Adebayor's injury

Krafty

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The fact Defoe's hold up play was miles better than Adebayor is a clear indication that Adebayor is not playing well.

My problem with him isn't so much that he is out of form, but that for a large percentage of the games he is not interested in winning his personal duels with the defenders. He gets easily out-muscled, easily out jumped, easily out fought, it's not that he doesn't win every ball or hold up the play every time or whatever, its the fact he doesn't even put in a decent effort. There was an ironic cheer when he actually won a flick on during the match on sunday because he actually went into a contest for the ball, rather than doing a half arsed jump.

There are moments, flashes, when you think 'okay, he's finally get his mind focused, its taken twenty minutes but he's now ready to make an impression on the game' and in the next move he gets muscled out by a 3'11 dwarf.

I don't think he would have gone off injured if Defoe wasn't on the bench.

A big decision needs to be made in the summer. AVB has improved pretty much everyone's game this season except Adebayor. We need another striker regardless, but I think if we do not see an improvement in basic effort from Ade then we should sell him in the summer and get in two strikers, one who can go straight into the starting eleven, and someone who will work hard regardless.
 

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I don't know how people can defend Adebayor. Sure when he wants to play, he's epic, but how rare is that? 1 in 20 games?

I know stats don't always tell a story and he's started a few games as sub, but look at this:

2011-2012
Apps: 37
Goals: 18
Assists: 12

2012-current
Apps: 20
Goals: 3
Assists: 0


Can anyone think of a game he's been good in this year? I can't.

The fact we've been playing so well with him in the squad every week, just shows how good our potential is. I for one, am very happy that Defoe is back.
You've just shown the floor in your own argument.

His 2011-2012 season was immense yet you seem to completely ignore it. You could equally argue that he is bound to improve in form on the basis of last season.

Sure I think Defoe is our main man at the moment but I'm not so eager to dismiss Adebayor. He's always had a good goal to game ratio at previous clubs which include the likes of City, Madrid and Arsenal!
 

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Doesn't really matter what any of us think anyway. We know DL sensibly likes a good fee in for players. He's not a huge fan of giving someone a package of 100k a week for this return either, imo. Regardless of our various yays or nays against Ade, he simply has to pick it up. If he doesn't he's not going to be relied upon by AVB should reinforcements arrive in the summer.

We all know what happens when Ade isn't in and around the first team picture.

If Ade, nobody else and nothing else, doesn't pick it up, this is going to end badly.
 

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Some people are deluded, he may not have been great, but he still has a part to play. We haven't done all this playing with 10 men. I will still say that he has contributed more in terms of team play than Defoe just before he got injured. Bale isn't scoring all these goals playing up front with Defoe. People don't or have never liked Adebayor and I think this just adds to the witch hunt. I wish we had better strikers like everyone else, but things are not so bad with Adebayor.
 

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You've just shown the floor in your own argument.

His 2011-2012 season was immense yet you seem to completely ignore it. You could equally argue that he is bound to improve in form on the basis of last season.

Sure I think Defoe is our main man at the moment but I'm not so eager to dismiss Adebayor. He's always had a good goal to game ratio at previous clubs which include the likes of City, Madrid and Arsenal!

When I say 'Epic', I mean exceptional. Sure he was good last season for most of our games, but my main point I'm trying to get across is he has been terrible this season. It's a common trait with him as well with the clubs he's been at..

Arsenal - scored 24 in the season he was 'enjoying' it, then goes and scores 10 the next season.
City - scored 14 in his 1st season then got 'bored' and only played 8 games the 1st half of next season with 1 goal
Madrid - 5 in 14 for the 2nd half of that season...
Spurs - 18 in 1st season which was great because he was happy then suddenly only TWO goals so far this season

The midfields for those clubs above are exceptional so you cannot excuse the service into him.

You only have had to watch him this season to know he's awful. Tell me you've not been frustrated with nearly every game he's played in? His primary focus is to be the target man for our team and he can't even do that. What use is he?

