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And it's goodbye from nobody in particular, just another disillusioned fan

myhartlane

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I think they reinvested the money from their sales this off season and their lunatic Chairman is hardly a skint individual who invests his own money.

Joe has never done that.

Right, I wasn't clear on the context. I guess if the chairman is rich and mad enough to do that then fair play to him and his club. As we know, it's a precarious position for a football club to be in.

For the long term security of our club, I'm grateful for Lewis and Levy's financially responsible approach.
 

alamo

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Sometimes the old emotions kick in and you have to have a release for it. There's almost no doubt that the guy will calm down and carry on, like we all do. But instead of a few posts to a fellow Spur telling him to not be so daft and keep his chin up it's met with a rush from the "i'm a better fan than you" brigade to put the boot in.

Nice one.

There is a world of difference between feeling bad over a crappy result and the OTT melodramatic overtone and sentiment of the article.

So sorry A&C but my boot remains in.

That said you have very successfully made me feel guilty for not being more supportive. To alleviate said guilt I will cough up 20 quid to the SC coffers as soon as I get home.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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Right, I wasn't clear on the context. I guess if the chairman is rich and mad enough to do that then fair play to him and his club. As we know, it's a precarious position for a football club to be in.

For the long term security of our club, I'm grateful for Lewis and Levy's financially responsible approach.


Good point. But their conservative management i believe has more to due with what the club is worth when the time comes to cash their chips in (which i think will happen after the new stadium gets built) than having the best interests of the club at heart.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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OTT or whatever, it doesn't take much to be supportive, we all feel the pain in different ways.

But thanks for the £20!
 

jolsnogross

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It was an interesting read and I'd say a lot of us have been there. But it's easier said than done to just let it all go. It's more likely that the original poster will just not get as emotionally involved as before and still keep an eye on us and watch some games. I've certainly become a bit more distant than when I was a youngfella and a younger adult. It drops on the list of stuff that matters and it's really not worth getting wound up about because many a weekend can be ruined and your family shouldn't have to put up with it from a grown up!

I think there's far too much focus on Levy and personalities in general. And a bit too much on the transfer scene too - we spend plenty on players.

The main thing is the entertainment value of the footy, and that's been pretty atrocious since we let Harry go and let AVB take the reigns. If the team could just attack more consistently and actually create chances, then I think everyone would be a bit happier. I hope Poch is true to his word, but the Liverpool game dented my confidence in that. He seems a bit overlay AVB-esque and doesn't commit to attacking football enough. It's early days for him, so hopefully he just gets us back on track toward attacking footy and not enter every game trying to be too tactical not lose rather than win.
 

SA_Spurs

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greaves, its a sad day when a fan decides enough is enough and whilst I can empathize with you on some fronts I disagree on so many others. It's not job to slag you off or neg rep you, instead I will share my own thoughts and in the hope they help you understand the way you feel.

Am I annoyed we haven't won anything for years? - hell yes! Am I annoyed we seem to miss out on players we need? definitely! Am I annoyed at Levy's brinkmanship? Who isn't? Am I annoyed we got beat by scouser filth? You betcha!

Let's face it, as spurs fans we go through more than our fair share of downs & comedy (lasagna-gate...pedro mendes goal at trafford, we buying rivaldo etc etc). Yet, something inside me burns brightly for spurs..maybe its the the way we have played football over the years, the many iconic players we have had at the lane, the sometimes crazy managerial appointments we've made...we are not perfect, we do not try to be...but in the words of Alex Ferguson, "you know Daniel Levy, he's different" and let's be honest, he's the man at the helm and we are definitely different right now! I embrace that difference - there can be no good without any bad! For a long time I wished we had been bought by a russian or sheik tycoon ...but guess what? I would never trade the proud traditions or ethos of our club for money mercenaries. Sure, it's easy to be a man city fan ...instant success, just add money (just like chelsea) but how much joy can they take knowing that when sheik mansour gets bored, he's gonna sell up and it's back to mediocrity - how will they cope then?

I've always felt we're a well run club who's punched above our weight (the media & us the fans never give spurs credit for that). Last year we sold Elvis & bought the beatles and we took a beating in the media when the football was crap. Liverpool did the same this year but before a ball was kicked, they were made out to be smart. It's how it is ...ignore it & move on.

