which I think is fair.
 

Metalhead

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I just find it fucking ridiculous that although our window is shut we can still lose players abroad. Baffling.
Managers have complained for a while about the window being open after the season has started. The windows were brought in to try and ensure stability for clubs, especially smaller ones so I guess that it's just part of that overall objective of minimising transfers whilst the season is on.
 

dagraham

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Managers have complained for a while about the window being open after the season has started. The windows were brought in to try and ensure stability for clubs, especially smaller ones so I guess that it's just part of that overall objective of not minimising transfers whilst the season is on.

I get the idea, but it wasn’t thought through very well. I think the PL arrogantly thought that if we shifted the deadline, the other leagues would fall in line.

In the end though, I think it’s like turkeys voting for Christmas.
 

Metalhead

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I get the idea, but it wasn’t thought through very well. I think the PL arrogantly thought that if we shifted the deadline, the other leagues would fall in line.

In the end though, I think it’s like turkeys voting for Christmas.
It's not ideal, granted.
 

Tucker

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I just find it fucking ridiculous that although our window is shut we can still lose players abroad. Baffling.

Only if we choose to sell. We could easily make it very clear to players that once our deadline has passed they are stuck here.
 

RJR1949

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Personally, I think it was a good window. Dybala would have made it a great window but them's the breaks. To all intents and purposes, it wasn't for a lack of trying on our part.

The one thing I'd really like to know is whether Poch is happy with the window? That's the big question isn't it? Did we fulfill his ambitions enough to keep him happy. I'm leaning towards the affirmative but only time will tell I suppose.

Bear in mind that Poch thinks in terms of five year projects and given this he should be delighted. The club has given him a core of gifted young players coming into their best years from whom he can build a strong new team - Dele, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sessegnon, Winks, Foyth, Skipp, Parrott, KWP, all have scope to improve and their best years ahead of them.

And the club has signalled that it wants to compete with the very best.
 

srups34

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Our CB pairing is great and Lloris is one of the best keepers in the league, but I'm surprised anyone thinks we're as good as Liverpool in that department. Statistically they had the best defence in Europe last season and it was the entire foundation of their crazy points tally/CL win.

VVD genuinely looks like the best CB in the world at the moment and Allison is an absolute colossus - certainly a notch above Lloris. I also think Matip gets nowhere near enough respect on here - he's an exceptional footballer and, though he's not a rock defensively, he's no chump. Gomez too is a fantastic prospect, while everyone know how good their fullbacks are.

I don't mean to gargle Klopps ballbag, but ultimately it's the solidity of their defence, and the productivity of their fullbacks that set them apart last season. They conceded 16 less than the season before and despite only scoring 5 additional goals they improved by 22 points - that's how important the defence was to them. Robertson and Trent had twenty five assists. I'd be surprised if all of ours had 5 between them.

We have serious strengths too - in Ndombele and Lo Celso we have two extremely versatile, creative midfielders that offer qualities Liverpool lack. I also think we have far more depth in attacking options than them and we could handle a bout of injuries far better, but our defence...its not even close.
I believe our two centre backs are as good as theirs iwhen we are strong in midfield, which we now are. Last season our midfield was crippled by injuries, which in turn put a lot of pressure on the back line.
 

gerishep

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I get the idea, but it wasn’t thought through very well. I think the PL arrogantly thought that if we shifted the deadline, the other leagues would fall in line.

In the end though, I think it’s like turkeys voting for Christmas.
All or most of the PL managers voted to instigate this new system.
 

carpediem1906

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Delighted with our signings.
Not completely done with our clear out yet but from experience, this will take 2-3 transfer windows.

Poch said “painful rebuild”.
Poch said “act like a big club”.
Poch said “change the way we play”.
And arguably, Poch identified these 3 as priority signings and Levy delivered all 3.

Imo, and this is where I may get the disagrees, regardless of whether we keep Eriksen this window, these signings look absolutely crucial for the way Poch wants to play.

The common denominators amongst them 3?
1. They are excellent at receiving the ball under pressure and
2. Dribbling and driving forwards
3. Beating their man
4. Excellent short n long range passing ability, especially setting up chances or the pass before the final ball
5. Can finish
6. Can hustle and press and do their share of defensive work due to their tenacity and fitness and willingness to get stuck in

Eriksen, on his day, can pick out a pass like nobody else can, can score from outside the box and has great delivery from crosses :cautious::censored::sneaky: BUT he really doesn’t do 1,2,3 and 6 well enough

So I think we are evolving. And I trust Poch to know how to mitigate and navigate.

We are due more luck on the injury front and I believe we have a squad that can challenge this very season!

COYS!
 

SpartanSpur

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Delighted with our signings.
Not completely done with our clear out yet but from experience, this will take 2-3 transfer windows.

Poch said “painful rebuild”.
Poch said “act like a big club”.
Poch said “change the way we play”.
And arguably, Poch identified these 3 as priority signings and Levy delivered all 3.

Imo, and this is where I may get the disagrees, regardless of whether we keep Eriksen this window, these signings look absolutely crucial for the way Poch wants to play.

The common denominators amongst them 3?
1. They are excellent at receiving the ball under pressure and
2. Dribbling and driving forwards
3. Beating their man
4. Excellent short n long range passing ability, especially setting up chances or the pass before the final ball
5. Can finish
6. Can hustle and press and do their share of defensive work due to their tenacity and fitness and willingness to get stuck in

Eriksen, on his day, can pick out a pass like nobody else can, can score from outside the box and has great delivery from crosses :cautious::censored::sneaky: BUT he really doesn’t do 1,2,3 and 6 well enough

So I think we are evolving. And I trust Poch to know how to mitigate and navigate.

We are due more luck on the injury front and I believe we have a squad that can challenge this very season!

COYS!

Lo Celso especially covers all 6 points. Will be very interesting to see where he ends up playing. Can see him occupying the #8 role that Eriksen and Dele played in the 3 man midfield with mixed results last term, despite being very effective further forward for Betis. Eriksen and Dele to be released further forward where they can do more damage.

That said the beauty of versatility in those 3 AMs gives Poch plenty of options to tweak things mid game.
 

Ionman34

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Eh. Im not sure theres a change at FB. Im not sure KWP or Aurier are worse than Tripps. We managed to keep Rose which is MASSIVE. Sessegnon should add depth at LB and WF.

This window hinges on Eriksen. If he signs on, its great. If he doesnt or is sold in the next few weeks, January becomes a month where Daniel will have to open those purse strings again in a big way.
Whether or not the purse strings have to be loosened in Jan because Eriksen leaves is highly dependent on how our other midfielders perform and their fitness/lack of injuries. Don't forget that, in addition to Eriksen, we have Ndombele, Lo Celso, Winks and Skipp, as well as Dier. If these guys perform as hoped/expected then potentially losing Eriksen may not have the detrimental effect you envisage.

I'd hate to lose Eriksen, but it may not be as bad a picture as you paint. Only time will tell.
 

hakano

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I’m not worried about right back KWP was immense against inter on Sunday they had to gang up on him in a friendly as well. He did one turn and run that literally had people on their feet. I’m feeling happy we’ve actually signed some players and guaranteed a player next summer when we make Lo Celso permanent

He was also the reason why they scored.....
 
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