Lets look at his general play:

- Hold up play: remember last year all the times he would knock down or play in VDV to score? Not seen that at all this year.
- Running the defence: doesn't even move, most of the time stationary and never runs in behind the defence.
- First Touch: this is essential when you're the target man - it's worse than Torres and that speaks for itself
- Shooting: I don't even need to explain myself here. The west ham chance will sum that up this season.
- Goals: 2 goals, 2. Fact is, as I mentioned above, he wouldn't be playing if we had a 3rd striker.

I just don't see where anyone can defend him.

Sorry for the negativity towards one of our own, but needs to be said.
 

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The fact Defoe's hold up play was miles better than Adebayor is a clear indication that Adebayor is not playing well.

My problem with him isn't so much that he is out of form, but that for a large percentage of the games he is not interested in winning his personal duels with the defenders. He gets easily out-muscled, easily out jumped, easily out fought, it's not that he doesn't win every ball or hold up the play every time or whatever, its the fact he doesn't even put in a decent effort. There was an ironic cheer when he actually won a flick on during the match on sunday because he actually went into a contest for the ball, rather than doing a half arsed jump.

There are moments, flashes, when you think 'okay, he's finally get his mind focused, its taken twenty minutes but he's now ready to make an impression on the game' and in the next move he gets muscled out by a 3'11 dwarf.

I don't think he would have gone off injured if Defoe wasn't on the bench.

A big decision needs to be made in the summer. AVB has improved pretty much everyone's game this season except Adebayor. We need another striker regardless, but I think if we do not see an improvement in basic effort from Ade then we should sell him in the summer and get in two strikers, one who can go straight into the starting eleven, and someone who will work hard regardless.
These are my thoughts exactly. Those who are refering to last season are missing the point. Its his attitude as much as his form.

You only have to look at last nights game and Dzeko's performance. He is not the most skillfull of CF but his desire not only to win the ball but to hold onto it put's Ade in the shade
 

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The whole 'We're generally better with Adebayor in the team even if he's not scoring' has gone out the window a bit this season, IMO.

Defoe did more in 5 minutes than Adebayor did in the whole of the Arsenal game(Yes I'm aware of the run for the first goal, I'll praise him for that, I guess....). This is Defoe we're talking about as well, great goal scorer but can be so anonymous at times yet he made me wonder what the fuck Adebayor had been doing all that time. The Sunderland miss was one I thought he wouldn't be able to repeat but he came as close as he could without it being worse with the header straight at the West Ham keeper a few days ago.

I've always defended Adebayor in the past and never even really minded him not scoring much as he gave so much else but this really isn't the case anymore, I'm unfortunately starting to lose faith.
Tend to agree. Desperately hoping that a change in form is just around the corner but it doesn't look like happening. Relieved Defoe is back now and I expect him to start if this keeps up for much longer, in fact he might even come straight back into the side now at Adebayor's expense.
 

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When I say 'Epic', I mean exceptional. Sure he was good last season for most of our games, but my main point I'm trying to get across is he has been terrible this season. It's a common trait with him as well with the clubs he's been at..

Arsenal - scored 24 in the season he was 'enjoying' it, then goes and scores 10 the next season.
City - scored 14 in his 1st season then got 'bored' and only played 8 games the 1st half of next season with 1 goal
Madrid - 5 in 14 for the 2nd half of that season...
Spurs - 18 in 1st season which was great because he was happy then suddenly only TWO goals so far this season

The midfields for those clubs above are exceptional so you cannot excuse the service into him.

You only have had to watch him this season to know he's awful. Tell me you've not been frustrated with nearly every game he's played in? His primary focus is to be the target man for our team and he can't even do that. What use is he?

Lets look at his general play:

- Hold up play: remember last year all the times he would knock down or play in VDV to score? Not seen that at all this year.
- Running the defence: doesn't even move, most of the time stationary and never runs in behind the defence.
- First Touch: this is essential when you're the target man - it's worse than Torres and that speaks for itself
- Shooting: I don't even need to explain myself here. The west ham chance will sum that up this season.
- Goals: 2 goals, 2. Fact is, as I mentioned above, he wouldn't be playing if we had a 3rd striker.

