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alfie103

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That's again not what he is saying. It's about quality not financial cost and the two don't always equate as we all should be very aware of by now. Ange clearly understands this and it's why he keeps saying he doesn't care about the financials the CL bring in. It's not going to define his team.

But the financial cost is a fairly good indicator of the quality of the player. You are right, it isn't always but there is a reason the clubs who have spent the most money are generally the ones who win the most trophies.
 

Yid-ol

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But the financial cost is a fairly good indicator of the quality of the player. You are right, it isn't always but there is a reason the clubs who have spent the most money are generally the ones who win the most trophies.
No, the cost of the player is determined by the value of said player to owing club, and the desire of the buying club to want said player, along with contract length and a few other factors (one being ability)

Values of players being sold for these days holds very little in the debate for how good they are.

One example is how much Raya was going to cost us (over 40 million, and will still cost arsenal 30 million?) to how much we got Vicario for (under 20 million). Raya isn't double the player Vicario is, and I feel most of us will say Vicario is the better of the 2.
 

Trix

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But the financial cost is a fairly good indicator of the quality of the player. You are right, it isn't always but there is a reason the clubs who have spent the most money are generally the ones who win the most trophies.
Of course but building a stadium the size of the Isle Of White still wouldn't see us competing financially with the sovereign wealth fund that is Man City. As you are fully aware I'm not exactly Levy's biggest fan, so this isn't me blindly defending him, but unless he sells up to a Middle Eastern oil rich state surely you understand that we have to do things differently?
 

Wick3d

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Of course but building a stadium the size of the Isle Of White still wouldn't see us competing financially with the sovereign wealth fund that is Man City. As you are fully aware I'm not exactly Levy's biggest fan, so this isn't me blindly defending him, but unless he sells up to a Middle Eastern oil rich state surely you understand that we have to do things differently?
No matter how loudly/calmly you say this, people will default to SPEND THE MONEY. I just can't be bothered anymore :ROFLMAO:
 

alfie103

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Of course but building a stadium the size of the Isle of white still wouldn't see us competing financially with the sovereign wealth fund that is Man City. As you are fully aware I'm not exactly Levy's biggest fan, but unless he sells up to a Middle Eastern oil rich state, surely you understand that we have to do things differently?

That is true and I don't expect us to compete with Man City financially but surely we can compete with Arsenal and Liverpool?
 

alfie103

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No matter how loudly/calmly you say this, people will default to SPEND THE MONEY. I just can't be bothered anymore :ROFLMAO:

Actually trying to win a trophy rather than chasing qualification for competitions with the most prize money would be a start
 

Trix

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That is true and I don't expect us to compete with Man City financially but surely we can compete with Arsenal and Liverpool?

If we can't do what Arsenal and Liverpool do, why did we build the stadium and put ourselves in a huge amount of debt if we knew we wouldn't be able to compete?
You understand that Arsenal and Liverpool are bigger clubs than we are both historically and the size of fan base. You have to remember that although the stadium has increased our spending power they had one hell of a head start. Levy has certainly bolloxed things up over the last 4-5 years but we seem to be back on the right track. Now it's about reeling them in over the next season or so, which I think we will do. We don't need to buy £100mil players to do that, we need to stick with the right manager and give him the tools he needs and players he wants, be they £5mil or £50mil players is completely irrelevant.
 

Legacy

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But the financial cost is a fairly good indicator of the quality of the player. You are right, it isn't always but there is a reason the clubs who have spent the most money are generally the ones who win the most trophies.
What are the biggest transfer fees in Premier League history?

10. Jadon Sancho - €85m (from Dortmund to Man Utd, 2021)
9. Harry Maguire - €87m (from Leicester City to Man Utd, 2019)
8. Josko Gvardiol - €90m (from RB Leipzig to Man City, 2023)
7. Antony - €95m (from Ajax to Man Utd, 2022)
6. Paul Pogba - €105m (from Juventus to Man Utd, 2016)
5. Romelu Lukaku - €113m (from Inter to Chelsea, 2021)
4. Moises Caicedo - €116m (from Brighton to Chelsea, 2023)
3. Declan Rice - €116.6m (from West Ham to Arsenal, 2023)
2. Jack Grealish - €117.5m (from Aston Villa to Man City, 2021)
1. Enzo Fernandez - €121m (from Benfica to Chelsea, 2023)

 

Rosco1984

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So we could afford to buy £100 million players if we wanted to and the reason we don't is because Ange doesn't want to?
how many huge money signings are actually succesful I would say for every 1 that works there's 3 that fail miserably with the pressure and or the being set for life and not needing to try anymore that comes with it. I dont get how people can watch Micky, Maddsion, Udogie, Son week in week out and have witnessed Ndombele and Lo celso who cost far more and still think big money = better signings.
 

Rosco1984

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What are the biggest transfer fees in Premier League history?

10. Jadon Sancho - €85m (from Dortmund to Man Utd, 2021)
9. Harry Maguire - €87m (from Leicester City to Man Utd, 2019)
8. Josko Gvardiol - €90m (from RB Leipzig to Man City, 2023)
7. Antony - €95m (from Ajax to Man Utd, 2022)
6. Paul Pogba - €105m (from Juventus to Man Utd, 2016)
5. Romelu Lukaku - €113m (from Inter to Chelsea, 2021)
4. Moises Caicedo - €116m (from Brighton to Chelsea, 2023)
3. Declan Rice - €116.6m (from West Ham to Arsenal, 2023)
2. Jack Grealish - €117.5m (from Aston Villa to Man City, 2021)
1. Enzo Fernandez - €121m (from Benfica to Chelsea, 2023)

one of them is worth the money out of the top 10 yet people still scream for us to spend 100m on the next instgram sensation.
 

CantSmileWithoutYou

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Of course but building a stadium the size of the Isle Of White still wouldn't see us competing financially with the sovereign wealth fund that is Man City. As you are fully aware I'm not exactly Levy's biggest fan, so this isn't me blindly defending him, but unless he sells up to a Middle Eastern oil rich state surely you understand that we have to do things differently?
*Wight
 

stonecolddeanaustin

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I don't understand the £72m annual depreciation amount. Say the total stadium build project cost was £1.4bill (I think it was less?), are they trying to claim it'll be worth nothing after 20 years? Is it overestimated to lower taxable profits or something? Or will they reduce the amount after x number of years?
 

SirHarryHotspur

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No mention of Spurs Women in all those financials from Rambling Swiss Rumpo, they have the chance this weekend to contribute a little something towards the losses that the Women's team make in the Spurs accounts, win the semi and it's worth £160,000 , win the final £430,000 , lose £108,000.
 

Stamford

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one of them is worth the money out of the top 10 yet people still scream for us to spend 100m on the next instgram sensation.

There is a middle ground though. We arent going to keep unearthing VDV's every summer. If we want to win and challenge every once and awhile it would be great to go and spend on quality thats proven itself in the league. Like a Virgil or even trossard etc.
 

Trix

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There is a middle ground though. We arent going to keep unearthing VDV's every summer. If we want to win and challenge every once and awhile it would be great to go and spend on quality thats proven itself in the league. Like a Virgil or even trossard etc.
Or a James Madison?
 

Stamford

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Or a James Madison?

For sure. If we bought one of those for 40/50 a year then all good, but he was coming from a relegated side. I'm no expert but there may come a time we need a player who isn't so easy to extract from their club
 

robotsonic

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For sure. If we bought one of those for 40/50 a year then all good, but he was coming from a relegated side. I'm no expert but there may come a time we need a player who isn't so easy to extract from their club
Bissouma, Richarlison, Brennan Johnson...

We are doing it
 
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