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Alex Pritchard - Brentford

danielneeds

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Brentford is a great fit for him I think. They try to get it down and play football. Obviously can stay in touch at Hotspur Way too.
 

Mullers

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Very disappointed he has gone out on loan again without being given the opportunity to show what he could do. I think Sherwood would have certainly given him a chance.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Really pissed off about this.

I am not saying he's guaranteed to be a first team star of the future, but he has done enough to deserve some first team experience, training, subs and cup starts. He was nominated as young player of the year last season for his league FFS. How much more has the kid got to do to get a chance.

I'd sooner watch him try (and fail if necessary) than spend another year watching Lennon do fuck all quickly.

It's not even a risk as he couldn't contribute less than Lennon.
 

Spursidol

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Really pissed off about this.

I am not saying he's guaranteed to be a first team star of the future, but he has done enough to deserve some first team experience, training, subs and cup starts. He was nominated as young player of the year last season for his league FFS. How much more has the kid got to do to get a chance.

I'd sooner watch him try (and fail if necessary) than spend another year watching Lennon do fuck all quickly.

It's not even a risk as he couldn't contribute less than Lennon.

In my humble opinion, the problem was him spending a full season at a League 1 club. He needed a higher level of football t prove his worth - either for the full season or at least from January onwards.
 

nightgoat

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Very disappointed he has gone out on loan again without being given the opportunity to show what he could do. I think Sherwood would have certainly given him a chance.

He had the perfect opportunity to give him a chance in our last two meaningless games of the season, but only gave him seven minutes.
 

yankspurs

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FA's standardised rules, section 6.6 for temporary transfers (loans).
I'd post a link but it simply leads to your computer downloading a PDF-file, so I'll save you the trouble.

"6.6.3 Long Term Loan Transfers – [A Conference National Club may have up to eight (8) Long
Term Loan Transfers per season, a maximum of which four (4) must be aged 23 or under on
30 June prior to the start of the Playing Season, and a maximum of four (4) aged over 23 on
30 June prior to the start of the Playing Season. Conference North and Conference South]
Clubs may have up to a maximum of four (4) Long Term Loan Transfers of any age during a
Playing Season.
Long Term Loan Transfers shall be for a full Playing Season; or from any date prior to 31st
August to any date between 1st and 31st January; or from any date between 1st and 31st
January (the January transfer window) to the end of the Playing Season.
A Player on Long Term Loan may not be recalled, except for a goalkeeper or where the
Player is to be transferred permanently by the Club (or club) holding his registered
contract. A Player other than a goalkeeper so recalled cannot be permitted to play for the
Club (or club) holding his registration after such recall until the end of the Playing Season.

Players so recalled can only be replaced by a further Long Term Loan with permission from
the Company. Long Term Loan Transfers will not count against the number of Short Term
Loan Transfers.
To extend the period of any long term loan transfer a further National League System
Temporary Transfer Form or FA form H3 must be completed and copies sent as directed
above.
The Competition shall not approve more than two (2) Long Term Loan transfers to or from
any one club, including Premier League and Football League Clubs, at any one time."
Lets say there was an injury and we needed Pritchard. You're essentially saying that we would have to buy a replacement instead of just recalling a player we own who has a break clause built into the loan to play him. The FA would make a club buy another player even if they wanted to recall a player they own and save that purchase money? I doubt that.

IIRC, the reason we couldnt recall Townsend from QPR when Bale got hurt is because there was no break clause included in the terms of the loan.
 

danielneeds

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Really pissed off about this.

I am not saying he's guaranteed to be a first team star of the future, but he has done enough to deserve some first team experience, training, subs and cup starts. He was nominated as young player of the year last season for his league FFS. How much more has the kid got to do to get a chance.

I'd sooner watch him try (and fail if necessary) than spend another year watching Lennon do fuck all quickly.

It's not even a risk as he couldn't contribute less than Lennon.
I'm of the opinion that the best thing for him is as many minutes of professional football as possible at this age, he'll learn much more about himself playing 40 games in the Championship than a few Europa appearances against part-timers and the odd sub appearance.