I just don't see where anyone can defend him.

Sorry for the negativity towards one of our own, but needs to be said.
Yes and those 10 goals were in 26 games. Not a bad return if you ask me. You pick out examples at City and Madrid when he stopped getting starts, so sure he's going to score less.

He's in bad form, missed pre-season and picked up an injury and has played in the African Cup of Nations. Sure he missed that sitter v West Ham but that is one of few chances he's had.

I just remember his class last season. He made Crouch and Pavlyuchenkoshit look like League 2 players. He won more balls in the air than them, it was also clear his link-up play was much better and he banged in more goals.

On your logic, Defoe would have been sold in 2011 when he scored 9 goals all season.

I'm not saying he's our solution for strikers and would start Defoe in most games, but I think it's just rather trigger happy to dismiss his qualities as a player.

PS the miss against West Ham was not a 'shot' and how the hell did you randomly decide he has a worse touch than Torres?!
 

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Yes and those 10 goals were in 26 games. Not a bad return if you ask me. You pick out examples at City and Madrid when he stopped getting starts, so sure he's going to score less.

He's in bad form, missed pre-season and picked up an injury and has played in the African Cup of Nations. Sure he missed that sitter v West Ham but that is one of few chances he's had.

I just remember his class last season. He made Crouch and Pavlyuchenkoshit look like League 2 players. He won more balls in the air than them, it was also clear his link-up play was much better and he banged in more goals.

On your logic, Defoe would have been sold in 2011 when he scored 9 goals all season.

I'm not saying he's our solution for strikers and would start Defoe in most games, but I think it's just rather trigger happy to dismiss his qualities as a player.

PS the miss against West Ham was not a 'shot' and how the hell did you randomly decide he has a worse touch than Torres?!

Yes, but ask yourself WHY does he stop getting starts? He's obviously a good player, but his attitude isn't.

No he's not in bad form. Form is temporary, he's been awful all season. "1 of the few chances he's had" - you've summed it up... he doesn't make chances or get himself into positions to be able to do that more often.

Totally agree with you that his 1st season was great, but he's only good when he can be arsed to be good. Attitude problems again.

Defoe was pretty much a sub all season and Ade has had more than enough 1st team starts to prove me wrong, but fails to do so.

As mentioned before, I don't doubt he has the quality, but where is it? It's certainly not here this season is it.

It was a header from 5 yards towards the goal... that is a shot! He didn't exactly fall over into the ball did he.

If you've watched him closely, which you obvious have, you will have seen how poor his 1st touch has become and how much he loses the ball this season. Again, I believe that he's better than that, but he's not showing it at all.
 

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Yes, but ask yourself WHY does he stop getting starts? He's obviously a good player, but his attitude isn't.

No he's not in bad form. Form is temporary, he's been awful all season. "1 of the few chances he's had" - you've summed it up... he doesn't make chances or get himself into positions to be able to do that more often.
I'm sorry but a striker isn't usually wholly responsible for creating their own chances.....

Also, how the hell do you know he has a poor attitude?!!!!! I'm tired of this argument, yes he looks apathetic on the pitch at times and so is inconsistent but isn't Defoe too?


I am fed up with talking to a bigot following the media storm on Adebayor. He has more honesty than I see in most footballers:

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/adebayor-will-fire-us-to-champions-league.95152/

Take a look at Bale's goal again and you'll see Adebayors run that opens up the space for the throughball.
 

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Really don't think it's a coincidence that Adebayor has played a lot lately and Bale is now in the form of his life. Free Kicks or not. A lot of Bales goals Adebayor is around the ball taking off a defender or at least moving with one

But it could be he is moved up front. We will see when Defoe and Bale play together up front.
Yeah, before every game I imagine Bale is thinking: "Oh no! That waste of space again! I'm going to have to do something very special if we're going to win this game!!!" The last few weeks he's passed on the message to Dembele and Lennon.
 

