Ademola Lookman

[spurs9]

I think he was sold the idea of a first team squad place, hence why he saw a lot of time on the bench at the start of the season. Also got lots of minutes in pre-season. Now he has disappeared into their EDS fallen into the pack full of other promising players that won't get a shot.

City had no clearer opportunity to promotere a very good player than Denayer who was very good on loan last season and was one of their best performers pre-season. When push came to shove they couldn't resist splurging £50m on Otamendi and packed Danayer off for another season on loan.

Roberts struggled to get mins for Fulham last season, which started with a few starts then to a few apps off the bench and ended with 3 apps off the bench (46 mins in total) in the last 22 games and he made the bench in an additional 5 of those games and he wasn't injured. He is nowhere near ready for 1st team PL football and was bought with the future in mind due to his high potential.

In regards to Denayer, playing well for the only half decent side in the Scottish league is very different then playing for a title chasing team in the PL.

Also, Iheanacho has 12 appearances off the bench, which is pretty good for a 19 of a title chasing team.

 

[dave5150]

If he is, I will be having an even lumpier bet on Colchester than I was already planning to

Hope you had that bet on Colchester!

As there's no Lookman to scout, how is Ceballos looking these days?

 

[2DogsBarker]

Hope you had that bet on Colchester!

As there's no Lookman to scout, how is Ceballos looking these days?

I don't really know where to start with this... Ceballos was useless, but then, with the exception of the keeper Pope, so was every Charlton player on the pitch.
However, this needs to given in context. Charlton are in absolute disarray. Fans fighting each other in the stand - pretty much from the start. Atmosphere was toxic. Charlton were booing their owns players, manager & board from the start. Charlton players were clearly affected and all seemed terrified of having the ball. Never seen anything like it to be honest.
Colchester hadn't won a League 1 game since October 20th yet they looked like Brazil on Saturday.
Made me realise I am very lucky to be a Yid.
As for Lookman, obviously nothing to report, except that if we want him, he should be easy to get, given the situation at Charlton, only a lunatic would want to stay there. However, I would just reiterate what I said in my original post, which is that ANYONE could stand out amongst this absolute shower of a team, so I would be very cautious about spending big money on a kid who has only played a handful of pro games in such a poor environment.

 

[JonnySpurs]

Story in the papers this morning that Arsenal are now front runners to sign him and likely to beat Man City to his signature. No mention of us whatsoever, haha! Damn tabloids!

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Not really fussed either way over this.
Whilst I'm glad we're looking to snap up the best young English talent, I believe he plays the same role as Oduwa, so happy to go in-house.

 

[2DogsBarker]

Rumours via GF via Charlton forum that CAFC have accepted an offer of £2m from AFC this afternoon.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Rumours via GF via Charlton forum that CAFC have accepted an offer of £2m from AFC this afternoon.

Swear that was from the Metro or the Sun.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Swear that was from the Metro or the Sun.

OK, I swear it was from the Metro or the Sun

 

[THFCSPURS19]

We want them this month apparently.

Jack Pitt-Brooke ‏@JackPittBrooke 38m38 minutes ago
Spurs pursuing the *next* Dele Alli, targeting three Football League teenagers. My story in tomorrow's Indy: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/dele-alli-success-leads-tottenham-to-track-three-other-youngsters-a6838101.html…

Jack Pitt-Brooke ‏@JackPittBrooke 35m35 minutes ago
The targets are Moussa Dembele at Fulham, James Maddison at Coventry and Ademola Lookman at Charlton. Like Alli, it's buy now, play later.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

I'd be happy with those three. Although I thought I read somewhere, Rico Henry from Walsall was also on the list.

 

[Hoopspur]

Maybe it's just me but I'm a little unhappy about cherry picking all the youngsters from around the lower leagues - especially if we potentially continue at this rate - if in fact we do. It will make it hard for our own youngsters to develop and we could also end up with a Chavs like situation where we have a dozen or more out on loan at the same time.

I think there needs to be a balance and it must be done for the right reasons. I understand where there may be a need within the team for a player that we think could operate within the squad or even as an understudy and I'm all for it, but just a giant vacuum cleaner is slightly dodgy imo.

 

[bceej]

Maybe it's just me but I'm a little unhappy about cherry picking all the youngsters from around the lower leagues - especially if we potentially continue at this rate - if in fact we do. It will make it hard for our own youngsters to develop and we could also end up with a Chavs like situation where we have a dozen or more out on loan at the same time.

I think there needs to be a balance and it must be done for the right reasons. I understand where there may be a need within the team for a player that we think could operate within the squad or even as an understudy and I'm all for it, but just a giant vacuum cleaner is slightly dodgy imo.

To be fair it looks like we'll play them rather than loan them. Know what you mean - hopefully we treat the clubs fairly, which by all accounts we have, at least domestically...

 

[GetSpurredOn]

There was a story from Pochettino whereby he said this would start to balance out soon.
The squad is starting to take shape, and the foundations are in. Over the next season or so, there should be a shift. Building the depth of the squad was about getting the pieces in place to build a side capable of challenging for honours, which had virtually had to be done from scratch. Once we're in the position of having a settled side, then the transfer focus will shift from stockpiling, to fine tuning with top tier additions rather than bulk buying young players.
I think the last year, plus maybe the coming year, is about getting sufficient young talent in place, to help kick start a conveyor of talent coming from the academy, ready to hit the new stadium with sufficient depth of talent, sustainable through the academy setup, supplemented by the odd significantly stellar signing.

