Adam Smith

[arunspurs]

Point still stands, even if he isn't ready then why sell Walker to bring in Adam Smith? KWP or not there are still better full backs out there. Exactly the same applies to Maguire but for some reason people are still happy for us to spend £22m on him too.

Then stop saying KWP can be a back up. Poch may see him as one, as he has first hand info. But we can't.

Trippier deserves starting place. So, IMO we should be looking for a back up RB or someone who accepts bench role but still challenges him.

On othe other hand, if you don't like Trippier as a starter, then automatically the price of RB we need goes up, possibly even 20m

 

[MattPhilpott]

Actually he has always been good going forward. If there are any question marks they would be defensive ones

He is good going forward and at crossing the ball, however, for me, a part of a wingbacks job is to man and control the whole channel from one end to the other, which requires a lot of speed and a lot of stamina, whilst I'm sure he has the latter playing under Howe, he isn't the raw athlete that someone like Walker is...

When teams have played this formation this year, you've had the following

Arsenal: Ox/Bellerin
Chelsea: Moses
Liverpool: Clyne
Man Utd: Valencia
Spurs: Walker

And so on...

I just don't think Smith has the athletic skill set required to do the job!

- Another person who I think would be a great replacement would be Florenzi at Roma, very good at attacking and defending, and can play anywhere on the right, as well as doubling up as a CM!

 

[ardiles]

If you view Smith as unremarkable RB now, fact is Trippier was viewed as unremarkable then , regardless of his price.

All these talks around KWP is nice. But fact is I haven't seen him play & you haven't seen him play either. So, am not sure how anyone can say whether he has developed or not developed ?

If we get another RB, there's even less chance of seeing him play for the first team.

We don't have as big a transfer budget as the other top 6 teams, especially with the new stadium. RB is not a priority position as we have two, possibly three (if Walker stays), currently in the squad. If there is really an emergency, we can switch to a back four with Dier playing RB (even if that is required, I don't think it would be for many games).

If KWP is given more opportunities with the first team and doesn't cut it, we can get another RB in the next TW or next summer.

I wasn't expecting Winks to fit in so seamlessly this last season but I'm just glad he was given the opportunity to show his worth.

 

[arunspurs]

If we get another RB, there's even less chance of seeing him play for the first team.

We don't have as big a transfer budget as the other top 6 teams, especially with the new stadium. RB is not a priority position as we have two, possibly three (if Walker stays), currently in the squad. If there is really an emergency, we can switch to a back four with Dier playing RB (even if that is required, I don't think it would be for many games).

If KWP is given more opportunities with the first team and doesn't cut it, we can get another RB in the next TW or next summer.

I wasn't expecting Winks to fit in so seamlessly this last season but I'm just glad he was given the opportunity to show his worth.

Winks showed his quality against Juve & Atletico in preseason. Lets see how KWP does this preseason before jumping to any conclusions...

 

[danielneeds]

He is good going forward and at crossing the ball, however, for me, a part of a wingbacks job is to man and control the whole channel from one end to the other, which requires a lot of speed and a lot of stamina, whilst I'm sure he has the latter playing under Howe, he isn't the raw athlete that someone like Walker is...

When teams have played this formation this year, you've had the following

Arsenal: Ox/Bellerin
Chelsea: Moses
Liverpool: Clyne
Man Utd: Valencia
Spurs: Walker

And so on...

I just don't think Smith has the athletic skill set required to do the job!

- Another person who I think would be a great replacement would be Florenzi at Roma, very good at attacking and defending, and can play anywhere on the right, as well as doubling up as a CM!

The best wingback of the lot this year, outside ours, was Alonso though and he isn't a real "athlete" so your argument falls down a little here.

 

[knowlespurs]

really cant see why he would want to go from their first team to probably sit on our bench
also i think Bournemouth are really good payers so wouldnt be for the money

 

[coy-spurs1882]

really cant see why he would want to go from their first team to probably sit on our bench
also i think Bournemouth are really good payers so wouldnt be for the money

potential involvement in CL and race for title? just saying

 

[TEESSIDE1]

The best wingback of the lot this year, outside ours, was Alonso though and he isn't a real "athlete" so your argument falls down a little here.

Not necessarily as Chelsea play with 2 fast players in Hazard, and Pedro or Willian who's no slouch... all of whom stop the opposition from over committing and exposing Alonso's lack of pace and/or qualities. Arguably we could also get away with having someone like Smith but we'd need someone else in addition to Son whom can have the same effect as the Chelsea front line.

 

[arunspurs]

potential involvement in CL and race for title? just saying

And a Spurs fan who want to play for his club and prove he is good enough & better than Trippier?...

 

[cider spurs]

Walker leaving then?.

All this talk of this RB, that RWB. Must of missed the club announcement.

 

[heelspurs]

Most aren't going to like this but I wonder how much we will regret selling Yedlin last year instead of sending him on a longer loan spell (a la Danny to Sunderland). I though he outperformed Trips in the preseason (though Poch saw more in training) last year and showed enough to warrant a greater chance. He played well for NUFC last year after bedding in. We shall see this year in the prem.

 

[Sweech]

For starters, when we bought Trippier he was seen as a unremarkable full back playing for a poor Burnley. And see how well he has grown into his game.

I didn't say don't give a chance to KWP in preseason. Give him a chance & see how he does. There is no timelimit to buy Adam Smith. We could even buy him after PL starts & before the window shuts.

Just curious if you would state the same, if its Onomah for a starting spot than KWP. We give youngsters a chance , no doubt . But they may work & may not work or simply may take more time like Onomah. Question though is, can we afford to take that risk ?