Your plan doesn't take into account the player himself - you get the odd phenomenon who's self belief is cast iron, but most young players' confidence is a fragile thing and just spending a year playing in reserve fixtures and hanging around can do as much damage as being thrown in too early.

I think the loan system has worked really well for us in the last couple of years - but it has to be the right fit for all parties.
 

Krafty

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Lets say there was an injury and we needed Pritchard. You're essentially saying that we would have to buy a replacement instead of just recalling a player we own who has a break clause built into the loan to play him. The FA would make a club buy another player even if they wanted to recall a player they own and save that purchase money? I doubt that.

IIRC, the reason we couldnt recall Townsend from QPR when Bale got hurt is because there was no break clause included in the terms of the loan.

As I understand it, loans between PL clubs are for a season, and if the player is recalled he cannot play for the Parent club in the PL. However, if a PL team loans a player to a different league, then they can recall and play the player, assuming he is registered.
 

Krafty

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I'm of the opinion that the best thing for him is as many minutes of professional football as possible at this age, he'll learn much more about himself playing 40 games in the Championship than a few Europa appearances against part-timers and the odd sub appearance.

Your plan doesn't take into account the player himself - you get the odd phenomenon who's self belief is cast iron, but most young players' confidence is a fragile thing and just spending a year playing in reserve fixtures and hanging around can do as much damage as being thrown in too early.

I think the loan system has worked really well for us in the last couple of years - but it has to be the right fit for all parties.

I think, ultimately, he might not quite make it, but it is definitely better he gets games than sits well down the pecking order to play one half in a Carling cup game. With us having a big squad full of internationals, it is very unlikely Pritchard would get the chance to impress for us, let alone cement a first team squad position, so I agree with you that the loan move is a good move.
 

nightgoat

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Brentford is a great fit for him I think. They try to get it down and play football. Obviously can stay in touch at Hotspur Way too.

Outside of a PL loan I think this is about as good a loan move for him as we could get. He'll be playing for a team that for the most part plays good football, and at a level higher than last season. He should get regular games as wide forwards isn't their strongest area, and Mark Warburton should have seen a fair bit of him from last season and his performances for us in the Next Gen.
 

Bus-Conductor

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I'm of the opinion that the best thing for him is as many minutes of professional football as possible at this age, he'll learn much more about himself playing 40 games in the Championship than a few Europa appearances against part-timers and the odd sub appearance.

Your plan doesn't take into account the player himself - you get the odd phenomenon who's self belief is cast iron, but most young players' confidence is a fragile thing and just spending a year playing in reserve fixtures and hanging around can do as much damage as being thrown in too early.

I think the loan system has worked really well for us in the last couple of years - but it has to be the right fit for all parties.


He's done that though. been packed off, done really well (last season and the previous). He's now 21, he needs to be tested.

I don't understand how a team who gives Lennon 28 games a season can be scared of giving Pritchard 10-15 games between the league, Euro and domestic cup.

I think right now that, and regularly being involved in and around the first team squad, learning from them etc, would be more beneficial than spending another 12 months schlepping around with the shit kickers of the Championship.
 

mpickard2087

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He's done that though. been packed off, done really well (last season and the previous). He's now 21, he needs to be tested.

I don't understand how a team who gives Lennon 28 games a season can be scared of giving Pritchard 10-15 games between the league, Euro and domestic cup.

I think right now that, and regularly being involved in and around the first team squad, learning from them etc, would be more beneficial than spending another 12 months schlepping around with the shit kickers of the Championship.

This, but also... Even if they did decide to loan him out in the end, at least give the kid the pre-season in and around the first team and put him up against some of his rivals and properly assess him.

