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foxilator

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What are you going to do with your season ticket? Sure there are plenty of people who would take it off your hands for a reasonable price.
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
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That was a good post and although I don't agree with all of it I do fear that Levy is only interested in making money when he buys these "up and coming" stars.
I'd 'fear' it if he was pocketing the profits...but he's not, it's all being reinvested in the club.
 

pavvychenks

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I don't think our business model has changed, nor could change, unless we drastically increased our income and/or our reputation. Since the dark days of the 90s, and essentially since Sol, we have developed a system of bringing in prospects, trying to succeed with them, and then selling them if they are too good or too bad vs our achievements as a team. There have been high points when it looked like we might be good enough not to have to sell a winning team (Bale/Modric/King/VdV) but also points when we have been a bit bereft (post-Berbatov before Modric's emergence for example, or after we sold Carrick, or indeed last season). I have always wanted a manager who can instill a sense of hard work and commitment, alongside sexy football. Poch seems to fit that bill, time will tell, but my lord give him time at least. We can't abandon the club as lost three league games into a new manager's reign when our material circumstances with regards to the establishment PL oligopolists haven't changed.

I do think we should have gone all out for a goalscorer when we made the CL. It is pretty amazing that we only bought VdV. I can only assume the money wasn't there. Or that neither Harry nor Levy had the vision.

I would also have liked to sign Moutinho under AVB, or indeed Schneiderlin this time around, as supportive acts to back the manager. But if the money isn't there or the deal isn't on, and it seems very much like the deal for MS was not at all on, then so be it.

Basically you're a Spurs fan. Getting upset about not being a top four club is like throwing a tantrum because you weren't born with the citizenship you would have wanted. Back the team and try to enjoy yourself. It isn't a personal insult to you, nor a reflection of you as a person, that the team lose every now and then. Chin up big man.
 

NeverRed

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I'm looking on the bright side. There'll never be a better opportunity for a true fan who wishes to retain his sanity to make a break for it. [...]

Only the blind can now avoid the obvious truth that Levy has for some time had no real ambition to push the club forward, get top 4, or come to that to that to actually get a stadium built. His only ambition is to make as much profit on a sale as possible, which is, he now calculates, is best achieved by investing as little as possible into the club while keeping it poised where it is... [...]

Spurs since 1969, over and out.

I understand you've invested a lot of emotion, money and time yourself into your club (since 1969 thats 50+ years, making you probably at least 60) and you need to let go a little. You probably come to the right conclusion for your salvation, but for the wrong reasons.

I'm going to help you out now...

- Twats in oversized caps, sporting hair bands, men, competing all dressed in pink with yellow boots, are paid obscene amounts of money (average wage 31k per week, top wages approaching now 300k, 21 year olds on 80k per week)...
- Organisations charge through the roof to target market that roughly earns the weekly amount of a player in the year, not to mention splashing cash far and beyond the working class world's means...
- The pitches a top-flight club plays on probably have more money spent on them to be maintained than charaties recieve from them...
- And think of how much money an organisation like sky gets for subscriptions. To basically chuck mind numbing shit at your brain 99% of the time through 99% of their channels...
- The one thing to like about Arsenal is their transfer/player model, and still being up near the top. Spurs are not that far behind in that respect either. So ok, just the owners get richer in these more correct models instead of you being treated to more twats in caps on obscene money, but at least those more correctly modeled clubs aren't peeing and pooing into the massive cesspit industry that is ultimately about 22 men kicking dead animal skin around grass...

And then there's you: Flipping out, wailing and bitching and wanting to run for the hills because a club you've chosen to support doesn't spend as obscenely as the rest did, instead actually spending based on sales. I would do some deep introspection on my soul if I was you.

Why not go support the under 21s. At least then your watching spoilt brats sold false hopes, 98% failing to reach their rightful level in their chosen industry, 40% having a life completely fucked as they have no plan b for life when the industry spits them out before they've got both feet grounded in it, while others in the right places at the right times or the right connections, often with less talent, make it and get paid more in a year than they will ever receive. At least your getting a little closer to reality in this world then moaning because your favourite club didn't splash out £15m plus on a player on the last day of the transfer window.

All this is slightly tongue in cheek of course, but you probably need to hear a different perspective.
 
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myhartlane

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I understand you've invested a lot of emotion, money and time yourself into your club (since 1969 thats 50+ years, making you probably at least 60) and you need to let go a little. You probably come to the right conclusion for your salvation, but for the wrong reasons.

I'm going to help you out now...

