Andre Gomes

[TheAmerican]

There's a player in there. He was being chased by Juventus, Madrid, United, etc. 2 seasons ago. He has went from 30+ appearances in La Liga to only 16 this last year. He could become better with some confidence and playing time. If anyone can pull that player out of him that was present at Valencia, it is Poch.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/4mi00w/manchester_united_have_bid_45m_15m_add_ons_to/

FFS, he even transitioned his team well against Madrid while being managed by GARY NEVILLE


I don't think he's perfect but it's not all doom and gloom to sign him. It seems as though the club have not identified CM as a priority (seems to be a wide forward); he is at least a player of whom we don't have similar to.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Might as well pack the forum in. Sounds like the only member should be Mauricio Pochettino.

I don't think it's arrogance at all, in fact I think those who agree with him no matter what are dumb. Do not forget, this is the guy who wanted Moussa Sissoko. We don't think Poch is some fucking moron, we just don't think he's perfect and there's areas for improvement.

As for the specifics behind the midfield stuff. There's a clear reason for his midfield choices and our tactics. Poch wants safety first, he wants the midfield to keep the ball and not give it away presumably to minimise counter attacking opportunities. That is evident when you watch us play.Keep possession, keep things solid, and eventually Eriksen/Alli will get on the ball and create something seems to be what he wants.

I happen to disagree with that because I think you can have your cake and eat it like Guardiola's City do. They keep the ball but they play it forward too. With the right personnel, there's absolutely no reason why we can't do that too and the benefits of doing so are there for all to see, breaking down the anti-football sides and the bus parkers with sharp passing and more spaces for Alli and Eriksen to do damage. It's also better against pressing teams because you have players who don't fucking shit themselves when pressed, they actually beat it with one incisive pass or quick turn. I also think playing in this way with more technical midfield players is conducive to an attractive style of football in my opinion.

Instead of coming up with rational counter arguments people are just saying Poch is doing it so it must be right and proper. That is actually becoming one of the most annoying things in this forum. I reckon if Poch went and sold half the team or started playing Sissoko up front then you'd still have people on here saying it can't possibly be wrong because it's Poch.

It's an interesting take that is for sure.

City eh? Just imagine if we had their budget for footballers. Poch could probably make your visions into a reality.

Edit: Just wanted to add the bit in bold - I think you're tilting at windmills here, tone it down a bit.

 

[Streetspur77]

Might as well pack the forum in. Sounds like the only member should be Mauricio Pochettino.

I don't think it's arrogance at all, in fact I think those who agree with him no matter what are dumb. Do not forget, this is the guy who wanted Moussa Sissoko. We don't think Poch is some fucking moron, we just don't think he's perfect and there's areas for improvement.

As for the specifics behind the midfield stuff. There's a clear reason for his midfield choices and our tactics. Poch wants safety first, he wants the midfield to keep the ball and not give it away presumably to minimise counter attacking opportunities. That is evident when you watch us play.Keep possession, keep things solid, and eventually Eriksen/Alli will get on the ball and create something seems to be what he wants.

I happen to disagree with that because I think you can have your cake and eat it like Guardiola's City do. They keep the ball but they play it forward too. With the right personnel, there's absolutely no reason why we can't do that too and the benefits of doing so are there for all to see, breaking down the anti-football sides and the bus parkers with sharp passing and more spaces for Alli and Eriksen to do damage. It's also better against pressing teams because you have players who don't fucking shit themselves when pressed, they actually beat it with one incisive pass or quick turn. I also think playing in this way with more technical midfield players is conducive to an attractive style of football in my opinion.

Instead of coming up with rational counter arguments people are just saying Poch is doing it so it must be right and proper. That is actually becoming one of the most annoying things in this forum. I reckon if Poch went and sold half the team or started playing Sissoko up front then you'd still have people on here saying it can't possibly be wrong because it's Poch.

