Harry Kane

dontcallme · Feb 14, 2024

I don't agree that he deserves to win trophies. He's a great player who has broken many goalscoring records. He'll be remembered as a great.

But he's been bought by Bayern to help them in the big matches. They played away to the team that was top and he barely touched the ball as they were soundly beaten.

I'd be happy for him to win a trophy, but I don't think he deserves one anymore than anyone else.

alfie103 · Feb 14, 2024

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:
I don't understand the finding it funny if he doesn't win a trophy.

He gave us years and left.fot a club that's not a rival.

Sure if he had gone to another premier league team I may have found it funny, but a player of his quality deserves to win some trophies.

Honestly, Tottenham is like a cult for some on here.

Wearegoingtowintheleague · Feb 14, 2024

alfie103 said:
Honestly, Tottenham is like a cult for some on here.

In what way?

Wearegoingtowintheleague · Feb 14, 2024

dontcallme said:
I'd be happy for him to win a trophy, but I don't think he deserves one anymore than anyone else.

Doesn't deserve a trophy more than say Ndombele?

I'll have to disagree. Harry wasn't the most talented player, but through hard work, determination and staying after training to continue working on his game he has become one of the best strikers in the world. IMHO I certainly feel he is deserving of a trophy or two at the end of his career

dontcallme · Feb 14, 2024

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:
Doesn't deserve a trophy more than say Ndombele?

I'll have to disagree. Harry wasn't the most talented player, but through hard work, determination and staying after training to continue working on his game he has become one of the best strikers in the world. IMHO I certainly feel he is deserving of a trophy or two at the end of his career

And he's got plenty of accolades, wealth and fame as a result of that hard work.

He's also had plenty of chances to be influential in a big match to help his team win a trophy, he's never stepped up to do so.

Guernman · Feb 14, 2024

Of course Harry deserves to win trophies and that's why he will. He is an elite striker who has dedicated his life to becoming the best player he can become. Through his incredible professionalism and singular intent he has broken record after record. He very much earned his move to Bayern and there he will win silverware.

He will just have to wait another season in all likelihood. I don't find it funny. But it is deliciously ironic though.

Bayern were woeful against Leverkusen and Nadelsmann must have been relishing watching the match from the stands to witness the complete mess that Tuchel has created in his wake. Harry barely touched the ball, but it is hard to lay the blame at his feet, it is up to the team to get some control over the game and generate chances for him. It's not like he hasn't shown he will finish them.

Let's see if they can make a better show of it in the Champions League. In the meantime, Harry will have to wait until next season for his trophy, but that's no bad thing really. It might actually mean a little bit more if it isn't the sure thing we all expected.

Personally, I will be extremely happy for Harry when he can finally lift a cup, but I'll be delighted for Leverkusen if they can pull off a spectacular Bundesliga triumph this season.

Gassin's finest · Feb 14, 2024

alfie103 said:
Honestly, Tottenham is like a cult for some on here.

Well... that's kind of the definition of ~~football~~ anything fandom...

jay2040 · Feb 14, 2024

McFlash said:
We gave Kane too much, to try to keep him here and happy and it turned out detrimental to the club.
Levy said that he'd listened to the voices when it came to hiring a "win now" manager with both Jose and Conte and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Kane was one of the loudest (along with us as fans of course).

I think we pandered far too much to try to keep Kane happy. From playing him all the time, even when not properly fit like the CL final, to listening to what he wanted manager wise.

Then he fucked off anyway so it was all for nothing.
Hope we've learnt our lesson there.

I thought Levy made all the decisions at the club. Hardly Kane's fault if the squad was not refreshed or if other players were shit.

WorcesterTHFC · Feb 14, 2024

kungfujoe98 said:
Kane, despite being the best English striker since at least Greaves, doesn’t deserve to win trophies. And that’s simply because football’s a team sport and trophies are won by teams.

Being part of a team that’s good enough to get over the line and win a trophy usually requires you to be a very good player, but there are loads of good and great players who hardly got a sniff of one, and plenty of examples of relatively ordinary players who were part of trophy-winning teams.

Personally, I think if Harry had employed an actual agent, he’d have ended up at Man City and won the lot and it would have felt weird, but I’d have shrugged and largely ignored it. I’ll find it amusing if he wins nothing at Bayern this season. But they’ll win something the season after or after that and fair play to him if he’s part of it. Unless he comes back to Spurs (which I don’t see happening), the only Kane trophy that I’ll really feel anything about is if he’s able to lift something in an England shirt.

The athletes who should be defined by the number of trophies/medals they win are the ones in solo sports.

McFlash · Feb 14, 2024

jay2040 said:
I thought Levy made all the decisions at the club. Hardly Kane's fault if the squad was not refreshed or if other players were shit.

I didn't say that anything was his fault but his desperation for a trophy that eventually took him to Germany was well known by everyone, so I'm pretty sure Levy would have had it on his mind when changing tack and going for the likes of Jose and Conte.

Even if, as you say, the squad wasn't refreshed and the players were shit, we still made it to a few finals and lost them all, while Kane was pretty anonymous.
He's got to shoulder some of the blame for that, as our 'talisman striker'.