Twats in oversized caps, or sporting hair bands and all dressed in pink are paid obscene amounts of money (average wage 31k per week, top wages approaching now 300k, 21 year olds on 80k per week). Organisations charge through the roof to target market that roughly earns the weekly amount of a player in the year, not to mention splashing cash far and beyond the working class world's means...

The one thing I like about Arsenal is their transfer/player model, and still being up near the top. Spurs are not that far behind in that respect either. So ok, just the owners get richer in those models, but at least it's peeing and pooing into the massive cesspit that is the industry of kicking animal skin around grass... The grass they play on in the top flights probably had more money spend on it to be maintained by a club than charaties get from it... And think of how much money an organisation like sky gets for subscriptions. To basically chuck mind numbing shit at your brain 99% of the time through 99% of their channels.

And then there's you: Flipping out, wailing and bitching and wanting to run for the hills because a club you've chosen to support doesn't spend as obscenely as the rest did, instead actually spending based on sales. I would do some deep introspection on my sole if I was you.

Why not go support the under 21s. At least then your watching spoilt brats sold false hopes, 98% failing to reach their rightful level in their chosen industry, 40% having a life completely fucked as they have no plan b for life when the industry spits them out before they've got both feet grounded in it, while others in the right places at the right times or the right connections, often with less talent, make it and get paid more in a year than they will ever receive. At least your getting a little closer to reality in this world then moaning because your favourite club didn't splash out £15m plus on a player on the last day of the transfer window.

All this is slightly tongue in cheek of course, but you probably need to hear a different perspective.

Nicely put. That just about sums it up.
 

CosmicHotspur

Better a wag than a WAG
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You've made your decision but IMO a true supporter couldn't do it. It would be like cutting off an arm or a leg.

I can understand the frustration and despair you feel (don't we all at times) but for me real support means 100% loyalty through the good and bad times. You've certainly seen some good times since 1969 and should relish those. We know things have changed, especially with football as much a business as a sport. It's ultra-competitive and aiming for the top is never going to be an easy or inexpensive ride. There are no guarantees.

There are changes in the game that I really don't like but I'm grateful for the good times and the thrills Tottenham Hotspur have afforded me and am always hopeful that success will come our way again. I watched the Double side (and before) and will always be grateful to Spurs that I was there to witness such wonderful football.

I support Spurs and what the proud history of the club stands for and that's in my blood and can never change. The badge will indeed always be bigger than any of the club's personnel and players and that's where my love and loyalty for the club lies. I could never give my support to another team.

You may well be taking a sneaky look at the scorelines and regret your decision at times and ultimately it's your choice of course. It's sad that you are so disillusioned and hope you'll reconsider when the anger has subsided.
 

Deeyal

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I can understand the frustration. I think football is pretty obscene these days. I mean that's obvious but it's gone to a whole new level of ridiculousness in recent times and how the hell do we catch up unless we sell out? We had such a window of opportunity when we got in to the CL a few years back, I can't imagine many thought we weren't on to great things at that stage.

My interest is definitely waning I can admit that. Always a Spurs fan, but fucking hell a meaningful trophy would be nice for a change.

Totally Agree on the Champions league front. It's also bizarre how we go from one extreme to another. For the first time ever we qualify for the top European competition, but It definitely felt like Levy really missed an opportunity to strengthen our squad when we really needed it. For a long time we were looking for a decent striker, but Levy didn't want to Spend 20m+ on such at player, which these days is what a decent striker is likely to cost.
 

JoeT

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Totally Agree on the Champions league front. It's also bizarre how we go from one extreme to another. For the first time ever we qualify for the top European competition, but It definitely felt like Levy really missed an opportunity to strengthen our squad when we really needed it. For a long time we were looking for a decent striker, but Levy didn't want to Spend 20m+ on such at player, which these days is what a decent striker is likely to cost.
We could have landed Danny Welbeck for £1 million.
 

Roscilous

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Definition of a football supporter;

A person who is actively interested in and wishes success for a particular sports team.

I will support Spurs no matter who is in charge, who is manager, or who wears the shirt.
 

parj

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Jul 27, 2003
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I'm not asking us to make a loss. I'm asking us to spend some of our ever increasing revenue.
Even wet sham, palace and stoke do that.
Christ, look at Hull ffs, they had a tremendous window for such a tiny club!