You must not have read the first paragraph? I literally said anyone can say what they want, I don’t think people have the right to be arrogant though. The arrogance comes in the “I just can’t understand why poch doesn’t see it, why isn’t he playing like city eurgh I watch city highlights every week why don’t we just play like them ffs”

Do you not think poch has spent time looking at city and seeing if we can implement anything they do here? It’s his literal job, his life is based around choosing the best set up for us, he’s not just thinking during his lunch break about what team he’d like us to play like and what player he’d seen was good on FIFA this year.

It’s about trusting poch because he’s got us here and he’s constantly proved people like you wrong. If he sold half our team and played sissoko up front I’d be worried he’d had a kind of mental breakdown, don’t really see that’s comparable to signing a player that Wiganspur on SC doesn’t think is right for our team, from his once a week watching us play.

And the reason no one offers rational counter points is because none of us fucking know about football, if we had opinions actually worth listening to we wouldn’t we writing them on a forum. I can’t offer a counter argument to why poch isn’t signing the exact players you want because I don’t understand the complexities of management/our squad and neither do you.

 

[Cee_Bee]

FFS the reaction to some of these players interesting us from some of you is embarrassing. he is an option at the moment nothing more than that, and should he come it will be because Poch has given it the green light..

Honestly if all you only ever want to hear is good news, or you are too emotionally vulnerable to deal with hearing stuff you don't like or agree with, YOU ARE IN THE WRONG FUCKING PLACE.

I'm all for criticising Levy/Poch/the players, when they have fucked up, but as it stands all we are is looking at him. You wouldn't get that from reading some of the replies in here though.

Mate I couldn't agree more. If he's good enough for a Barca, that says something. Also, we're now in a realm where are and can be linked with players from some of the best teams in the world...let's think about.

We can actually buy players from BARCA, REAL or MAN YOO. Just let that sink in before we react to these potentials.

 

[Ekmek]

Mate I couldn't agree more. If he's good enough for a Barca, that says something. Also, we're now in a realm where are and can be linked with players from some of the best teams in the world...let's think about.

We can actually buy players from BARCA, REAL or MAN YOO. Just let that sink in before we react to these potentials.

Giovanni Dos Santos says hi

 

[Hoopspur]

The problem with the arguments going on is the type of player for the system. Gomes is clearly a technically good player but will dictate to a certain extent the way we play. That’s where the problem comes when calling out Poch. It’s not really the quality of the player but the potential formation this will lead to. Don’t think I’m getting my point across well.

 

[Hoopspur]

Giovanni Dos Santos says hi

Yawn. There’s a number of potentially good players that have left there as youngsters because they are not quite good enough. All the time actually. Difference is that Gomes was brought in as a potential starter.

 

[Tyler24durden]

I would prefer Grealish to this lad personally but of course we should be considering all our options.

 

[WiganSpur]

You must not have read the first paragraph? I literally said anyone can say what they want, I don’t think people have the right to be arrogant though. The arrogance comes in the “I just can’t understand why poch doesn’t see it, why isn’t he playing like city eurgh I watch city highlights every week why don’t we just play like them ffs”

Do you not think poch has spent time looking at city and seeing if we can implement anything they do here? It’s his literal job, his life is based around choosing the best set up for us, he’s not just thinking during his lunch break about what team he’d like us to play like and what player he’d seen was good on FIFA this year.

It’s about trusting poch because he’s got us here and he’s constantly proved people like you wrong. If he sold half our team and played sissoko up front I’d be worried he’d had a kind of mental breakdown, don’t really see that’s comparable to signing a player that Wiganspur on SC doesn’t think is right for our team, from his once a week watching us play.

And the reason no one offers rational counter points is because none of us fucking know about football, if we had opinions actually worth listening to we wouldn’t we writing them on a forum. I can’t offer a counter argument to why poch isn’t signing the exact players you want because I don’t understand the complexities of management/our squad and neither do you.

Don't get me wrong I hear what you are saying and you usually post with consideration but I think you are wrong about your point on arrogance. We are not making these arguments out of arrogance, it's just frustration as us fans naturally want the team to be the best they can be. We finished 3rd again so obviously most of the components of the team are working exceptionally well, but there are obviously areas for improvement based on what we saw last season.