Levy, the club and the fans were desperate to keep Kane here and happy but with hindsight, maybe that wasn't the best thing to do.

At the time, I was all for making him stay this season and trying to prove to him that he could win things with Spurs, even if that meant he left for nothing in the end.
Now I'm pleased that we got 100m for him because of what we've managed to do with it (and ffp).

As with nearly everything in football, it's never black and white.

Wearegoingtowintheleague · Feb 14, 2024

kungfujoe98 said:
Kane, despite being the best English striker since at least Greaves, doesn’t deserve to win trophies. And that’s simply because football’s a team sport and trophies are won by teams.

Being part of a team that’s good enough to get over the line and win a trophy usually requires you to be a very good player, but there are loads of good and great players who hardly got a sniff of one, and plenty of examples of relatively ordinary players who were part of trophy-winning teams.

Personally, I think if Harry had employed an actual agent, he’d have ended up at Man City and won the lot and it would have felt weird, but I’d have shrugged and largely ignored it. I’ll find it amusing if he wins nothing at Bayern this season. But they’ll win something the season after or after that and fair play to him if he’s part of it. Unless he comes back to Spurs (which I don’t see happening), the only Kane trophy that I’ll really feel anything about is if he’s able to lift something in an England shirt.

It's a fair argument and the same argument that when it comes from the media. (That our star players need to leave to win trophies) has loads of fans throwing their toys out the pram.

Bluto Blutarsky · Feb 14, 2024

Guernman said:
Of course Harry deserves to win trophies

We giving out participation trophies now?

Of course he does not "deserve to win" - at least not more than any other player competing at this level.

Players win trophies - they are not entitled to them by virtue of being a good player.

Wearegoingtowintheleague · Feb 14, 2024

Trix said:
He doesn't "deserve" anything. He has to go out and take them. The true elite drag their teams to trophies even when they aren't playing well. Thus far Harry does the opposite when on the biggest stage and with the trophy in sight.

I'm intrigued to know what players you would call elite?

Ronaldo? Messi?

What about a keeper who makes multiple world class saves but the team still lose as the outfield players create zero chances. Does that mean he can't be truly elite?

daryl · Feb 14, 2024

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:
I'm intrigued to know what players you would call elite?

Ronaldo? Messi?

What about a keeper who makes multiple world class saves but the team still lose as the outfield players create zero chances. Does that mean he can't be truly elite?

It means he needs to get a new club

ItsBoris · Feb 14, 2024

Fergus said:
Sad to say, but I think Mourinho could get a tune out of Bayern with Sané and Kane as his counter-attackers being fed from a back-8.

He would do really well with Bayern. I don't think he speaks German though so why would he go there

longtimespur · Feb 14, 2024

Harry misses his first chance. Skied it over the bar.

Trix · Feb 14, 2024

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:
I'm intrigued to know what players you would call elite?

Ronaldo? Messi?

What about a keeper who makes multiple world class saves but the team still lose as the outfield players create zero chances. Does that mean he can't be truly elite?

Yeah, Ronaldo, Messi. I'd also include the likes of Gerrard, Zlatan Rooney, Zidane, Bale, Maradona, Henry etc. players that in those big moments rise up and drag their teams to victory in the biggest games even when the team is not quite on it.

Don't get me wrong I think Harry is world class and the best number 9 in the game right now, he's just not Elite. That title for me is reserved for those that go above and beyond world class when it really and trully matters.

Thenewcat · Feb 14, 2024

To watch Bayern at the moment and conclude their problem is Harry Kane is just weird. I agree some players can raise their game in big moments but you can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear and Bayern are an absolute mess who are only competitive because of Kane, just like spurs last year. He has single handedly dragged teams upwards, sadly for him it’s been from too low a starting point. He’s elite

dontcallme · Feb 14, 2024

Thenewcat said:
To watch Bayern at the moment and conclude their problem is Harry Kane is just weird. I agree some players can raise their game in big moments but you can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear and Bayern are an absolute mess who are only competitive because of Kane, just like spurs last year. He has single handedly dragged teams upwards, sadly for him it’s been from too low a starting point. He’s elite

I don't think anybody has said he's the problem.

I read some of the German media reports from the weekend and the negative ones seemed to think that he hasn't turned up for the big moments.

JeremyPaxton · Feb 14, 2024

Trix said:
Yeah, Ronaldo, Messi. I'd also include the likes of Gerrard, Zlatan Rooney, Zidane, Bale, Maradona, Henry etc. players that in those big moments rise up and drag their teams to victory in the biggest games even when the team is not quite on it.

Don't get me wrong I think Harry is world class and the best number 9 in the game right now, he's just not Elite. That title for me is reserved for those that go above and beyond world class when it really and trully matters.

I think @Trix is spot on: if you watched Messi in some World Cup games in Qatar, there were moments you could clearly see him realise his teammates weren't up to the challenge in front of them and he found some magic extra gear to drag his lot over the line.
Harry is an incredible player, but as a Spurs & England fan I've never seen him do that in a huge game (I was in Madrid in 2019, Moscow in 2018 as well as the Qatar QF vs France in Al Bayt '22). Doesn't make him a lesser player, but IMO it's the dividing line being Elite or not.

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