Regarding Smith - his career path is very similar to Rose, interms of positions he played. While he started as a RB, like Rose he played predominantly in RM. In the season Bournemouth got promoted he played as RM & LM mainly and sparingly used at RB. In PL though , he has been used as a RB. Considering this, he has done remarkably well in his short PL career.

He is a player on the up, having played 3000 minutes in PL this season with 5 assists & a goal - thats better than Walker, having played in a average team that leaks goals all over the park. He is technically good for a RB and he is largely intelligent on the ball. He has positional issues like any learning RB, but still has very good interception rate than Walker or Trippier.

If KWP can prove he is good enough in preseason, I dont mind the risk for 6 months. But if he seems unreliable, then I don't mind a 12m to 15m punt on Smith. He has a upside to his game,and given he is a Spurs fan at heart, its a added bonus to the squad.

Not really accurate as Trippier was one of the top chance creators in the entire league despite playing at fullback.

Maybe he didn't have the name recognition for a layman, but anyone who could look at a statistical sheet knew exactly who he was.

Adam Smith doesn't even come close. He doesn't show that he's perhaps under utilized or has a skillset that can add something advantageous like Trippier can.

 

[arunspurs]

Not really accurate as Trippier was one of the top chance creators in the entire league despite playing at fullback.

Maybe he didn't have the name recognition for a layman, but anyone who could look at a statistical sheet knew exactly who he was.

Adam Smith doesn't even come close. He doesn't show that he's perhaps under utilized or has a skillset that can add something advantageous like Trippier can.

Sorry mate, have to disagree. Smith has the same attacking instincts as Trippier or Walker. He is technically far better than both of them. He isn't a slouch, he gets up & down the field with ease. His pass completion rate of 85% is superior to both Walker & Trippier.

He doesnt look flashy like Walker or has crossing ability like Trippier, but what he has is good understanding of the game. His crossing isnt the worst either. Trippier the better creator than Smith but then you are comparing someone who has played 3000 minutes playing in a average PL team to 500 minutes playing in superior team...

 

[danielneeds]

Not really accurate as Trippier was one of the top chance creators in the entire league despite playing at fullback.

Maybe he didn't have the name recognition for a layman, but anyone who could look at a statistical sheet knew exactly who he was.

Adam Smith doesn't even come close. He doesn't show that he's perhaps under utilized or has a skillset that can add something advantageous like Trippier can.

Looking at the squawka matrix comparison (and I know it's not always reflective) actually Smith has some of the better qualities of both Trippier and Walker. And given that Bournemouth didn't spend as much time attacking last season as we did, his numbers are good.

 

[arunspurs]

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Looking at the squawka matrix comparison (and I know it's not always reflective) actually Smith has some of the better qualities of both Trippier and Walker. And given that Bournemouth didn't spend as much time attacking last season as we did, his numbers are good.

Any RB who has this good a interceptions stat has to be positionally good, which means he doesnt have to have the pace to rescue him.

This is Smith MoM performance in May this year....He shows everything you need from a RB. If he brings these qualities - movement off the ball, good crossing, versatile in both feet - thats more than good enough in PL. At the minimum , its a great starting point to work with a coach like Poch...

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Top assisting defender in the league despite not having a top striker to aim at. Imagine if he had Harry Kane on the end of his distribution.

I'd be fine with him coming in if Walker goes, he has pace, energy, skill and end product. He can get caught out defensively but so do Walker and Trippier, difference is that they are covered for by Alderweireld whereas Smith is covered for by Simon Francis.

 

[Sweech]

Sorry mate, have to disagree. Smith has the same attacking instincts as Trippier or Walker. He is technically far better than both of them. He isn't a slouch, he gets up & down the field with ease. His pass completion rate of 85% is superior to both Walker & Trippier.

He doesnt look flashy like Walker or has crossing ability like Trippier, but what he has is good understanding of the game. His crossing isnt the worst either. Trippier the better creator than Smith but then you are comparing someone who has played 3000 minutes playing in a average PL team to 500 minutes playing in superior team...

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Looking at the squawka matrix comparison (and I know it's not always reflective) actually Smith has some of the better qualities of both Trippier and Walker. And given that Bournemouth didn't spend as much time attacking last season as we did, his numbers are good.

The point isn't comparing Trippier with his low minutes in this team it's as I stated that at Burnley he was one of the highest chance creators in the league.

 

[Sweech]

Any RB who has this good a interceptions stat has to be positionally good, which means he doesnt have to have the pace to rescue him.

This is Smith MoM performance in May this year....He shows everything you need from a RB. If he brings these qualities - movement off the ball, good crossing, versatile in both feet - thats more than good enough in PL. At the minimum , its a great starting point to work with a coach like Poch...

Tackles and interceptions have far too many variables to be used as an indicator of how good a player is compared to his peers. The fact play styles and tactics of the team as a whole largely influence those statistics it's barely an indicator of the individual.

 

[arunspurs]

The point isn't comparing Trippier with his low minutes in this team it's as I stated that at Burnley he was one of the highest chance creators in the league.

So you will caveat Burnley for Trippier but you won't caveat Bournemouth for Smith , is it ?

 

[arunspurs]

Tackles and interceptions have far too many variables to be used as an indicator of how good a player is compared to his peers. The fact play styles and tactics of the team as a whole largely influence those statistics it's barely an indicator of the individual.

Bournemouth plays very similar to how Spurs play but with poorer players. So why shouldnt there be a comparison ?