►►►►►► Ratings -vs- Lazio ◄◄◄◄◄◄

Discussion in 'Spurs Chat' started by OmarsComing, Sep 20, 2012.

Spurs' Man of the Match

  1. Lloris

    1.4%
  2. Walker

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Caulker

    10.0%
  4. Vertonghen

    14.4%
  5. Naughton

    5.7%
  6. Lennon

    6.7%
  7. Sandro

    23.0%
  8. Dembele

    24.9%
  9. Dempsey

    1.4%
  10. Bale

    0.5%
  11. Defoe

    1.0%
  12. Sigurdsson

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. Townsend

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  14. Mason

    11.0%
  1. mpickard2087

    mpickard2087 Fantastic Member

    Messages:
    18,545
    Ratings Received:
    +20,820 / 536 / -229
    If Naughton was fit then I would keep him in the team in all honesty, I think he is doing well and on the balance deserves his place We have to accept that he isnt going to go down the outside and live with it. I think in the other thread I suggested that Bale would have to stay wider for longer periods to compensate for this. Obviously with someone like Dempsey ahead of him though it does become an issue. Bale at left back though is an option for home games and is something I would like to revisit this season to see how it goes, certainly for Sunday if Naughton is out then I'd prefer this than to move Vertonghen out from the centre of the defence.

    Naughton does look like he has some intelligence and can use the ball pretty well. Maybe next time he plays on that side a tactic to get more from him in an attacking sense would be that if Bale is holding the width then Naughton looks to 'underlap' him, if he picks the ball up 10-15 yards in field then this gives him more options and he has shown he can use the ball pretty well, it could allow him to offer more going forward.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  2. Mr Pink

    Mr Pink SC Supporter

    Messages:
    43,545
    Ratings Received:
    +56,241 / 799 / -266
    Just my overall feeling SP, I'm not being dogmatic or anything - I don't think I'm 100% correct on it, just my overall feeling on it.

    And with Bale playing ahead of him its far from ideal even if Bale worked a bit harder last night.

    I would drop Bale back to LB, and play the relatively industrious Dempsey ahead of him - who obviously carries a massive goal threat.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. Nocando

    Nocando Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,616
    Ratings Received:
    +3,665 / 92 / -77
    I don't think you are too far wrong. I think everyone played well overall, it's just that we missed that little bit of magic (VDV???). Dembele made a couple of bad passes, which may have resulted in a lynching if that were Jenas for example, but I think I am able to accept them just by the way he plays and the fact he adds so much to the team, so I would even agree with the 8 you gave him and even bearing in mind those mistakes. I was gutted to lose VDV but it just may be that Dembele makes up for that somewhat if he continues to play like he has so far.

    I think Walker is in that same bracket too. Makes a few bad mistakes but also does some excellent work and shows enough to convince me he is going to be a very good player for us.
     
  4. StartingPrice

    StartingPrice Chief Sardonicus Hyperlip

    Messages:
    32,443
    Ratings Received:
    +10,479 / 107 / -86
    No-one, so far as I know, said he was a child - I said he had just broke into the team. The two do not necessarily correlate - unless you are saying Brad made his debut for us last season, ergo he is in his early teens (fuzzy logic, Mr Bear, fuzzy logic - yeeeeeessssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh).
    He is in exactly the same position as Walker was last season, albeit a tad older, and I make exactly the same point about him last season, when getting unfair criticism (and with certain folk going totally overboard on him).
     
  5. Mr Pink

    Mr Pink SC Supporter

    Messages:
    43,545
    Ratings Received:
    +56,241 / 799 / -266
    I think he's done well - but mainly because he's a RB playing at LB. If I wasn't factoring that into it, I would be worried if he was going to be playing long term at LB for us.
     
  6. StartingPrice

    StartingPrice Chief Sardonicus Hyperlip

    Messages:
    32,443
    Ratings Received:
    +10,479 / 107 / -86
    And I'm not saying Naughton is either the long term solution, Mr P, or the next best thing since sliced bread. Just that he was one of several players who had equally good games last night, IMHO, and therefore I personally would make the slightly controversial decision to make him my MOM because he is just breaking into the team and he is playing technically out of position, which gives him just that slight edge, IMHO, over the several other players who I would rate at the same grade.

    Bale at LB :stinkyfeet: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :sneaky:
     
  7. Spurs_Bear

    Spurs_Bear Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    13,904
    Ratings Received:
    +12,228 / 444 / -202
    SP, without wanting to start War and Peace, I have not seen anywhere on this forum people give Naughton any kind of harsh or unfair criticism, all I have seen from a lot of people is too much praise, when clearly he is a player that is doing a job as a fill in and if you went anywhere near a neutral last night and told him "yeah mate, our right back who looked as if he had shoes on the wrong feet (tongue in cheek for playing on the wrong side..) was our MOTM, defo" they would quite rightly laugh you all the way back to your version of Fifa 13.

