What Our Opponents' Fans Are Saying About Us 23/24

Trix · Mar 13, 2024

Japhet said:
I'd much rather listen to ex managers than ex players. At least managers have a more holistic view of the game whereas ex players are usually much more biased and only see the game from their own limited perspective. Even Mourinho was tolerable as a pundit which is quite remarkable.

Jose is an excellent pundit as is Wenger. Didn't like them as managers, but as pundits explaining the game I could listen to both of them for hours.

DiscoD1882 · Mar 13, 2024

dirtyh said:
Agbonlahor makes Benny from crossroads look like a Nobel prize winning physicist

Which of course he was….

Tafspur · Mar 13, 2024

Proof of the pudding etc..........

Are Villa going to appeal the Red?

Hazelton · Mar 13, 2024

dirtyh said:
Agbonlahor makes Benny from crossroads look like a Nobel prize winning physicist

Agbonlahor makes Benny from Top Cat look like a Nobel Prize winning physicist.

easley91 · Mar 13, 2024

Hazelton said:
Agbonlahor makes Benny from Top Cat look like a Nobel Prize winning physicist.

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Nayim60yards · Mar 13, 2024

dirtyh said:
Agbonlahor makes Benny from crossroads look like a Nobel prize winning physicist

You're showing your age here dirtyh....and mine as well for knowing that you are showing yours!

leffe186 · Mar 13, 2024

Thenewcat said:
Was reading a f365 piece which made the interesting point that spurs have more PL points than Chelsea or Man U over the last decade, and Chelsea in 6th have 175 points more than West Ham in 7th over that period. So next time a fan of West Ham, Newcastle, Everton or Villa say they are as big as us and there isn’t a big 6, tell them to shove that where the sun doesn’t shine.

Those three clubs in particular are making a point of considering us one of the “Big Six” right now because of FFP (sorry FSR or whatever it is now). For years they pretended we weren’t, now they are happy to say we are because we’re not letting them spend anything they want.

Danny1 said:
Agbonlahor is quite possibly the dumbest person on tv and radio. Contradicts himself on a daily basis. I specifically remember him saying that Bissouma definitely deserved his red card against Forest despite not really making contact, yet doesn’t believe McGinn was red despite almost putting Udogie into the stands.

The man is an imbecile.

My wife spent a fair time backstage at Villa in the 2000s. She herself is searingly intelligent, but she considers Agbonlahor to be one of the dumbest human beings she has ever met.

Japhet said:
I'd much rather listen to ex managers than ex players. At least managers have a more holistic view of the game whereas ex players are usually much more biased and only see the game from their own limited perspective. Even Mourinho was tolerable as a pundit which is quite remarkable.

Yeah me too. They tend to have a quicker and more incisive view on what’s happening on the pitch.

I actually think the post-match analysis on MOTD and others has been excellent over the last year or two. It’s just that the immediate analysis from colour commentators or pundits is often lacking in insight and frankly bad. Then you factor in inherent biases that are often incredibly transparent, and casting decisions that are horribly one-eyed like the choice of pundits for the Arsenal-Spurs WSL game.

Nayim60yards · Mar 13, 2024

leffe186 said:
I actually think the post-match analysis on MOTD and others has been excellent over the last year or two. It’s just that the immediate analysis from colour commentators or pundits is often lacking in insight and frankly bad. Then you factor in inherent biases that are often incredibly transparent, and casting decisions that are horribly one-eyed like the choice of pundits for the Arsenal-Spurs WSL game.

This reads dubiously. I hope it doesn't mean what it looks like it means.

easley91 · Mar 13, 2024

Nayim60yards said:
This reads dubiously. I hope it doesn't mean what it looks like it means.

You referring to colour commentator? It's a known term within American sports I believe, at least within the wrestling world it's heavily used rightly or wrongly.

Japhet · Mar 13, 2024

easley91 said:
You referring to colour commentator? It's a known term within American sports I believe, at least within the wrestling world it's heavily used rightly or wrongly.

What does it mean?

Nayim60yards · Mar 13, 2024

easley91 said:
You referring to colour commentator? It's a known term within American sports I believe, at least within the wrestling world it's heavily used rightly or wrongly.

Yes, in the context of speaking about Gabby Agbonlahor it reads very dubiously.

RuskyM · Mar 13, 2024

Japhet said:
I'd much rather listen to ex managers than ex players. At least managers have a more holistic view of the game whereas ex players are usually much more biased and only see the game from their own limited perspective. Even Mourinho was tolerable as a pundit which is quite remarkable.

There's that thing of the best managers often being relatively limited players, because they know their limitations and how to make up for them with their teams. Most footballers don't think too heavily about football: they're just good at it and usually always have been. It's why so many footballing autobiographies are really boring - how can you give the inside story of what makes you unique if it's just how your life has been? For every player who can offer genuine insight (which is why Carragher and Neville are still the best), there's a truckload who either coast on charm or are just a name we recognise. It's strange though: Gary O'Neil was perfectly fine as a player, but he both spoke tremendously and can clearly connect with people: Paul Scholes is one of the most technically adept and successful players England has ever produced and he's a horrendous pundit.

Oh Teddy Teddy · Mar 13, 2024

Nayim60yards said:
This reads dubiously. I hope it doesn't mean what it looks like it means.

It doesn't.

al_pacino · Mar 13, 2024

Japhet said:
What does it mean?

My guess. Excuse the American dictionary definition.

give color to (something)
1. To add flourish or provide an interesting accompaniment to something.

So the colour commentator is providing that ^^

Aleks · Mar 13, 2024

Japhet said:
What does it mean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_commentator#:~:text=A color commentator or expert,the English-speaking world

Thenewcat · Mar 13, 2024

Nayim60yards said:
This reads dubiously. I hope it doesn't mean what it looks like it means.

Colour commentators is a common phrase that just means not the main guy doing the play by play but the (usually ex pro) person chipping in. They add colour. It definitely doesn’t mean what you think it means

Nayim60yards · Mar 13, 2024

Thank you for the info guys. I have learned a new term. I thought the term must be something I was unaware of and that is why I didn't go after the poster but sought clarification.

leffe186 · Mar 13, 2024

Nayim60yards said:
This reads dubiously. I hope it doesn't mean what it looks like it means.

It’s what the guys above said. I’ve been living in the US for 15 years

. You have the commentator (Barry Davies, John Motson, whoever) constantly telling you what’s happening and then a “colour commentator” (typically a retired pro - Alan Smith, Chris Sutton) who’s supposed to chip in from time to time with insight or enthusiasm.

It’s great when it’s somebody with true insight (Hoddle is decent at this) or infectious and universal enthusiasm (Ian Wright it great at this). It’s terrible when it’s somebody just mouthing platitudes or pre-prepared sound bites, or somebody whose bias is transparent (Neville).

ExpatFan · Mar 13, 2024

Nayim60yards said:
This reads dubiously. I hope it doesn't mean what it looks like it means.

A bit of "grievance archaeology" there, methinks.

Timbo Tottenham · Mar 13, 2024

ExpatFan said:
A bit of "grievance archaeology" there, methinks.

Eh?

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