But if we signed the players Hull have, would we be happy? Are they the calibre we need? There are plenty of those players around, in fact, we got rid of two of them yesterday, and Hull already have Huddlestone and Livermore from us.

just to be clear, im not going after you, just trying to maintain the conversation of two different views.
 

parj

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One less moany bastard on the forum. A lot of these "Fans" need to go back and watch videos of the 90's and early 2000's before MJ took over. We were rubbish a lot of the time and had a team of Tremazani's, Calderwells, Nethercotts, Dozells, Vega's etc. We were terrible, finishing in the top 8 was a big achievement and European football was something you watched Man UTD and Arsenal play in a chunky backed TV. To my mind its only under the current ownership that we've kicked on and been consistent in any way shape or form. We've not Yoyo'd we've kept a strong consistent squad and had some very good players both past and present.

Unfortunately not everyone has seen us when we were pony and sponsored by them and not everyone remembers what European exile is like.

Please show some restraint and calm down.

OMG, i forgot the Dozell...now im getting memories of Jason Cundy, David Kerslake and Andy Sinton!! Oh lord, Ruel Fox! How can fans not see the progress? I think we should go and sign those calibre of players again so some fans can remember the really dark days.
 

yido_number1

He'll always be magic
Jun 8, 2004
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OMG, i forgot the Dozell...now im getting memories of Jason Cundy, David Kerslake and Andy Sinton!! Oh lord, Ruel Fox! How can fans not see the progress? I think we should go and sign those calibre of players again so some fans can remember the really dark days.

I didnt slate sinton and fox because they were considered good players for us at the time! I guess that just goes to show how bad we were. I still loved it and watching the one good player we generally had like Sheringham, Ginola, Klinsmann and Anderton etc (Scraping to find more genuinely class) made it exciting.

We are infinitely better run and funded and spoilt for quality on the pitch. Even are average to poor players are better than anything we used to have and big upgrades for the clubs outside of the top 6.
 

parj

NDombelly ate all the pies
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I didnt slate sinton and fox because they were considered good players for us at the time! I guess that just goes to show how bad we were. I still loved it and watching the one good player we generally had like Sheringham, Ginola, Klinsmann and Anderton etc (Scraping to find more genuinely class) made it exciting.

We are infinitely better run and funded and spoilt for quality on the pitch. Even are average to poor players are better than anything we used to have and big upgrades for the clubs outside of the top 6.

and thats the progress we are making. We have to remember our small stadium has to be able to fund the wages. somehow we do it. the next level requires the stadium. Thats where Levy is annoying me. Would much prefer he comes out and gives a real update that means something on the real status of where we are. Spurs cant move forward without it unless some Angolan oil tycoon takes us over!
 

the shelf

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At the end of the day we are the sixth richest club in England and therefore by proxy, sixth should be our position. Anything above and we have over-achieved, anything lower and we have under-achieved. We have spent accordingly to our status, it may be depressing to see others spend more but that's where we are. A reality check is in order.
 

JoeT

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I share 'greaves4FR's' sentiments as far as Chairman Levy's apparent aim of money-making prioritizing more than producing a really top-class football team, and the fact that this attitude has prevailed when the team was so close to CL qualification at times.....it's almost more frustrating than being a mid-table team.
I believe this has also disappointed many Managers under Levy and might be one of the primary reasons why so many have left the club; in fact Spur's frequent soap-operatic managerial crises are becoming a bit of a joke in the league..and are beginning to make the hiring of any tong-term-thinking Managerial talent more difficult
Also so many on here have recalled the days when Spurs were a pretty terrible team and use this to try to compare the current situation as being not too bad. Well I can also remember when Spurs were a very good team, good enough to win both the old First Division and the F.A. Cup in one season. Why don't more of you (dare) to compare those times to the current situation we have going now?
I am aware that nowadays money, big money talks and Spurs are no longer one of the 'Big Boys', but Spurs Official Site; stop telling us that we are, and stop lying to us about what players you are supposedly going to sign, or are interested in.
Tell us the truth; maybe it won't be so annoyingly frustrating.
 

postigol

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We spent £100m on players last year. Levy could have kept the Bale money and spent half, but he spent the whole lot. In my opinion we have made five good signings this window in defensive positions which is something we had to do. Now Pochettino has to work hard on getting the best out of Townsend, Chadli, Lamela and Soldado who all have ability. That is what is he is getting paid for.

I believe Levy wants the best for the club and he knows the new stadium is the key to that with FFP coming in.

If we had beat Liverpool on Sunday this post would probably not be here.
This.

We invested heavily in attack last year (Lamela £30m, Paulinho £17m, Soldado £26m, Chadli £7m, Erikssen £13m) with just lip service to a creaking defence. The biggest problem was LB all season but after that depth (and thus lack of competition) across defence and lack of pace were also issues. This window has resolved that and our GK conundrum with some good bits of business. It's now down to the management team to get our investment in attacking players made last summer to work. Certainly Chadli and Lamela already look brighter and the others should get a chance.
 
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