    All I'm asking for is perspective.

    PERSPECTIVE.
     
  8. StartingPrice

    StartingPrice Chief Sardonicus Hyperlip

    Messages:
    32,443
    Ratings Received:
    +10,479 / 107 / -86
    I have seen a lot of harsh/unfair criticism, like I said, some of it going back two season to certain posters slating him and saying he would never make an EPL player (I have a long and anally retentive memory :oops:).
    And my PERSPECTIVEas stated clearly for even dullards to understand is that, the way I saw the game, he was one of several players I would have graded similarly, but gave him MOM (my, personal, MOM), on the basis that he is breaking into the team and playing out of position. I'm not demanding that you agree with that, but I hardly think it is mental - which is what you said.

    Also, as I have said a few times, now, remembering that he hung back on occasions does not mean he offered no thread on the left at all - he actually did get forward a bit and put interract with Bale pretty well, and get some decent crosses in - now, that is persepctive.
    I'm not saying he is great, nor the long term solution, nor even that he was head and shoulders above any other player last night (I went out of my way to sue that very term), just, in lieu of any other player being head-and-shoulders above the rest, and him being about the same grade as several of our players* I would award him my MOM, even though I knew it would be a bit controversial.

    *And, as I said above, to me it jsut shows how we actually had a team who performed as a team last night - which has surely got to bode better for the future than having a few stand-out individuals carrying the rest.

    How's that for PERSPECTIVE!
     
  9. Spurs_Bear

    Spurs_Bear Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    13,904
    Ratings Received:
    +12,228 / 444 / -202
    Terrible, actually.
     
  10. StartingPrice

    StartingPrice Chief Sardonicus Hyperlip

    Messages:
    32,443
    Ratings Received:
    +10,479 / 107 / -86
    Which is funny, because I think your perspective has actually gone to pot on this issue.

    So much so that you feign to believe he did nothing in the offensive third at all.
    Loon Attic.

    Anyway, since it's all good, clean subjective fun, may I suggest I am totally right and you are totally wrong (y)
     
  11. Mr Pink

    Mr Pink SC Supporter

    Messages:
    43,545
    Ratings Received:
    +56,241 / 799 / -266
    SP it was a bit mental to give him MOM, you were clearly drinking last night and you went a little too far with trying to be different in awarding him MOM :)

    Just admit you were wrong and we can end this discussion, its good to be able to do that sometimes :D


    (holding red flag to the proverbial bull :nailbiting:)
     
  12. Spurs_Bear

    Spurs_Bear Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    13,904
    Ratings Received:
    +12,228 / 444 / -202
    All I will say, is go back to the post I said was 'fucking mental' and see what other parts of the sentence I could have been saying was mental.

    "He looks like has been playing left back his whole career."

    Well I don't know about you, but that's pretty mental.

    Can you give me an example of anything he did in the offensive third please. I honestly cant remember anything, and I saw quite a bit of him second half as he was spitting distance from me.
     
  13. StartingPrice

    StartingPrice Chief Sardonicus Hyperlip

    Messages:
    32,443
    Ratings Received:
    +10,479 / 107 / -86
    I'm wrong...he's a :censored:

    Happy, now, you bullying, badgering B'stard :cry:

    1) Fair point - and I did <LIKE> the fella's post rather than <AGREE>ing with it, for that very reason, because he doesn't look like he has been playing there all his life, and I don't think he is the long term solution.

    2) I can tell you he did, I can't give you any examples without watching the match again, and I don't have a recording of it. Maybe you could watch the game in the cold light of day and note all of Naughton's contributions (visible), and then tell us if you were a little harsh or whether he really did nothing offensive all game and I was blinkered by my need to scream hacking IT B'Stards?
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  14. JimmyG2

    JimmyG2 SC Supporter

    Messages:
    6,721
    Ratings Received:
    +4,395 / 191 / -43
    Enjoyed the game, plenty of skill on display from both sides.
    Bit cagey and tactical at times but not boring just because of that.
    Lovely to see the ball being moved from the back purposefully with two centre backs
    that know when to move into midfield with the ball.
    How can Gallas can replace Caulker(7) for the next game?
    Or Friedel replace, ( first clean sheet of the season) Lloris?(7)
    alert and aware throughout.
    Sandro (8) was excellent.
    Best of all though was Vertonghen (8.5) whose use of the ball is composed
    and he drives the team forward constantly.
    Sigurdsson is possibly not quite as good as I had hoped
    and Dembele(6) perhaps better though he was a bit hit and miss last night.
    Bale, Lennon and Defoe (6) all put in decent shifts but not quite there.