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no he doesn't, already posted showing that there was space before Ade makes his run.
You're incorrect Chris. I have it on sky plus and have it slowed right down pausing/playing it several times. Adebayor's run drags Vermaelen out of position - and that creates the space for Bale to target and he instantly points for where he wants it. Vermaelen at this point is in no mans land as there are now two gaps for Siggi to place the pass. He places it to the left of Vermaelen, (or his right) correctly as that space is bigger, this is where people are getting confused. Vermaelen starts to go with Adebayor and then sees the space Bale is about to charge into, he then starts to check back - being in no mans land.

There is no doubt that Adebayor's run affects Vermaelen positionally, and Bale's run on top of that totally has him between a rock and a hard place. Result Sig places it in the bigger of the two spaces - which really opens up when Vermaelen positionally is right between Adebayor and Bale.

One good off the ball run is much easier to cope with than two. Not only would I say that Adebayor's run contributes to the goal, I would say it was integral. He opened up the space in that first phase of the move.
 

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he also causes problems with Demel a bit on Bale's first goal against West Ham that gives Bale that little inch of space.
 

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You're incorrect Chris. I have it on sky plus and have it slowed right down pausing/playing it several times.

From what i can remember and clips i can find there was space for Bale to run into before Ade makes his run.



Ade then drags the defender into play, but he does well when he does make his run and then to what your saying.
 

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From what i can remember and clips i can find there was space for Bale to run into before Ade makes his run.



Ade then drags the defender into play, but he does well when he does make his run and then to what your saying.
Honestly Chris, I'm watching it right in front of me on a 42 inch tele, being able to rewind it right to the point where the move starts from Bale heading the ball to Sigi. Have watched half a dozen times at least, Abdebayor starts to run before Bale or even Sigi moves forward with the ball.

In the clip above Adebayor is already well on the move, out of sight to the left...and Vermaelen is going with him, but they're both running in an arched way coming towards that space in your clip above. That clip and space above is deceptive, because its about to be occupied. When they hit that area above, the space then opens up for Bale. The two runs of Adebayor and Bale is what creates that goal for me. Bale basically feeds off Adebayor's run with a clever run himself, he sees Ade bringing Vermaelen that way, and the CB then checks - stuck between the two runs in no mans land. Siggi can pick his spot with the pass.
 

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Honestly Chris, I'm watching it right in front of me on a 42 inch tele, being able to rewind it right to the point where the move starts from Bale heading the ball to Sigi. Have watched half a dozen times at least, Abdebayor starts to run before Bale or even Sigi moves forward with the ball.

In the clip above Adebayor is already well on the move, out of sight to the left...and Vermaelen is going with him, but they're both running in arched way coming towards that space in your clip above. That clip there is deceptive, because its about to be occupied.
Adebayor still runs across the path closing off the gap that is there. If he didnt make that run (checks his run) to keep the defender from coming across the space is still there.

Thats the problem i have when people say Ade created the space. The Space was already there, it ust took longer to get the ball through due to the run.
 

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Honestly Chris, I'm watching it right in front of me on a 42 inch tele, being able to rewind it right to the point where the move starts from Bale heading the ball to Sigi. Have watched half a dozen times at least, Abdebayor starts to run before Bale or even Sigi moves forward with the ball.

In the clip above Adebayor is already well on the move, out of sight to the left...and Vermaelen is going with him, but they're both running in arched way coming towards that space in your clip above. That clip there is deceptive, because its about to be occupied. When they hit that area above, the space then opens up for Bale. The two runs of Adebayor and Bale is what creates that goal for me. Bale basically feeds off Adebayor's run with a clever run himself, he sees Ade bringing Vermaelen that way, and the CB then checks - stuck between the two runs in no mans land. Siggi can pick his spot with the pass.
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