Player Watch Player Watch: Guglielmo Vicario

Cornpattbuck · Jan 27, 2024

G Ron said:
Yep absolute classic - Silva and Foden took turns tactically fouling us when we started to break out from the press. After about 6 fouls he finally booked Silva then Udogie commits his first foul and gets booked straight away.

I thought the ref was shit to be fair, on multiple occasions blew for the foul when we had a decent advantage to play on from.

That Udogie one was really odd as the ref kind of belatedly got the card out rather than in the moment. He then didn't book Walker for doing exactly the same thing about two minutes later.

The goal was an awkward one, as I'd say Dias did everything to make it awkward and I think most other parts of the pitch it would be classed as obstruction but he didn't actively push him etc.

The only way Vicario could have shifted him though, would have probably led to a penalty. It's hard to move big fuckers who don't want to be moved...

Probably needed a team mate to step in and help, but I think our players back themselves to sort situations like that out.

Joshua shepherd · Jan 27, 2024

dude573 said:
It isn't a foul in my opinion. I'd feel very aggrieved if it went against us. I don't know why we didn't put a blocker in between them.

If that happened to a keeper like Martinez or Allison, they would get into a tussle with the attacker and make sure the ref sees it before the corner is taken. I love Vic and he is amazing, but he is still quite an inexperienced keeper at this level.

It happened to Allison the other day, against city, he collapsed to the floor like he’d been shot and from memory VAR overturned the goal.

it’s just one of those things, sometimes it’ll go for you and others it won’t, just another one of the massive inconsistencies within the game right now.

Shanks · Jan 27, 2024

dude573 said:
It isn't a foul in my opinion. I'd feel very aggrieved if it went against us. I don't know why we didn't put a blocker in between them.

If that happened to a keeper like Martinez or Allison, they would get into a tussle with the attacker and make sure the ref sees it before the corner is taken. I love Vic and he is amazing, but he is still quite an inexperienced keeper at this level.

Watched it back a few tines, not sure it is a foul either.

He should stand a step out, so he can create his space by puhing forward, stepping back so he can move more freely

chilespurs · Jan 27, 2024

Why do we allow our Keeper to be put under so much pressure on corners? What can we do do prevent it? Should Vicario be more aggressive or fall over at the slightest touch?

Stamford · Jan 27, 2024

Sometimes they're given sometimes not but our defending was poor

bbunc · Jan 27, 2024

It’s really inexcusable.

The keeper and defenders are allowed to pretty much do whatever they want to that guy to get him out of the way.

Vicario should plant the guy on the floor but really one of our defenders should already be doing that.

iddebu52 · Jan 27, 2024

Our defense should have taken care of that!!!

Dougal · Jan 27, 2024

If it wasn’t obvious to them before, it is now. Let’s see how they react. Truth is, most of those decisions, and weaker ones too, side with the keeper. They have for a while and they will continue to. They just picked last night to call it out. We need to use that to be better.

BorjeSpurs · Jan 27, 2024

We've been excellent at set pieces all season, defending and attacking.

City exploited our zonal marking setup to good effect yesterday.

Now the next challenge for Jedinak is how we can continue definding corners well, while also closing that loop hole that City found yesterday.

C1w8 · Jan 27, 2024

Shanks said:
Watched it back a few tines, not sure it is a foul either.

He should stand a step out, so he can create his space by puhing forward, stepping back so he can move more freely

Didnt think it was a foul either, the attacker is standing his ground. Usually the player is pushing or using arms, backs in too much at the very least, and he wasnt even motioning to do that.

Its awkward for vicario to deal with but either he or the defenders do need to deal with that and not leave the ball loose for a 2 yard tap in.

Im sure the team will address this as you can imagine upcoming opponents having taking note of that and trying their luck also.

C1w8 · Jan 27, 2024

agrdavidsfan said:
Honestly it’s a foul, when you play in goals the slightest nudges affect the way you can claim the ball if Vicario is stronger and pushes him out the way I guarantee it’s a pen

I can appreciate that of course its not easy to deal with, but its the same thing with contested headers, even shots. Its a contact sport and players are always giving each other nudges, at bit of a lean etc at key moments to put each other off but they are not given as fouls.