Right, time to get to the point:
1) don't believe the media spin & hype
2) A true fan sees the ups & downs - today you're more down than ever...a few weeks from now you see a Lamela hat trick against the goons and guess what?
3) Sport will never be one way traffic ....the wheel turns ..Australia cricket was so dominant a few years back ..they got beat by Zimbabwe the other day...look at Utd today - a joke from 2 seasons ago EPL champs.
4) We will always be the underdog ...but its that very mentality that makes spurs so unpredictable & brilliant to support!
5) we will do it ....but by god...we will do it OUR way!

I have belief that we'll get there, maybe not this season or the next but it will come. In the meantime, i'll be happy to support spurs irrespective of the drama & comedy ...you know why? As another poster said ...

Spurs chose me! I fell in love with the lilywhites and glenn hoddle..with the unbridled passion and craziness of Gazza, the guile of Ginola, smarts of Teddy, the power of Bale etc ...this club has had a bunch of amazing players through the years that have played with true spurs spirit ...GLORY. That's good enough for me and one day I hope it will once again become good enough for you! Till then, the rest of us crazy spurs fans will keep your seat warm ...and cheer in your place ...eagerly awaiting your return!
 

myhartlane

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Good point. But their conservative management i believe has more to due with what the club is worth when the time comes to cash their chips in (which i think will happen after the new stadium gets built) than having the best interests of the club at heart.

Hmm, but as we can see, the two objectives are not mutually exclusive (unless of course they sell to a nutter).
 

Arnoldtoo

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It's all very well having a rant, feeling disillusioned, seeing no hope under some regime or other, despairing even. The bad times may even massively outweigh the good ones, though hod knows it's worse for most clubs. But that's not the point. We all support Spurs, and in the words of the song ...

You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
 

guate

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I also agree with what you say greaves4FR and while admiring our bean counter's ability to keep the books in order am fed up to the teeth with his meddling in football matters, particularly the constant hiring and firing of managers who have not and never will receive the support required in bringing in the players they want in order to challenge for the top 4 requirement set by said bean counter.
Neither am I capable either of giving up on the only constant in my life for the last 57 years and therefore I wait and hope, as many of us do, that the "wheeler dealer" dwarf and his cronies (a nickname that he has earned far more than any past manager) get fed up with their pet project and sell the club to someone with sufficient interest and money to actually take us forward in the manner the club and its incredible fans deserve.
 

myhartlane

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It's all very well having a rant, feeling disillusioned, seeing no hope under some regime or other, despairing even. The bad times may even massively outweigh the good ones, though hod knows it's worse for most clubs. But that's not the point. We all support Spurs, and in the words of the song ...

You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

Master of Puppets probably sums up my relationship with Tottenham:

Master of puppets, I'm pulling your strings
Twisting your mind, and smashing your dreams
Blinded by me, you can't see a thing
Just call my name, cause I'll hear you scream
Master, master Tottenham, Tottenham
Just call my name, cause I'll hear you scream
Master, master, master Tottenham, Tottenham, Tottenham
 

RickyVilla

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It's all very well having a rant, feeling disillusioned, seeing no hope under some regime or other, despairing even. The bad times may even massively outweigh the good ones, though hod knows it's worse for most clubs. But that's not the point. We all support Spurs, and in the words of the song ...

You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

He does that's why he is trying to help out poor little QPR.
 

tomo

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I think you make some valid points and for some people on here to start having a go at you for sharing your opinion just shows that there are a few prats amongst out ranks.

Levy has shown serious signs of ambition over the years but my main gripe with him is that he has sometimes failed to strengthen in key areas at key times, and pay a few extra quid when asked, which has seen us fall short just when we looked like consistently breaking through. (The money he spent last season was a fluke brought on by GBs exit and not a change in policy).

The fact I am bombarded with club marketing collateral every other day and things like the deal he made with stub hub as well as increasing ticket prices grate a little as it just all seems to be aimed at rinsing your cash from you.

But we all know that running a football club is something that can go financially tits up at any point so I appreciate that he has come in and steadied the ship.
I am willing to continue to go along with it and put my faith in the new manager. I appreciate that Levy needs to focus a lot our financial resource on a new stadium so can understand the current transfer policy (profit).

However if the new stadium continues to stall and if I hear the phrase '5 year plan' many more times then I think it will start to feel like this is a never ending cycle of 'almost but not quite'.

I'd never stop supporting the club or watching the team but if the majority of fans start getting pissed off then Levy will be in a spot of bother.

On another note my main beef is with Redknapp. He got us playing some great football but to not lead that team to higher than 4th is a piss take really. He fucked it more than anyone when he lost that 12 point lead to the Arse.
 

