Lloyd Kelly

KILLA_SIN · Jan 9, 2024

Snarfalicious said:
I get your point with holding on to players too long in general. But, I view Ange as a guy who having trust in players is of the utmost importance to him. Davies is a model pro, is versatile and is home grown.

If anything, I think the addition of Kelly would mean we move on from Sessegnon. We need versatility in the backline and Davies (and Kelly) offers that, whereas Sess looks like he may be a man without a position in this setup. That may become more clear over the next few weeks, and maybe Ange will gradually move Sess back to LB once he feels the hamstring can take all the sprints, but currently it looks like he may be best to look elsewhere to get his career back on track.

Looking forward, it looks like we will be in a European competition next year, so we absolutely need options to get us through an even busier season.

Well personally I'd sell Sess and Davies I'm not one to advocate for a player to move, but we've made a lot of costly mistakes in the past not selling when we should have. I just don't see where Sess fits.

mil1lion · Jan 9, 2024

I don't think we need a 5th centre back personally. It's just whether we get a left back in the summer. I dont recall us ever having 5 for as long as we've had a back 4. Only time 5 made sense was in a back 3. You don't want to keep changing centre back combinations and we've only been playing with 5 due to fullbacks covering and Dier not good enough. If we didnt use fullbacks or if we trusted Dier more we would use 4 CBs at most. In an emergency situation Emerson can still cover but it's rarely required. Also same for fullback where Dragusin or Kelly could cover fullback if needed. I think its better to have a smaller squad of genuine quality where players play regularly and cover a couple of positions.

Davies is a great servant and no issue if he stays for depth though. Just thinking of the player and if he would want to play so little or fancy a change.

BorjeSpurs · Jan 9, 2024

Bluto Blutarsky said:
Only speaking for myself - but, assuming we have European competition next season - that is not enough.

Fair enough, does that mean you would want a 4th CB and keep Emerson and Davies as fullback rotations?

My point is that many of the big clubs solve the squad issue by having players that can play both full back and centreback, e.g. Ake/Gvardiol at City, Shaw at United, Gomez at Liverpool.

Ange pushes fullbacks so high and demand a level of creativity that someone like Kelly isn't suited as 2nd choice LB.

Bayern is more similar to us in that they have attacking full backs, they have 3 great CBs and they started this season with a youth player as 4th choice and are now looking at Dier to fill that spot.

Bluto Blutarsky · Jan 9, 2024

BorjeSpurs said:
Fair enough, does that mean you would want a 4th CB and keep Emerson and Davies as fullback rotations?

My point is that many of the big clubs solve the squad issue by having players that can play both full back and centreback, e.g. Ake/Gvardiol at City, Shaw at United, Gomez at Liverpool.

Ange pushes fullbacks so high and demand a level of creativity that someone like Kelly isn't suited as 2nd choice LB.

Bayern is more similar to us in that they have attacking full backs, they have 3 great CBs and they started this season with a youth player as 4th choice and are now looking at Dier to fill that spot.

Fair point - depend on whether Ange is comfortable with Davies as LB.

But you are right, I think we need LB cover - not sure if Kelly could fill that role in a pinch.

I am not confident that Sess can fill it, so we'll need someone since Udogie can't play every match.

ajspurs · Jan 9, 2024

BorjeSpurs said:
Replying to Bluto here but question is general.

If Dragusin signs and is a really big hit during the 2nd half of the season, showing that he is one of the best young CB talents in Europe and that he can play RCB and LCB, would people be happy with Romero, VDV, Dragusin, Davies and Emerson to go into next season?

Let's also say that we sort out good squad options for FB so that Emerson/Davies is not reliant to be 2nd choice RB & LB.

I would be happy with above, given 3 great CB options and if all three were to be injured (very unlucky, even with Romero's history of absences) then Emerson and Davies have shown that they can do a decent job.

Personally, going forward I don't want to see us in a position where we have to use Davies or Emerson as CB's, and I'd rather we not consider them as such (to take up the 4th CB slot for example), unless it's in an extreme case like now. I do feel like there's a level of solidity that you get from just having traditional CB's that you can't always replicate. Not to mention other instances like what you'd gain in defending or attacking set pieces.

I think it's good to know that Emerson or Davies are there in case we are really up against it, but if anything I'd actually rather be in a position where we have to have CB's who can cover wide, than FB's who can cover centrally. I know Davies and Emerson's performances almost contradict that, and you could very well argue that Ange's way of playing does too, but I think it's so vital to keep that spine of the team as strong as possible and of course maintaining two traditional CB's go a long way to achieving that.

Pochie · Jan 9, 2024

This lad and The Dragon would be brilliant business. They’d have half a season with Ange now and a full pre-season. Oooh, we’ll be cooking

fishhhandaricecake · Jan 9, 2024

Pochie said:
This lad and The Dragon would be brilliant business. They’d have half a season with Ange now and a full pre-season. Oooh, we’ll be cooking

Or we sign neither…

Misfit · Jan 9, 2024

In before Genoa put in a bid.

