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  1. Cudicini

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  2. Walker

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  3. King

    2.0%
  4. Gallas

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  5. Assou-Ekotto

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  6. Lennon

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  7. Parker

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  8. Modric

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  9. Bale

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  10. Van Der Vaart

    10.9%
  11. Adebayor

    9.9%
  12. Defoe

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  13. Sandro

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  1. Conando

    Conando Active Member

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    I think he is as good as we think he is, just not as good as he does!
     
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  2. AnotherSpursFan

    AnotherSpursFan Member

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    Modric wasn't poor. defensively/offensively. The fact that he had submitted for transfer clouded people's view/judgement.

    THe only prick who is poor defensively /offensively is Gareth "i don't need to defend" Bale. F**K u BALE
     
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  3. garyhopkins

    garyhopkins Well-Known Member

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    Cudicini 5
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    Bale 6
    Lennon 5.5
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    Defoe 3
     
  4. Blake Griffin

    Blake Griffin Well-Known Member

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    king has ramires, king gets attracted to the ball after modric makes no effort to follow mata, benny tried to make up for king leaving his position and forgetting about his man but couldn't cover in time.
     
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  5. Bus-Conductor

    Bus-Conductor SC Supporter

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    Whilst Walker plays them both onside.
     
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  6. OmarsComing

    OmarsComing Mentally Disturbed Individual!

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    Modric was a disgrace yesterday and has been for a few months. All the people saying that it was Benny's fault, see above.

    We were still in the game before Harry had a panic attack and brought on his love child, etc...Zzz...
     
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  7. phillipjpalmer

    phillipjpalmer Active Member

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    I couldnt believe some of the grief benny got for this goal. The blame lies with Modric and Walker.

    Modric - bypassed in midfield easily (not for the first time in the match)
    Walker - didnt look across the back line.
     
  8. Bus-Conductor

    Bus-Conductor SC Supporter

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    Defoe coming on wasn't a turning point, it was just the final nail in a tactical coffin. Even at 2-1 down we weren't getting hold of the game and Chelsea were looking far more composed and coherent than us. At no point in that game were we ever in control, and the whole second half we were insipid and poor.

    Modric's lethargic effort to close down was endemic of the whole game. I picked out a couple of instances in the Chelsea away game a couple of weeks ago when he did exactly the same and allowed Chelsea time to pick dangerous passes.

    This is about coaching as much as anything else. Modric is not being taught what he should be doing. As for Bale, he's the worst. I remember one attack when Chelsea ended up in our box and Ekotto had been caught out, the attack had petered out by the time Bale decided to amble back and offer token assistance.
     
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  9. Bus-Conductor

    Bus-Conductor SC Supporter

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    And before everyone absolves BAE completely, part of being a good defender is reading the way the game moves and covering those moves.

    There was also an incident in the second half where Ekotto dived in and sold himself allowing Chelsea to advance in space, and it wasn't until Kalou (I think) slowed down that Ekotto decided to sprint to try and retrieve the situation instead of jog. Sprinting should have been the default mode when you have just sold your colleagues down the swany.
     
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  10. sloth

    sloth Well-Known Member

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    Don't want to particularly defend any of them, but you've all got this one wrong o_O. Lampard starts with the ball in Blake's first screen-shot, Modric closes him down, but Mata's drifted into a little pocket and get's picked out with a simple ball. Simultaneous to this Walker's tracked Drogba's run which is just as well because Lampard was clearly considering playing that diagonal to him (see first pic) of course Walker had to get goal-side because otherwise Drogba takes it down and bang it's another goal. In the end, as I said, Lampard chooses the simple ball to Mata, Modric is taken out of the game, and so King gets drawn out of defence to close Mata down leaving Ramires free to make the run which BAE tries to and fails to track properly (not his fault as it wasn't his man), Ramires is picked out, and it's a simple goal.

    The thing that's glaringly obvious to me there is that Chelsea had an extra man in CM, it was piss easy for Mata to find space in that dangerous area of the pitch. If there's any individual fault to be apportioned it's that Gallas wasn't marking anyone, but King had Ramires, but King is the one that left his man while Gallas marked space. It should have been Gallas closing Mata down in other words.
     
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  11. hughy

    hughy I'm SUPER cereal.

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    Absolute bollocks. He's been fucking awful for about the last 2 months. Only Harry knows why he still has this free pass to be in the starting line-up for every single game. I'd say he's gone from being our most valuable player at the end of last season/beginning of this to being about 4th or 5th in line after VDV, Ade, Parker and Bale. I know you might disagree with Bale, but at least he still has the ability to change a game with raw pace, Modric has shown nothing recently. Fuck all. Not worthy of starting our next game, or any after that untill he bucks up his fucking ideas.
     
