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double0

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Let’s get things right , we can expect our club/team to be winning cups, that’s fair enough so to lose to United was painful but not shameful.
I believe our perspective should be Progression obviously and we are doing this across the board we are changing unliked habits note this season we won at Stamford Bridge , we continue to compete for improved league positions ,we are now competing in CL so I repeat we are on the right road and I’m sure successes will fall our way.
 

shelfboy68

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Let’s get things right , we can expect our club/team to be winning cups, that’s fair enough so to lose to United was painful but not shameful.
I believe our perspective should be Progression obviously and we are doing this across the board we are changing unliked habits note this season we won at Stamford Bridge , we continue to compete for improved league positions ,we are now competing in CL so I repeat we are on the right road and I’m sure successes will fall our way.
Totally agree although we still haven't managed to change all habits like getting through at least one semi-final final in over two decades but I suppose you can't expect miracles.
 

nasescoba1985

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We can talk the good talk and talk how great we have been all we like, but the Fact remains despite all our efforts, we have nothing to show for it. You honestly think the likes of Harry etc are going to want to look at their career at say 30 and say " what a top 4 achievement that was " ... or " what a great season that was challenging the title "

Sorry guys, but I think some of you need to wake up and smell the coffee here. We are honestly not that far off from losing the key players in this team if we don't start winning stuff. Some of you are sitting here having a go at supporters for concern of lack of success.
Why shouldn't we be ?

We have won nothing in 10 years. How is this acceptable for a club of our size ? I honestly couldn't give a toss about where we were in the 90s. That was a totally different Spurs era and we have moved on a lot from then. Surely we are not asking for much when we crave the odd Fa cup etc? The fact that our team/club consistently finds ways of bottling it on the big occasions when it really matters is a huge concern. Look at Liverpool last night, turned up at the big game and pretty much have one foot in the CL final. We're not far off Liverpool in the league, so how the fuck has our team not shown any grit or bottle in an fa Cup semi final ? Same old shit every season with Spurs and same old lame excuses.


When does it become unacceptable for some of you guys then ?

5 more years potless ? 10?

Sorry, but I have seen us fuck up these games and important cups more than enough now and it's time this team buck up their ideas and achieve something.
 

double0

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Aug 29, 2006
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We can talk the good talk and talk how great we have been all we like, but the Fact remains despite all our efforts, we have nothing to show for it. You honestly think the likes of Harry etc are going to want to look at their career at say 30 and say " what a top 4 achievement that was " ... or " what a great season that was challenging the title "

Sorry guys, but I think some of you need to wake up and smell the coffee here. We are honestly not that far off from losing the key players in this team if we don't start winning stuff. Some of you are sitting here having a go at supporters for concern of lack of success.
Why shouldn't we be ?

We have won nothing in 10 years. How is this acceptable for a club of our size ? I honestly couldn't give a toss about where we were in the 90s. That was a totally different Spurs era and we have moved on a lot from then. Surely we are not asking for much when we crave the odd Fa cup etc? The fact that our team/club consistently finds ways of bottling it on the big occasions when it really matters is a huge concern. Look at Liverpool last night, turned up at the big game and pretty much have one foot in the CL final. We're not far off Liverpool in the league, so how the fuck has our team not shown any grit or bottle in an fa Cup semi final ? Same old shit every season with Spurs and same old lame excuses.


When does it become unacceptable for some of you guys then ?

5 more years potless ? 10?

Sorry, but I have seen us fuck up these games and important cups more than enough now and it's time this team buck up their ideas and achieve something.


Its understandable what you're saying and like you other Spurs are fed up with us falling when it matters but this is a fundamental problem our club has, a culture a mentality a way a belief our motto. Something needs to change if we are looking for that utopia, Pochettinho is getting deep to the roots of changing the above and we would be utter mugs if we're to hound him out now with this trophy narrative.
 

defoe18

The game is about glory..
Jan 19, 2005
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I've stayed away from posting on this (and other issues) but here's my offering:

What do you want....One cup every 10 years? Or a Legacy?

Trophies will come, especially now the stadium is complete and we can compete, and we will be challenging for honors every single year. We've been building the platform for success for the last 3 years. We are progressing.

If not, sack Poch and go and hire a Juande Ramos type and go win the League Cup or FA Cup.
Then what? Where do you go after that trophy? Winning a cup doesn't magically make you title contenders or a Champions League club. It doesn't magically make you consistent week in and week out.

I totally get people are frustrated but Poch has taken us to two Cup semi-finals and a League Cup final... in 4 seasons, that's pretty consistent.
 

PeeEyeEmPee

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Aug 31, 2012
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Its understandable what you're saying and like you other Spurs are fed up with us falling when it matters but this is a fundamental problem our club has, a culture a mentality a way a belief our motto. Something needs to change if we are looking for that utopia, Pochettinho is getting deep to the roots of changing the above and we would be utter mugs if we're to hound him out now with this trophy narrative.
criticism isn't the same as calling for his head though. why does everyone get so scared of even the slightest criticism in here, as if he's gonna log on to SC one day, see that a few people are questioning his in-game management or the team's mentality, and suddenly decide to jack it all in? EVERY manager gets criticism at some point, especially after being knocked out, why should Pochettino be any different? there are things he could be doing better, it's as simple as that. I can't understand how or why anyone would have a problem with that.
 

nasescoba1985

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BOYS, nowhere have i said get rid of Poch. I can see the great work he is doing, but there comes a time where we have to sit back and say this team has to deliver. It's not on Poch, it's on players to who are failing to see these big games out time and time again.
 
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criticism isn't the same as calling for his head though. why does everyone get so scared of even the slightest criticism in here, as if he's gonna log on to SC one day, see that a few people are questioning his in-game management or the team's mentality, and suddenly decide to jack it all in? EVERY manager gets criticism at some point, especially after being knocked out, why should Pochettino be any different? there are things he could be doing better, it's as simple as that. I can't understand how or why anyone would have a problem with that.
How has anything you have just quoted got to do with what you are on about, that is my exact point with you. You are making a point about something that doesn't exist.

I have seen plenty of criticism of him and I don't see people going overboard to defend some of his perceived poor in game management and things of that ilk.

Again no one has said you cannot criticise him, especially if it is warrented.
 

worcestersauce

"I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope
Jan 23, 2006
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I've stayed away from posting on this (and other issues) but here's my offering:

What do you want....One cup every 10 years? Or a Legacy?


Trophies will come, especially now the stadium is complete and we can compete, and we will be challenging for honors every single year. We've been building the platform for success for the last 3 years. We are progressing.

If not, sack Poch and go and hire a Juande Ramos type and go win the League Cup or FA Cup.
Then what? Where do you go after that trophy? Winning a cup doesn't magically make you title contenders or a Champions League club. It doesn't magically make you consistent week in and week out.

I totally get people are frustrated but Poch has taken us to two Cup semi-finals and a League Cup final... in 4 seasons, that's pretty consistent.
There you go, reboot, that is fundamentally our starting point, discuss.
 

longtimespur

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All this constant bollocks about leaving to win trophies.............
Why don't these same players put in the extra effort playing for Spurs, if they want to win trophies, instead of failing to turn up in important games like that semi-final.
Will they expect the players of the other teams, should they join them, to win it for them.
FFS if our players are as good as they think they are then why don't they put in the extra work and win it with their current team mates.
 
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