WestBelfast Spurs

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we will be here when you come back and you will come back, this is your club this is where your heart belongs even if its hurting at the moment!!
 
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I can understand the frustration, but it's misdirected. Unless we get an Abramovich-type chairman, or Man City-type owners we are never going to be able to compete at the very top level - which is to say for the League Title or regular Champion's League football.

As plenty of others have pointed out, football at this level is all about money - whether dished out by owners or earned through gate receipts from 60,000 seater stadiums or massive worldwide marketing incomes (none of these revenue streams are enjoyed by us). Those who can afford to spend zillions and wriggle their way around FFP are the ones who will come out on top 9 times out of 10.

The sad truth is that we can only hope to win the odd cup, or at least come higher in the league than our wage bill suggests we should. There are about 10 teams in the Premier League who can barely hope to do that.

Levy deserves credit in my view for turning us into a regular top five side (after years in the doldrums with dodgy finances). His true test will be whether he can get our new stadium built and how he uses the greatly increased revenue that that will bring.
 

VinVega

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I understand you've invested a lot of emotion, money and time yourself into your club (since 1969 thats 50+ years, making you probably at least 60) and you need to let go a little. You probably come to the right conclusion for your salvation, but for the wrong reasons.

I'm going to help you out now...

- Twats in oversized caps, sporting hair bands, men, competing all dressed in pink with yellow boots, are paid obscene amounts of money (average wage 31k per week, top wages approaching now 300k, 21 year olds on 80k per week)...
- Organisations charge through the roof to target market that roughly earns the weekly amount of a player in the year, not to mention splashing cash far and beyond the working class world's means...
- The pitches a top-flight club plays on probably have more money spent on them to be maintained than charaties recieve from it...
- And think of how much money an organisation like sky gets for subscriptions. To basically chuck mind numbing shit at your brain 99% of the time through 99% of their channels...
- The one thing to like about Arsenal is their transfer/player model, and still being up near the top. Spurs are not that far behind in that respect either. So ok, just the owners get richer in these more correct models instead of you being treated to more twats in caps on obscene money, but at least those more correctly modeled clubs aren't peeing and pooing into the massive cesspit industry that is ultimately about 22 men kicking dead animal skin around grass...

And then there's you: Flipping out, wailing and bitching and wanting to run for the hills because a club you've chosen to support doesn't spend as obscenely as the rest did, instead actually spending based on sales. I would do some deep introspection on my sole if I was you.

Why not go support the under 21s. At least then your watching spoilt brats sold false hopes, 98% failing to reach their rightful level in their chosen industry, 40% having a life completely fucked as they have no plan b for life when the industry spits them out before they've got both feet grounded in it, while others in the right places at the right times or the right connections, often with less talent, make it and get paid more in a year than they will ever receive. At least your getting a little closer to reality in this world then moaning because your favourite club didn't splash out £15m plus on a player on the last day of the transfer window.

All this is slightly tongue in cheek of course, but you probably need to hear a different perspective.

Patronizing prick. All we want is for the manager to be backed by the chairman, time and time again Levy fails to do this. We end up with cheap 3rd choices. At the very least he could sign ONE of the managers targets..just one, is that too much? Is that going to bankrupt the club?! Now Levy's left MP up shit creek, just like AVB. And as a result of this, will anyone be suprised when MP is sacked in 12 months?!
If anything we have a weaker team this year than last. What happens when we get those inevitable long term injuys we always seem to get? We've sold Siggy and loaned Holtby, what happens when Eriksen or Lamela get injured? who provides the link up? What happens when Ade goes ACN? Can we rely on Kane, Soldado?
Realistically, we have six or seven players in the squad that just aint good enough, and another six or seven with no heart, that cant be relied on..especially in the big games! I fear this season is going to be much the same as last.. i really feel for MP, but at the same time i dont..he should have seen this coming.
 

strader

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don't worry he will be back, I know the feeling and there is no better place to be than SC when your beloved club leys you down.

Nice read though, just lower your expectations and take a few deep breaths. Then you start enjoying it again, win, lose or draw.

PS: The match day threads provides the best form of therapy for lonney bins, start with that section of the site.
 

ultimateloner

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I still don't understand why you think the club's interest is to serve its fans. Until enough fans genuinely switch off (from tv revenue, stadium, merchandise, everything) the club wont care what the fans think.
 

Donki

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I simply don't get his kind of supporter.
 
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