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  12. Damian99

    Damian99 Well-Known Member

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    Just looking at those still shots, shows how shocking our defending is at times. The first picture isn't a bad line, except for Benny. He really should be further tucked round with King. You shouldn't have gaping gaps for players to run in between CB and Full Back. As play unfolds it's just woeful all round with Walker getting himself so deep it's untrue.
     
  13. Pat Rice Spurs fan

    Pat Rice Spurs fan You're a tiger!

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    Biggest issue with that goal was no Bale. He made no effort to get back and we didn't have anyone else covering. Defoe's there but you can't expect him to really do anything, right?
    So no Bale causes Modric to come across leaving a huge gap in the middle.
    King tries to fill that gap and challenge Mata.
    Gallas and Benny are too slow filling the gap and walker is playing everyone onside whilst thinking he's covering them - naive but nothing more.
     
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  14. jonathanhotspur

    jonathanhotspur Loose Cannon

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    There should be two banks of four plainly visible in the first frame. There aren't. There is far too much space in front of our defence and there is a gaping chasm right down the middle of the park. We've seen this over and over this season.

    Bale is too high up the pitch and Chelsea create an overload as Modric gets caught in a 2v1.
     
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  15. Bus-Conductor

    Bus-Conductor SC Supporter

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    You're right. It's a disgusting passage of play. Everyone is lethargically ambling around, but if you look on 76.13 Lampard appears then 76.18 Bosingwa comes into shot, making a move down the line, finally ten seconds later at 76.28 Bale finally walks very slowly into shot, completely ambivalent to the danger posed by the overlap Bosingwa, and the fact that his team mates were getting outnumbered.

    Defoe, Modric and Ekotto all fucking amble around with no intent to actually close down, King clearly points, indicating to Ekotto to pick up Ramires, Ekotto doesn't do it properly. But Bale's lack of effort is fucking criminal. The **** wants a rocket up his arse.
     
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  16. jonathanhotspur

    jonathanhotspur Loose Cannon

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    Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

    I have to say-I think this is a bizarre interpretation, sloth. How you manage to come to the conclusion that holding the defensive line in that passage of play is a mug's game and that Walker was actually doing the right thing is beyond me.
     
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  17. jonathanhotspur

    jonathanhotspur Loose Cannon

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    What on earth was Ekotto playing at when Kalou picked Walker's pocket inside their half and tried to play Mata in? He was racing back towards goal, looking over his shoulder at Mata, got as far as our box and then apparently decided that the thing to do was to try to play offside, leaving Mata free to stroll in behind him? If Kalou hadn't overhit that pass, we could have been in deep shit.
     
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  18. Pat Rice Spurs fan

    Pat Rice Spurs fan You're a tiger!

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    Gallas should have come across and taken Ramires from King and King correctly stepped up to challange Mata.

    Something else not mentioned so far but why is Parker so far up field and out to the right?
    I'm not sure of the build up to the goal, prior to these photos but wasn't this following an attack down our left/centre channel that Chelsea won the ball and countered???
    I don't want to blame the guy and he can't be everywhere but shouldn't his main priority be to sit and provide cover????
     
  19. sloth

    sloth Well-Known Member

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    In the first pic you can see Drogba's onside, looking along the line and about to angle that little run he likes to make, Gallas and King have their eye on the ball. Lampard's looked up seen Drogba and is thinking about the angled through-ball/cross. Walker's got a split second decision, is Drogba onside or offside? Is Lampard going to play the ball? If Drogba's onside and Lampard plays the ball can anyone get back? Walker does the sensible thing and tracks a run which could very well be onside. Lampard doesn't play the ball to Drogba, but to Mata who immediately picks out Ramires' run, and that move of Walker's to cover the threat of Drogba a moment before, suddenly looks ill-advised, and everyone on here, examining in minute detail three frozen moments in time and comparing to an ideal line of four in their minds, groans and blames each person who's not in that rigid line.

    But this is what we mean when we talk about attackers having clever movement, when we talk about playing in the hole and pulling defenders out of position through the positions we take up. It tends to happen more however, when you're under-manned, when you haven't the spare man, then someone's got to take responsibility for the man on the ball and this is what leads to defenders getting pulled out of position. Stick Sandro or Livermore in that midfield and immediately you've got someone patrolling that area which Mata's just waltzed into. King doesn't step out, Ramires is covered. BAE's correct because he's got an eye on the over-lapping full-back. Walker's covered Drogba's aborted run and steps out smartly again. Parker's arriving fast from the blind-side of Mata, nicks the ball of his toes, and Bale's nicely advanced with Modric not far behind to launch the counter.

    That's it in a nut-shell. Simple as.
     
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  20. JUSTINSIGNAL

    JUSTINSIGNAL Well-Known Member

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    I agree with this.

    It's all about the quickness of making a decision. Drogba isn't really Walkers man so he has done the right thing to go and cover before he can communicate to Gallas and hand him over. If he leaves him and Lampard plays that ball in for Drogba to score then there would have been certain people on here who would have taken great pleasure in ripping into him.
     

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