The reason I mentioned Sissoko going up front is to take the argument to the extreme. Where do we draw the line on trusting Poch and him being wrong about something is what i'm saying? Surely you'd have your own thoughts on the matter. If we're going to base that on the results he's got so far then fair enough, but we haven't won the league at a canter with champagne football have we, so he's not perfect.

 

[Nerine]

The acceptance is starting to set in.
Soon everyone will be all for signing this guy because "it's a signing".

 

[WiganSpur]

The acceptance is starting to set in.
Soon everyone will be all for signing this guy because "it's a signing".

Whether his overall level of quality is good enough for us very much remains to be seen, but at least he's the right kind of player. We have a midfield currently lacking in technical ability. I'd much rather have him than Barrios when we've already got Wanyama and Dier.

 

[yido_number1]

I would prefer Grealish to this lad personally but of course we should be considering all our options.

I think grealish is for further forward. This is to replace dembele.

 

[punkisback]

On the whole this is absolutely true, but I think many are frustrated with our failures in the transfer market since we began to qualify for the CL. In that time the only players we've bought who have been unquestioned successes have been Wanyama and Sanchez, though the jury is still out on Lucas (where the early signs are good) and Aurier (where, well... not so much).

We haven't signed a single attacking player or non-defensive midfielder who has come in and made a major impact in years since we have been CL regulars (though again I have hopes for Lucas), and there's a feeling that the squad has stagnated compared to our rivals. We've reached a point where our first XI is of a standard that it is very difficult to improve upon within our financial constraints, which I think is why we have found it so difficult to do successful business in recent windows. The most obvious place within the first team where we should be able to bring in a player who can slot right in is central midfield, so to see us linked with the likes of Barrios and Gomes is just compounding years of frustration for many of us.

(Post edited for clarity)

I agree completely, it feels like since we've qualified for the CL we usually sign 3-4 players each year and only one of them is an improvement on the first team.

 

[wirE]

There's a player in there. He was being chased by Juventus, Madrid, United, etc. 2 seasons ago. He has went from 30+ appearances in La Liga to only 16 this last year. He could become better with some confidence and playing time. If anyone can pull that player out of him that was present at Valencia, it is Poch.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/4mi00w/manchester_united_have_bid_45m_15m_add_ons_to/

FFS, he even transitioned his team well against Madrid while being managed by GARY NEVILLE


I don't think he's perfect but it's not all doom and gloom to sign him. It seems as though the club have not identified CM as a priority (seems to be a wide forward); he is at least a player of whom we don't have similar to.

Looking at Paulinho i.e. he didn't pan out the way we thought after his WC display. Went on to China and ended up at Barcelona. Andre Gomes were really good at Valencia but failed to make an impact at Barcelona. Still young and the talent is there. I'd take a shot at him. We need to stop with the "He's not good enough and he's not spurs material" about players we don't rate because they're not Messi or Bale...

 

[worcestersauce]

He's Portuguese so it's pronounced Gomesh right?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

He's Portuguese so it's pronounced Gomesh right?

No it’s prounounced Guamosh

 

[Lemon]

He's Portuguese so it's pronounced Gomesh right?

Martin Jol would pronounce it that way. That's for sure.

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

I don’t know much about him but would echo some of the sentiments in here. Is there no chance he could be a very smart reclamation project ? He must have shown something at Valencia and he seems to be a CM with progressive passing like most of us are calling out for.

 

[Japhet]

I don’t know much about him but would echo some of the sentiments in here. Is there no chance he could be a very smart reclamation project ? He must have shown something at Valencia and he seems to be a CM with progressive passing like most of us are calling out for.

The big risk is whether he can recapture the form that got him his barca move and start to enjoy playing again. It seems obvious to me that CM is where we really need to sort things out and not be taking chances. We did this with Aurier last season and it hasn't been very successful. I'm sure Gomes has plenty to offer but not sure that we can unlock it. As with other players linked though, if it's cheap enough it mitigates the risk.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

The Gomes of Valencia would walk into our midfield, question is whether that player still exists or if two years of being played irregularly and out of position at Barca has killed him.

More vision and awareness than any of our current CMs and more technique than all bar Dembele. Would rather watch him as our more attacking CM than either Sissoko or Winks.