    (8) for AVB for being true to his word to take this seriously
    and for giving the team good purpose and shape against a decent team
    albeit at home.
    Remember this time last week we were in crises mode prior to total meltdown
    now people are moaning because we didn't beat the current top team in Italy.
    Give it time people. We have the players and now a manager
    that can take us to the next level.
    The talk of the appointment of Baldini indicates that we are going forward and upwards.
     
  15. stemark44

    stemark44 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,598
    Ratings Received:
    +1,988 / 348 / -140
    Very impressed with our performance last night and against Reading at the weekend and things are beginning to look good.
    Let's not get too carried away but we look a powerful and well drilled outfit,we lack a bit of craft up front but other than that there is little to be negative about.
    Let's keep it going and if the team keeps improving and results go our way,we could do alright this season.
     
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  16. stevenqoz

    stevenqoz Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,586
    Media:
    6
    Ratings Received:
    +397 / 53 / -3
     
  17. Reshep

    Reshep Member

    Messages:
    506
    Ratings Received:
    +36 / 9 / -1

    Ok to be clear, I did not rate Omar’s post as dumb at any point, nor have I rated any of his posts as dumb. I disagreed with his original ratings, though there were others who did call it dumb and another person who - like me - disagreed with the original post.

    Simply put, the timeline of events was as follows:

    10:38 PM, Sept 20th - Omar posted match ratings
    10:50 PM, Sept 20th - I disagreed with match ratings
    11:10 PM, Sept 20th - Omar then found my last post (which happened to be the one VS Reading from 5 days ago) and rated it as dumb

    The original point I made stands – Omar gave me a negative rating as an emotional response to me disagreeing with him on his match ratings.

    In my opinion that was a petty response, in your opinion he was within his rights to do this as you perceive his post to be reasonable and that I was unreasonable in disagreeing with him.

    That is where we stand – and that is your opinion which is fine – I still stand by my reasons for disagreeing with his original post (the fact is that 7 people also agreed with my reasoning while 3 other users rated Omars original post with negatives, and nobody agreed or was positive about his original post).

    Based on the feedback of others on my reasoning and on Omars original post, I am not sure how you can perceive my original disagreement with him on his match ratings as unreasonable? Therefore the response on his part of rating one of my old posts (created 5 days ago) was unreasonable.
     
  18. StartingPrice

    StartingPrice Chief Sardonicus Hyperlip

    Messages:
    32,443
    Ratings Received:
    +10,479 / 107 / -86
    I'm not disagreeing with either your right or your reasoning for grading thr players differently to Omar. I am saying I don't know why you, or anyone else had to rate his gradings as <DUMB> <DISAGREE> <OLD> or anything negative. I may make some tweaks, but tehre is nothing crazy there. I don't see why you couldn't have just provided your gradings as an alternative. Unless there is another agenda here, I so no reason why so many have rated that post so negatively, otherwise. It is possible that quite a few posters ar unhappy with Omar's usage of the ratings system to neg them, lately, in which case they should be up front about it.

    You are now saying you just <DISAGREE> with his gradings, and that he went tit-for-tat on you. Well, yeah, you did, however, say he did it to you as one of nine negs you got on a post, and that you were applying the same standard to him - and what I am suggesting is that you aren't really being consistent. If you made a post that was outlandish or offensive and got negged by a lot of posters (and NINE is a lot), then maybe you should accept that you were off the mark and move on, rather than negging him for a perfectly reasonable post and pretend you are being consistent, and not pursuing a vendetta. Because, from the outside, taht is exactly what it looks like from here - I can see no other reason for you or anyone else grading that post negatively.

    And I repeat, again, there is a thread on this, already.

    And, just to be clear, I am not on Omar's side - I jsut thnk that post is a perfectly reasonable one, whether I agree with it exctly or not, and cannot see why you, or anyone else would neg it unless it was to pursue an agenda, and if I were to state a subjective opinion, like that one (that is clearly not outlandish) I would think that someone <DISAGREE>ing with it held an opinion contrary to my own, and I would only be being consistent in gradaing their subjective opinion the same - if one had been posted (it's hard to disagree with someone who negs you and then doesn't post their contrary opinion, unless you neg a random post negatively because they habven't made a post stating explicitly the opinion that is contrary to yours and they have negged you on, which, to me, seems fair enough, as to not put your counter opinion down and invite respective negging is actually a bit cowardly).
     
  19. sloth

    sloth Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    8,990
    Ratings Received:
    +7,036 / 170 / -64
    Actually agreed with that but negged you just for old time's sake :)
     
    • Like Like x 2
  20. Matt_Spurs

    Matt_Spurs Member

    Messages:
    65
    Ratings Received:
    +183 / 3 / -0
    What did everyone think of Townsend when he came on? Admittedly it was only a fleeting appereance (just like Reading on Sunday and pre season games). He seems to have good skill set. He is powerful, quick and very direct. He looks quite raw though. With AVB's coaching and some more game time think he has some good potential.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1

Share This Page