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Japhet

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Keepers have been a protected species in the modern game. Overly so on so many occasions. If that’s changing, great, but maybe let us know there’s been a rule change. Otherwise, that’s a foul, as clear as day. Just as it has been for years and years. I don’t understand this sudden change in mindset where some refs are going to let this sort of thing go. I’d bet without hesitation there will be similar incidents between now and the end of the season where a foul gets given. It’s bollocks. Standing your ground it one thing, backing into a keeper while he’s jumping is a completely different thing.

Harrison wasn't even backing in. He had his back to play and just shoved into Vicario before turning round if I remember right.
 

Misfit

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I remember keepers clattering players in the box in getting to the ball, their own and oppo players. Just allow that again.

A couple of knees between the shoulder blades will have players shying away from the duty.
 

Tucker

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Keepers have been a protected species in the modern game. Overly so on so many occasions. If that’s changing, great, but maybe let us know there’s been a rule change. Otherwise, that’s a foul, as clear as day. Just as it has been for years and years. I don’t understand this sudden change in mindset where some refs are going to let this sort of thing go. I’d bet without hesitation there will be similar incidents between now and the end of the season where a foul gets given. It’s bollocks. Standing your ground it one thing, backing into a keeper while he’s jumping is a completely different thing.
There were similar incidents in the same game that were given as a foul. But the discussion of if it’s a foul or not is pointless, the refs can’t be trusted to apply the laws consistently, so we must plan for this going forward. It’s a weakness that will continue to be exploited otherwise.
 

dannyo

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There were similar incidents in the same game that were given as a foul. But the discussion of if it’s a foul or not is pointless, the refs can’t be trusted to apply the laws consistently, so we must plan for this going forward. It’s a weakness that will continue to be exploited otherwise.
I completely agree with this. He’ll be targeted more and more now
 

Shanks

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May 11, 2005
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There were similar incidents in the same game that were given as a foul. But the discussion of if it’s a foul or not is pointless, the refs can’t be trusted to apply the laws consistently, so we must plan for this going forward. It’s a weakness that will continue to be exploited otherwise.
This 100%, im telling my son to find a way to stop it from happening, beat it yourself and it stops, solve the problem, i dont wanna hear about being fouled etc
 

skiba

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Easiest way to combat this shit is to start catching the ball. Teams will soon stop putting it under the bar if it becomes routine catching practice for Vic.

It’s also about optics, if a keeper goes up for a ball and flaps at it as Vic keeps doing it looks ‘weak’. Hopefully the penny dropped as he started coming for crosses and catching them second half.
 

Whazam

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Easiest way to combat this shit is to start catching the ball. Teams will soon stop putting it under the bar if it becomes routine catching practice for Vic.

It’s also about optics, if a keeper goes up for a ball and flaps at it as Vic keeps doing it looks ‘weak’. Hopefully the penny dropped as he started coming for crosses and catching them second half.
What do you mean? He would catch the ball if he could.
 

McFlash

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Oct 19, 2005
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Ive already discussed it at length.

Scroll up if you want to read.

Or don't if you don't want to of course.
Well yeah, but not anything that really makes any sense though?
There was something about players shielding the ball out of touch, which was not in any way similar to this situation but apart from that, I've not seen anything that makes any sense with regards to what the rules of the game actually are.

I've just seen the little red crosses of denial from you really, no actual engagement with anyone who's proved what you said to be incorrect.
Just because you don't know the rules, doesn't mean they don't exist.
 

McFlash

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Easiest way to combat this shit is to start catching the ball. Teams will soon stop putting it under the bar if it becomes routine catching practice for Vic.

It’s also about optics, if a keeper goes up for a ball and flaps at it as Vic keeps doing it looks ‘weak’. Hopefully the penny dropped as he started coming for crosses and catching them second half.
How's he supposed to catch the ball when there's a player stopping him from even getting near to it?

Yeah, it might be fair criticism to say that he doesn't catch as much as he could but that can also be levelled at pretty much any keeper nowadays.

It has nothing to do with the situation at hand though.
 

robotsonic

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Makes me more cross every time I see this clip. Could not be more of a foul. They weren't even sly about what they were doing in rotating who was doing it. Just sitting Harrison on him, shoving him about with no need to worry about where the ball was whatsoever. Pathetic, but its worked.

Makes me just as cross after City, and after this was happening from the outset, why we have not looked at it and given him some protection, as if we don't have 5-6 players with the body to get in there and just shove Harrison out of it. Nobody has even tried. Bizarre oversight to be honest, and I'll be a bit worried if we see this happen again with no help given.
 

skiba

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How's he supposed to catch the ball when there's a player stopping him from even getting near to it?

Yeah, it might be fair criticism to say that he doesn't catch as much as he could but that can also be levelled at pretty much any keeper nowadays.

It has nothing to do with the situation at hand though.
I just feel the reason he is being targeted is because he doesn’t punch or catch the ball and regularly ends up palming it back into the six yard box.

I’m just asking myself why teams are doing this to us and being successful whilst pretty much every other goalkeeper seems to be able to cope.

He looked way more proactive in the second half and caught a lot of the balls and it made a difference IMO.
 

spurs9

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Its a foul, wothout a doubt.

Vic can do more to counter these though as we have seen th3se let go recently, but i dont think it will be lookrd at until it hsppens to liverpool or arsenal as they bitch about any bad decision.
It did happen to Liverpool v City in November, the difference is the goal was disallowed.

There was even debate over whether Akanji even touched Alisson but not many people disputing it being a foul if he did.
 

g_harry

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Sep 27, 2005
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Thanks for posting Blake.

This makes it very clear, zero attempt to play the ball and pushes Vicario into the net.

Crazy that the goal was given.
When see it again, I might of been harsh on Big Vic. But still think he needed to be stronger, but goal should been ruled out just like the one on Allison at City.
 

Sp3akerboxxx

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Well yeah, but not anything that really makes any sense though?
There was something about players shielding the ball out of touch, which was not in any way similar to this situation but apart from that, I've not seen anything that makes any sense with regards to what the rules of the game actually are.

I've just seen the little red crosses of denial from you really, no actual engagement with anyone who's proved what you said to be incorrect.
Just because you don't know the rules, doesn't mean they don't exist.
Ok
 

Pistols At Dawn

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My question for all those “Vic needs to be stronger” folks: What exactly would you have him do?

If he shoves Harrison away with any actual force, he risks giving away a penalty.

IMHO there needs to be clarity on the rules. How “entitled” is a keeper to come claim a ball that is well within reach? If the answer is “not at all,” then to what lengths can the keeper go to get the ball when being impeded by an opposing player WHO HAS NO INTENTION OF PLAYING THE BALL!?!”
 

FuturistiC123

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My question for all those “Vic needs to be stronger” folks: What exactly would you have him do?

If he shoves Harrison away with any actual force, he risks giving away a penalty.

IMHO there needs to be clarity on the rules. How “entitled” is a keeper to come claim a ball that is well within reach? If the answer is “not at all,” then to what lengths can the keeper go to get the ball when being impeded by an opposing player WHO HAS NO INTENTION OF PLAYING THE BALL!?!”
Vic has to find a way to deal with it, and we have to help him. His frame is not particularly robust, and Everton cleverly used a smaller player to unsettle him. Forster would have found it easier to stand his ground simply because he is a unit. Its' a problem we need to address, because you know where Dunk will be standing next weekend.
 
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