Yesterdays situation was difficult to deal with for vic sure, but didnt think dias did enough to be penalised for a foul, imo.

BorjeSpurs · Jan 27, 2024

mil1lion said:
It's always been a foul but they've always been soft ones. If they are consistent with it that's ok but they aren't. I genuinely think they allowed it because it was not long after the Luton/Burnley one. Like if they give a foul they're admitting that one wasn't the right call. we need to protect Vicario now those can be allowed and to stick someone on their keeper the other end. Kulusevski would be the ideal as he's great at holding off opponents and doesn't offer an aerial threat.

I think it's one of those that falls through the cracks with the current VAR setup.

The on field ref prefers to not interfere when there is a goal opportunity, when the ball hits the net he can just rely on his buddies in the control room.

Problem is that it is not enough for VAR to take away the goal if the ref gives it and it's not enough for VAR to give the goal if the ref doesn't.

I believe it is this 'system error' that is causing more goals of this nature to be given rather than a proactive change in how they interpret these situations.

thebenjamin · Jan 27, 2024

Said to my son in the first half they will score by fouling Vicario and getting away with it. They were fouling him from every dead ball and the officials did nothing all night. I suspect they analysed the ref's previous fixtures and saw he doesn't protect keepers and realised it was something they could exploit.

For all his beautiful football, Guardiola is a master of the dark arts. It took Bernardo Silva 4 yellow card offences to get booked. And you can bet Pep's constant mocking of the ref on the sidelines impacted him not disallowing the winner.

amathews3416 · Jan 27, 2024

Vicario will be a better keeper because of it. In Italy, that’s a foul 100% of the time. Always learning about the Premier League when you come in and the physicality refs allow. Guarantee Vic doesn’t allow himself to bullied again now that he knows the standard over here.

Monkey boy · Jan 27, 2024

amathews3416 said:
Vicario will be a better keeper because of it. In Italy, that’s a foul 100% of the time. Always learning about the Premier League when you come in and the physicality refs allow. Guarantee Vic doesn’t allow himself to bullied again now that he knows the standard over here.

well his next two opponents are probably the toughest he’ll face in terms of being bullied at set pieces as it’s really the only thing that either Brentford or Everton have

PCozzie · Jan 27, 2024

chilespurs said:
Why do we allow our Keeper to be put under so much pressure on corners? What can we do do prevent it? Should Vicario be more aggressive or fall over at the slightest touch?

I think we're going to have to address it, because other teams are going to watch that corner incident and try to replicate it. He'll be getting a lot of that low-level bumping, pushing and general obstruction that probably falls below a foul, but just impedes his movement enough.

SaKkA.kenchiku · Jan 27, 2024

It’s clear they targeted Vic on corners, he’s not big, he’s not going to out muscle big Centre backs. I didnt feel it was enough for a foul. I dont understand at this level we dont have a solution to it, like send in Romero and see if the cb is so happy barging Vic. That is of course over simplifying it but we should have another player protecting Vic. Great keeper but doesnt have the build to cope with someone like Dias no matter how much he try’s. It’s unfair to say he didn’t do well in that situation.

Shanks · Jan 27, 2024

Tbh its been happening a lot more this year woth all keepers, seeing quite a few close calls woth this, probably some tweak to the rules

spurs9 · Jan 27, 2024

Impspur1 said:
Sorry, Still think it was a goal. I’d be gutted if it was the other way and had been disallowed for us.

When City did the same to Liverpool and the goal was disallowed, Dermot Gallagher said "They say goalkeepers are over protected, but you only have to knock him slightly off balance and he has lost all stability, he can't catch the ball - he loses the ball and knocks him enough off balance to give a foul.

There was even less contact in the Liverpool incident (link to replay of it on Twitter below for those with access).

I'm fine with it not being a foul, but again, it's the inconsistency of VAR.

Pistols At Dawn · Jan 27, 2024

My issue is that’s Dias very clearly has no intention of trying for the ball. He sticks his bum out into Vic, rather than jumping straight up.

playing opponent instead of ball = foul

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