Not meant as absolute criticism, but it is a bit disappointing start from Pochettino. However we have seen the likes of Mason, Falque, Ceballos etc. right in the thick of training, so maybe things will still get shaken up a bit and others are given a shot.
 

spurs9

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Very disappointed he has gone out on loan again without being given the opportunity to show what he could do. I think Sherwood would have certainly given him a chance.
He had the chance to at the end of the season when we had nothing to play for and he gave him 7 mins in the 3 games he was eligible.
 

spurs9

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FA's standardised rules, section 6.6 for temporary transfers (loans).
I'd post a link but it simply leads to your computer downloading a PDF-file, so I'll save you the trouble.

"6.6.3 Long Term Loan Transfers – [A Conference National Club may have up to eight (8) Long
Term Loan Transfers per season, a maximum of which four (4) must be aged 23 or under on
30 June prior to the start of the Playing Season, and a maximum of four (4) aged over 23 on
30 June prior to the start of the Playing Season. Conference North and Conference South]
Clubs may have up to a maximum of four (4) Long Term Loan Transfers of any age during a
Playing Season.
Long Term Loan Transfers shall be for a full Playing Season; or from any date prior to 31st
August to any date between 1st and 31st January; or from any date between 1st and 31st
January (the January transfer window) to the end of the Playing Season.
A Player on Long Term Loan may not be recalled, except for a goalkeeper or where the
Player is to be transferred permanently by the Club (or club) holding his registered
contract. A Player other than a goalkeeper so recalled cannot be permitted to play for the
Club (or club) holding his registration after such recall until the end of the Playing Season.

Players so recalled can only be replaced by a further Long Term Loan with permission from
the Company. Long Term Loan Transfers will not count against the number of Short Term
Loan Transfers.
To extend the period of any long term loan transfer a further National League System
Temporary Transfer Form or FA form H3 must be completed and copies sent as directed
above.
The Competition shall not approve more than two (2) Long Term Loan transfers to or from
any one club, including Premier League and Football League Clubs, at any one time."
That is in reference to loans with no recall clause. We have recalled players from loan in the past such as Smith when at Leeds.
 

Mullers

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He had the perfect opportunity to give him a chance in our last two meaningless games of the season, but only gave him seven minutes.
He had the chance to at the end of the season when we had nothing to play for and he gave him 7 mins in the 3 games he was eligible.
We still had points to play for and 7 minutes is better than nothing at all.
 

nightgoat

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We still had points to play for and 7 minutes is better than nothing at all.

Laughable. Cardiff and Fulham 'still had points to play for'. Seven minutes was better than nothing in the same way that 30 seconds would have been better than nothing - a token gesture with virtually no time or chance to have any kind of impact on a game that was almost at a standstill by then.
 

yanno

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He's done that though. been packed off, done really well (last season and the previous). He's now 21, he needs to be tested.

I don't understand how a team who gives Lennon 28 games a season can be scared of giving Pritchard 10-15 games between the league, Euro and domestic cup.

I think right now that, and regularly being involved in and around the first team squad, learning from them etc, would be more beneficial than spending another 12 months schlepping around with the shit kickers of the Championship.

Reflecting on the Seattle match, where Ceballos had an enouraging run-out, I note that the Spaniard and Pritchard are both 21 years old. Ceballos is slightly older (December 92 as opposed to May 93), but Pritchard had the better loan spell last season.

I wonder if Poch looked at them both in the first few days of training, and decided at this stage of their careers Ceballos had more to offer in the system he wanted to play, whilst Pritchard was better off getting a contract extention and a loan to the Championship.

Personally, I wish Poch had kept them both around at least for pre-season to judge who was more likely to be an effective squad (Europa / cups) player. But I hope Grey Fox's ITK was correct, and the likes of Bentaleb, Falque (who had a very good loan spell in La Liga), Carroll, Ceballos, Veljkovic and co get some chances.

And, crucially, get to benefit from Poch's coaching as praised by Schneiderlin here.
 

edson

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Just got back from the Barnet game he played 61min,he played OK nothing outstanding but a good 6 rating setting up one goal,Brentford won 5-1.They give him a free role and they play very good football that will suit his game.
 
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