Nick-TopSpursMan · Jan 9, 2024

Even if we signed Kelly it doesn’t solve one of our biggest problems. He’s very much a LCB or LB and left footers have a huge problem playing on the wrong side defensively.

In squad terms we already have Davies doing a decent job as back up here but we have literally no RCB cover for Romero.

What we really need is a RCB who can also cover LCB if needed.

Snarfalicious · Jan 9, 2024

Nick-TopSpursMan said:
Even if we signed Kelly it doesn’t solve one of our biggest problems. He’s very much a LCB or LB and left footers have a huge problem playing on the wrong side defensively.

In squad terms we already have Davies doing a decent job as back up here but we have literally no RCB cover for Romero.

What we really need is a RCB who can also cover LCB if needed.

Sure, I think you make valid points, but we do need a LCB/LB option and I think we all kind of expected we wouldn’t be near the finished article as a squad by the end of this window.

If you can add players that you view as having long-term futures with the club, and tick the boxes you are looking for from a skillset POV, then you do what you need to in order to get them aboard. Maybe RCB has to wait until the summer, but we shouldn’t ignore LCB because we went for a RCB and it (maybe, probably) fell through.

Nick-TopSpursMan · Jan 9, 2024

Snarfalicious said:
Sure, I think you make valid points, but we do need a LCB/LB option and I think we all kind of expected we wouldn’t be near the finished article as a squad by the end of this window.

If you can add players that you view as having long-term futures with the club, and tick the boxes you are looking for from a skillset POV, then you do what you need to in order to get them aboard. Maybe RCB has to wait until the summer, but we shouldn’t ignore LCB because we went for a RCB and it (maybe, probably) fell through.

Yeah I take your point, I just think the lack of adequate RCB cover is going to cost us a fair few points for the rest of this season. It’s already cost us points as it is.

Snarfalicious · Jan 9, 2024

Nick-TopSpursMan said:
Yeah I take your point, I just think the lack of adequate RCB cover is going to cost us a fair few points for the rest of this season. It’s already cost us points as it is.

No doubt, it should be high up the list. I just don’t think you should cut off your nose to spite your face. Ignoring the need at LCB that has a favorable option because you consider RCB as the biggest need when there may not be a great option given it being the January window is a little shortsighted. Sure, our success this year has changed people’s opinion of what we should be fighting for, but I think the reality is we are very much a work in progress, so getting in guys now that will help us when the squad takes shape is going to prove savvy in the long run. That being said, we should definitely get Kelly and Dragusin in this window, if at all possible.

djhotspur · Jan 9, 2024

Soooo…. Lloyd Kelly anyone

dontcallme · Jan 9, 2024

djhotspur said:
Soooo…. Lloyd Kelly anyone

Always been our 1st choice.

Tractorspur · Jan 9, 2024

Lloyd Kelly when speaking to his uncle Matthew “tonight Matthew I’m going to be Radu Drăgușin”

BorjeSpurs · Jan 9, 2024

Nick-TopSpursMan said:
Yeah I take your point, I just think the lack of adequate RCB cover is going to cost us a fair few points for the rest of this season. It’s already cost us points as it is.

What do you think of Tosin at Fulham if Dragusin chooses Bayern? Doesn't come with the same fanfare as the Romanian but as a plan b solution before adding a new CB in the summer?

I can't say I've followed him closely but he is similar to Kelly in that he is English with 6 months left on his contract but with the benefit of being right footed.

Nick-TopSpursMan · Jan 9, 2024

BorjeSpurs said:
What do you think of Tosin at Fulham if Dragusin chooses Bayern? Doesn't come with the same fanfare as the Romanian but as a plan b solution before adding a new CB in the summer?

I can't say I've followed him closely but he is similar to Kelly in that he is English with 6 months left on his contract but with the benefit of being right footed.

He would probably be my emergency choice now yeah. He’s PL ready, he’s playing well and his data stacked up nicely in the summer.

The issue is I’m not sure he wanted to come here to be back up and he can sign on a free for anyone now for the summer.

worcestersauce · Jan 10, 2024

So it'll be interesting to see if we follow up our interest in Kelly now Dragusin is in the bag.

Spursmatty87 · Jan 10, 2024

worcestersauce said:
So it'll be interesting to see if we follow up our interest in Kelly now Dragusin is in the bag.

I’d imagine we’d wait for the summer we know Davies and Emerson can do a job at Cb so not totally desperate.

worcestersauce · Jan 10, 2024

Spursmatty87 said:
I’d imagine we’d wait for the summer we know Davies and Emerson can do a job at Cb so not totally desperate.

Probably but it would certainly show our intent to keep building.

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