 

[Hoopspur]

There was a story from Pochettino whereby he said this would start to balance out soon.
The squad is starting to take shape, and the foundations are in. Over the next season or so, there should be a shift. Building the depth of the squad was about getting the pieces in place to build a side capable of challenging for honours, which had virtually had to be done from scratch. Once we're in the position of having a settled side, then the transfer focus will shift from stockpiling, to fine tuning with top tier additions rather than bulk buying young players.
I think the last year, plus maybe the coming year, is about getting sufficient young talent in place, to help kick start a conveyor of talent coming from the academy, ready to hit the new stadium with sufficient depth of talent, sustainable through the academy setup, supplemented by the odd significantly stellar signing.

I really don't have a problem with this on the whole. I'm just slightly uncomfortable about us say potentially buying 3 attacking midfielders when we maybe don't have the space for them at the club and then just loaning them out. These 3 would also be competing amongst themselves. Why would we be doing this - to pick the best of the 3 and let the other 2 go, to stop others buying them, because we feel they are better than our own crop, because we are unable to identify which of the 3 has the more potential or plain just because we can? The chavs and City are criticised for doing this - not sure I want Spurs to be labelled quite in the same way. Not a heavy/throw my toys out thought though that I'm going to get majorly upset (for Baz!! ) about.

 

[Lilbaz]

I really don't have a problem with this on the whole. I'm just slightly uncomfortable about us say potentially buying 3 attacking midfielders when we maybe don't have the space for them at the club and then just loaning them out. These 3 would also be competing amongst themselves. Why would we be doing this - to pick the best of the 3 and let the other 2 go, to stop others buying them, because we feel they are better than our own crop, because we are unable to identify which of the 3 has the more potential or plain just because we can? The chavs and City are criticised for doing this - not sure I want Spurs to be labelled quite in the same way. Not a heavy/throw my toys out thought though that I'm going to get majorly upset about.

We signed alli and dier. Are you upset that this might have curtailed bentalebs or carrolls progress?

 

[Hoopspur]

We signed alli and dier. Are you upset that this might have curtailed bentalebs or carrolls progress?

Who's upset? - I even said I wasn't 'majorly'. Not at all if the priority is to buy someone someone better for that position. If though we bought 3 'prospects' for these positions and hope that they will be better in the future then I'm not so sure. As it happens I don't think Carroll is up to it and the jury is out on Bentaleb, so both their positions were or are under threat. I'm absolutely all for improving the team and reviewing and taking opportunities if they are there. I just want this to be for the right motives and not slightly scattergun. One of the great managers (I honestly don't know which one - maybe even Bill) wrote that each player coming into a team should improve that particular position by 10%. Maybe Baz you should re read my 2 notes and see that it is a slight concern and nothing I'm going to get into an argument about. Maybe I'm minorly upset then

 

[y1dk1d]

I can't see us signing Dembele, Lookman, Maddison and Henry!

 

[Lilbaz]

Who's upset? - I even said I wasn't 'majorly'. Not at all if the priority is to buy someone someone better for that position. If though we bought 3 'prospects' for these positions and hope that they will be better in the future then I'm not so sure. As it happens I don't think Carroll is up to it and the jury is out on Bentaleb, so both their positions were or are under threat. I'm absolutely all for improving the team and reviewing and taking opportunities if they are there. I just want this to be for the right motives and not slightly scattergun. One of the great managers (I honestly don't know which one - maybe even Bill) wrote that each player coming into a team should improve that particular position by 10%. Maybe Baz you should re read my 2 notes and see that it is a slight concern and nothing I'm going to get into an argument about. Maybe I'm minorly upset then

The point i was making is that we signed both alli and dier as prospects not to improve the first team. They were given their chance and now look to be englands midfield.
We are looking to do the same again. Bale was bought as a prospect. We can't afford ready made upgrades so have to take a risk. Some will turn out to be a bostok or dos santos some will hopefully be as good as alli and dier.

 

[Hoopspur]

The point i was making is that we signed both alli and dier as prospects not to improve the first team. They were given their chance and now look to be englands midfield.
We are looking to do the same again. Bale was bought as a prospect. We can't afford ready made upgrades so have to take a risk. Some will turn out to be a bostok or dos santos some will hopefully be as good as alli and dier.

Not sure I totally agree with this, as Dier was first and foremost bought as very good CH cover which we especially needed as our current ones were frankly shite, whilst there is always room for a player that will come into the first team squad which Alli was always going to do. They were identified, and in my opinion correctly, to fill holes in the first team squad and have improved it. Of course the back-up squad should be equally good also so people should be drafted in. The point I was making is the vacuum cleaner effect - hoovering them up and hope it's done for the right reason and not just because it has recently worked before.

We shall have to agree to agree, agree to disagree or disagree to agree. Whatever, It'll make no difference anyway.

 

[Richthfc79]

I can't see us signing Dembele, Lookman, Maddison and Henry!

Levy has done it before. bought lennon, dawson, reid, davenport, huddlestone & routledge as prospects in 1 or 2 windows as I seem to remember.